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For others looking, it's *Star* Valley. I don't see what the charges are. https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Both *arrested* for traffic violations? That's pretty serious. Does clicking on the case numbers bring up the charges? Convictions? That video of Devonte dancing is heart-breaking. His belly! :(

Thank you for that update. I could not believe that the authorities would already have cremated the remains. I would have thought that forensics would still be ongoing at this point, especially with two of the children's bodies still missing. I wonder if there was any truth to Nusheen's...

I think this is the point. Enforcing a veg*n diet on a group of people (in this case, 6 children) without regard for whether it works for them could result in nutritional deficiencies and growth-stunting even if they're not being starved (although in this case, we do also know that they were...

Quite true, of course. But many give details that make it clear whether they consider themselves male or female.

This quote made me think of something I've been wondering for a while ... why are there almost no men on this board discussing this case? Are there many men on WS in general? It strikes me as very odd.

WOW, you're right. When Abigail described "grounding" to CPS, she told them it meant staying in bed all day and missing lunch. I bet you're right that not even "staying in bed" had its normal meaning in this twisted disciplinary system. It probably meant the same thing it meant in 2013 when...

Alexandra Argyropolous said that she was the one who pointed out that the Harts had lived in MN previously. I don't know why OR CPS wasn't going to ask about previous residences themselves. And when I read the summary of the OR CPS case, I'm fairly certain I saw that the doctor was the Harts'...

How would this be handled in a court of law? What I mean is, let's say they had been charged with (whatever is the right charge for feeding the children way too little), and were in a trial. The prosecution would bring forward the friends as witnesses. The friends would describe the many...

The post showcasing the bloody tooth is bizarre enough even with the made-up explanation that I would have considered Jen a bizarre person for it alone. It's just weird. It would have raised my eyebrow.

Totally. My initial image, and what I still think most likely, was of Jen pushing Hannah in anger and her landing against a corner or counter, knocking the teeth out. Really not that hard to do. I think the possibility that malnutrition did it, or played a role in the tooth being knocked out...

Didn't the doctor say to schedule a follow-up in 6 months? Did that happen? Did CPS have the obligation to require the results of that follow-up appointment? Excellent discussion. Whatever precautions exist, parents accused do not have the standard Constitutional protections of the...

gitana1, the story where Hannah said "yes, ma'am" while hiding between the furniture in the upstairs bedroom at the Dekalb's was told by Dana Dekalb on Dr. Oz. I think it's logical deduction. If Texas was checking regularly on the kids they were paying monthly for, they would have found the...

mtnlites, you said you have some mutual friends with the Harts, right? Do you have any insights on their responses since last night's news came out?

This is where the problem is. As long as you're getting a subsidy check, you're not "just like every other family." As long as a state is giving taxpayer money for the adoption, then it has an obligation to the taxpayers to make sure those children are better off than before the adoption. And...

I'm curious what you mean by "ran out of time." IIRC, they closed the report in 5 days, and the family lived in OR for another 3 years. I would like to know why OR sought the MN history, but WA didn't seek prior history. I saw somewhere that OR looked to MN because one of the friends who...

Well it's not too hard to see why Oregon CPS tried to keep this report sealed under "privacy concerns." It certainly doesn't make their judgment look very good. Obviously what was reported by Alexandra was concerning, but I can understand them saying it wasn't necessarily abuse, BUT - they knew...

Homeschooling and being a SAHM doesn't mean you never leave (as a previous commenter, not you, implied), and it doesn't necessarily mean you don't work. You might have a part-time or free-lance job, for instance. But also, the report may have been wrong about why she was gone. After all, CPS...

http://www.koin.com/news/oregon/oregon-cps-knew-of-hart-family-abuse-allegations-in-mn/1136220858 "While details were released from Washington and Minnesota regarding those states' child-abuse investigations, Oregon DHS initially claimed the investigation records were exempt from disclosure...

I wonder if they just had no idea how kids really behave, and really thought everything they did bad must be b/c of their "drug background," because after all, "We're parenting them perfect so it can't be our fault that they're so disobedient!" Or maybe they didn't really think that, but it was...