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mandy.maree said:
Maybe further up the road someone saw her talking to a Holden Commodore but aren't sure what she was wearing or had inaccurate description of her so can't be confirmed sighting.
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IMO, the lesson from this discussion,
is that just because someone goes public as being a witness,
and the Police let it be known that there were 3 witnesses to events leading up to CG's disappearance that night,
does not mean that there were no other witnesses to around that time and place that night.
Including witnesses who long ago or more recently came forwards to provide their recollection to WAPOL.
With WAPOL under no obligation to provide their witness evidence, except, to some degree, when it comes to a court case regarding CG.

Is the prosecution under any legal requirement to ensure that in a case like the one BRE is charged with regarding CG,
to bring all these witnesses to court?

Can the defence demand that the Prosecution and/or WAPOL provide it with information on every claimed witness to certain events.
Without the defence actually knowing who these claimed witnesses are, or whether there any claimed witnesses at all?
With the information including the last known contact details and other information that they can use to contact those witnesses to see if they can be used to assist in the defence case?

Someone with some appropriate legal knowledge help me out here please.
 
Molly Dooker said:
I'm trying to read between your lines...



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I just mean that the people who drove past SS for example,had a feeling that something was up (car behind them slowed down near her-never made it to the intersection ) and they thought they should go back to check she was okay.

Its not often people would say that aloud. No one had even gone missing at that point and she was in a well lit area.

They got the intuition something felt wrong. Seems to come out a bit in these types of situations. I think they should have trusted that as they were probably correct.

Just like the people in bus stop who said they believed a girl was going to go missing that night...then see CG not long after and even note the car slowing near her.

They were meant to notice these things it seems.
Kind of near the lines of crazy talk but seems something tries to help catch these people up to no good by making people notice things they usually would not.

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b4u said:
IMO, the lesson from this discussion,
is that just because someone goes public as being a witness,
and the Police let it be known that there were 3 witnesses to events leading up to CG's disappearance that night,
does not mean that there were no other witnesses to around that time and place that night.
Including witnesses who long ago or more recently came forwards to provide their recollection to WAPOL.
With WAPOL under no obligation to provide their witness evidence, except, to some degree, when it comes to a court case regarding CG.

Is the prosecution under any legal requirement to ensure that in a case like the one BRE is charged with regarding CG,
to bring all these witnesses to court?

Can the defence demand that the Prosecution and/or WAPOL provide it with information on every claimed witness to certain events.
Without the defence actually knowing who these claimed witnesses are, or whether there any claimed witnesses at all?
With the information including the last known contact details and other information that they can use to contact those witnesses to see if they can be used to assist in the defence case?

Someone with some appropriate legal knowledge help me out here please.
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A list of witnesses is provided to the defence.
See Practice Direction 2/2008 for Disclosure/Committal Hearings
http://www.magistratescourt.wa.gov.au/P/practice_directions.aspx?uid=3048-0483-5904-9292
and S42 Criminal Procedures Act
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/cpa2004188/s42.html

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Moustachio said:
Actually, this is, respectfully, a very good example of confirmation bias IMO.

The FB comment - 'must have been a naughty boy ...' - was BRE to the brother, to which TE says: 'not as naughty as you.'

If you are right that that was a 'hint', it must mean that TE was in on it.

The Clown stuff looks sinister now, but, as someone pointed out, it was viral. People were doing it all over the world. Even here in Perth, according to the news.

But does that mean the Yoda stuff is also some sort of secret message?

IMO, no, it's just probably a pretty dim middle-aged man's interests being reflected.
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I tend to totally agree. Some of my FB posts might seem very dubious to some people, but I do have a different sense of humour to the mainstream.

IMO If BRE has any brains and he was that way inclined to surf the darker web and hide the fact, he would have set up two FB accounts, a public/family one and a private one. It's always been easy to create bogus FB and email addresses.
I just hope LE does lots of forensic work on his computer and internet accounts.
 
Falco120 said:
I tend to totally agree. Some of my FB posts might seem very dubious to some people, but I do have a different sense of humour to the mainstream.

IMO If BRE has any brains and he was that way inclined to surf the darker web and hide the fact, he would have set up two FB accounts, a public/family one and a private one. It's always been easy to create bogus FB and email addresses.
I just hope LE does lots of forensic work on his computer and internet accounts.
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BBM

I agree. I'm sure he'd have bogus accounts set up.

