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Quoting my own post to clarify another stupid statement I made. BBM What I meant was not much of a time difference between when she was "found" and the time listed. I still don't see how that could be listed as TOD when the ME said her TOD was 10 - 12 hours before she was found. This "13:23"...

My mistake as well. I never was good with military time. :blushing: LOL That would be 11:23 AM, yes. He "found" her at approx. 1:04 pm IIRC, but did make the statement to JAR & MR's fiance that he found her at about 11:00 am. That discrepency has been debated for some time. But "officially"...

If you notice the D/T is 13:23 12/26/96 not 12/25. Not possible that this is actual TOD since she was "found" about 10 1/2 hrs earlier. Also they could never pinpoint TOD to the minute like that.

Maybe. Maybe not. If she were never found, or found weeks or months later, they would only be able to estimate TOD to within a day or two. It all depends on how long until she was found.

ITA dodie! Funny, my line of work involves the very thing you speak of and that's the first thing I thought of when I saw the diagrams of the layout! Too many small, broken up rooms. It makes the whole basement feel chopped up and uninviting! Open it up and incorporate the WC into the rest...

BBM Yes! I do believe Patsy was douching her, and it was because of the abuse. This probably added to her infections instead of preventing them, but I think PR would have seen it as "washing away the abuse". She probably saw JB as being "dirty" and needed to make her "perfect" & "clean"...

CBM Seriously? And they wonder why the place won't sell? Why didn't they just say, "wine cellar where one of the most notorious murders in US history took place"? Plus the asking price was more than twice what any home in the neighborhood is valued.

I think JR admires HIMSELF! He thinks he's so clever because he's gotten away with it all these years. He's so arrogant he thinks he's smarter than everyone else and no one will ever figure it out.

ITA wengr! Why leave a RN and JB? It's JMO, but it seems so obvious to me that the note was written with the intention of removing her from the house. There is just no other reason to write it. No body being found is the best chance to get away with murder. No body = no evidence. I can...

FWIW Boulder Canyon is less than 5 minutes from the R's house. There are numerous places to pull over throughout the canyon where you can get out of the car and just take off up the mountain side. This is very rugged territory. There are some houses and lodges but the farther from town you...

I was referring to the US justice system, not the history of the world. Leopold & Loeb would be a good example. They were both very wealthy and even had Clarence Darrow as defense attorney, but they both went to prison.

I most certainly understand and agee that trials have nothing to do with the truth. Sad isn't it? It's even sadder that money can be the deciding factor in a guilty person going free or an innocent person going to prison. I know it wasn't always this way, and I'm very sorry that it has been...

I have to disagree with you about LA. I will admit, she comes off as a bit "intense" I guess is the best word I can use. Still, she was the one there observing behavior. As you have said yourself, we have to trust our instincts. I think that is exactly what she was doing. I don't believe she...

ITA that their attorneys were treating them as defendants. Are you saying that you think their own attorneys thought they were guilty or that they thought BPD was going to railroad them? Says a lot when your own attorneys think you are so obviously guilty that you will eventually go from being a...

BBM Isn't that interesting. He lawyered up all of HIS family, even his ex wife, but not Patsy's family. That tells me that he was far more worried about himself, and what ugly truths might possibly come out about him, than he was about Patsy. And yes, you're right about how differently it's...

ITA madeleine! Their words and their actions do not match. If I had lost two children the way they did I would be sure it was God's punishment for some sin in my life. That thought never seems to cross their minds. JR & PR both seem to bring their Christianity up when it's convienent for...

Intersting....the interviewer states that hundreds if not thousands of children are killed in this country and across the world every year, JR & PR nodding the whole time. Then he says "often by family members" and the nodding stops abruptly! Later JR says "We are very comfortable being...

Anyone think there is a chance that LHP's book is going to be published now? I'd love to hear what she has to say. She truly was a "fly on the wall" in that house, and I'll bet she has tons of juicy details about what REALLY went on when they weren't putting on their "we're the perfect...