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  1. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/postmortem-interval/ here is some info you might find useful as far as rigor and lividity goes. It breaks things down pretty understandably. Hope it helps!
  2. carillion

    Random things about this case...

    It might be possible to obtain owner information from the tax assessor's office or the Arkansas Dept of Revenue. Google used to have a tool that could convert info from Google earth into a physical address ( at least I think it was Google) but I am not sure how accurate it was or even if it is...
  3. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    Interesting to note that if the secondary lividity is, in fact, from the move onto the bank, that could move the TOD up to early morning. As I said, establishing TOD by lividity alone is bad form, but it does play he'll with the timeline theory of death on the 5th and discovery in the afternoon...
  4. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    Liver mortis can begin showing within 2 hours for up to 24 hours. The simplest "guesstimate" Method is by assessing the color. Lividity starts generally as a reddish color and the longer it "fixes" the more it tends to darken towards purple. Lividity alone is a bad way to assign TOD, but it...
  5. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    I didn't want to derail another thread so I am moving out to this one. There was no core temperature taken off the bodies, no ambient water temperature recorded, contradiction in the state of lividity (fixed with blanching??? If it blanches, it isn't fixed.) and disparity between Hale and...
  6. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    I wonder if anyone took the water temperature? if they knew the water low temp over that night, and the core temps of the victims, they would stand a much better chance of establishing a better TOD. The killers decision to put these kids in the water was the single smartest thing to evade...
  7. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    It's happened in this case, so I definitely wouldn't rule it out. Another thought that might go along with it is that someone who doesn't even know the family witnessed the spanking or punishment, and used it as an excuse. Far fetched as it is, son of sam claimed the neighbor's dog told him to...
  8. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    I have studied a lot of Wiccan texts, as well as texts of ceremonial witchcraft, and I have never seen this type of binding used, so I am with you. Whatever it is, I don't think it is ritual based. Lunatic based, yes, but that's a totally different story.
  9. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    I think if it ISN"T a government scandal, it should be!
  10. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    Miranda thanks for clearing that up. I suppose I too didn't make clear that I wasn't proclaiming his guilt. There are many things about this case that bug me, not the least of which is the "selective" police work done (like not interviewing all people in each house the boys came from as the tip...
  11. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    An undetermined cause of death is actually not all that strange. There are always deaths that the exact cause cant' be determined. I don't know how honest and accurate JMB was about her past drug use/addiction problems, but that could certainly be a contributing factor, even if she had been...
  12. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    I know I am overlooking it, but what was the strand of "fabric-like" material in MJM's hand linked to?
  13. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    It seems the WMPD were experts at leading the people they were interviewing down the path they wanted them to go, so this wouldn't surprise me at all. I can't focus much on the lies JMB has been caught in since then, because, good grief, it seems everyone was lying about something there, but if...
  14. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    Thank you everyone. I sincerely had not intended to offend anyone with my post!
  15. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    **poking toes in to test the water again** After reading and rereading and rereading the autopsy reports, I believe that CB, while fatally wounded and almost deceased at that time, was most likely experiencing stridor breathing when he was put into that ditch. His lungs did show slight amounts...
  16. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    Ok, all I said was that his wording bothered me a bit. I never said he was or was not guilty, used strong language, harsh wording or anything else. While I appreciate your clarification that you were just venting, I found your reaction to my paltry 5 sentences a bit over the top. I didn't...
  17. carillion

    Viable Suspect: John Mark Byers

    One thing bothers me about JMB. I think it was in paradise lost 2 that they showed a clip of him where he said something about anyone helping them to RECOVER their missing children. Not find them, but recover. I dunno, that just kinda sticks in my head. It bugs me a bit.
  18. carillion

    What Do the Bodies Tell Us?

    Ok, I am pretty new to the forums, but have followed the case off and on for years. Bear with me while I try to put my thoughts into words! Here is what the bodies tell me... All three boys were in the 50-60 pound range. This seems light but carrying 55 pounds of weight suspended from shoe laces...
  19. carillion

    Viable suspect: Terry Hobbs #1

    Well it ate my post. New sleuth here. Hi everyone! I have always wondered about TH as a suspect. It seems I remember years ago reading that he had bragged that WMPD would protect him because they were using him to bust drug dealers which was more important than Satan worshippers. Were the 80's...

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