Does anyone know if prisoners have access to the internet in Hakea? (apologies if this has already been covered!!)
 
Falco120 said:
If SS was in a shallow grave in bushland and therefore she's been there for 20 years. What would happen to the body if a bush fire had gone through? Would there be anything left?
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I don't think this question was answered. I'm pretty curious about this too so reposting it incase anyone can help?
 
Moustachio said:
Actually, this is, respectfully, a very good example of confirmation bias IMO.

The FB comment - 'must have been a naughty boy ...' - was BRE to the brother, to which TE says: 'not as naughty as you.'

If you are right that that was a 'hint', it must mean that TE was in on it.

The Clown stuff looks sinister now, but, as someone pointed out, it was viral. People were doing it all over the world. Even here in Perth, according to the news.

But does that mean the Yoda stuff is also some sort of secret message?

IMO, no, it's just probably a pretty dim middle-aged man's interests being reflected.
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Would just like to say-it was not TE that made that comment.

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Yes - prosecution has an obligation to bring all eye-witnesses to court if possible

Yes - defence is entitled to all witness statements

Am actually not sure how they protect witness's addresses, but I do know they are not allowed to tell witnesses not​ to speak with the defence
 
mandy.maree said:
Would just like to say-it was not TE that made that comment.

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TE = brother

You can’t see it anymore because TE has de-friended BRE, but prior to that you could see who he was responding to ...
 
Moustachio said:
TE = brother

You can’t see it anymore because TE has de-friended BRE, but prior to that you could see who he was responding to ...
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You can probably still see it. It was on TE facebook.
Someone else commented it after the arrest

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Falco120 said:
I tend to totally agree. Some of my FB posts might seem very dubious to some people, but I do have a different sense of humour to the mainstream.

IMO If BRE has any brains and he was that way inclined to surf the darker web and hide the fact, he would have set up two FB accounts, a public/family one and a private one. It's always been easy to create bogus FB and email addresses.
I just hope LE does lots of forensic work on his computer and internet accounts.
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We all have an online persona and for myself I keep my FB very pleasant due to my work contacts and professional reputation.

Lets consider the professional reputation of the accused BRE - In addition to being a long-term employee of Telstra in a reasonably professional capacity; BRE was a also former president of the Belmont Little Athletics Club, volunteer official at Kewdale Little Athletics Club and recipient of a 10 year award - awarded by a Member of Parliament at the time.

This volunteer work involves contact with children, parents of children, other officials and colleagues.

One would think that BRE would not jeopardise the public opinion of himself by posting a murdering clown as his FB cover photo. It is possible that BRE was unravelling?

IMO, the posting of the clown was quite a reckless action which could very well have affected his professional image. (as the video of the clown is very difficult to watch to the end).

In the event that BRE is indeed found guilty of committing the alleged offences of abduction, rape and murder, the murdering clown should be considered in a completely different context and that the clown was perhaps placed with intent (IMO).

I am sure there is some good forensic work going on in regards to other online activity.

EDIT - link below
http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...n/news-story/182cde6ee9022a03a731d77dac9af08d
 
Falco120 said:
That's interesting. I've always have this theory, (and I'm not a psychologist), that sexual deviants watch *advertiser censored* movies and try to act them out in real life. Or they believe what they see in a *advertiser censored* might happen to them in real life. Just putting that out there.
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Yes agreed.
IMO, I think easy access to internet *advertiser censored* has definitely distorted present day mainstream views of sex, sexual practices and attributes of sexual partners. Probably some good research out there that confirms this too.

20-30 years ago *advertiser censored* existed mainly in magazines and I'm guessing in VHS videos - but definitely harder to obtain. Was is true, or an urban myth that most teenage boys had *advertiser censored* mags hidden under their mattress?

Possibly the alleged CSK BRE had *advertiser censored* interests from early days during highschool?
 
b4u said:
The IRC (Internet Relay Client)
Efnet, Dalnet, and Undernet servers (had to refer to below link to get these names I had long forgotten),
each had hundreds of channels (chat rooms) you could enter using an anonymous nickname.

No doubt there were other servers and channels being used for some really unsavoury and criminal activity in Perth in the mid-late 90's., other than the savoury ones I used to frequent for socialising, and made a few friends through.

https://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html
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I can confirm there were some unsavoury sites back then in the chat rooms. I came across a chat room called children of the 70s I think, and as I was a child in the 70s thought I'd take a look. Found a whole lot of kiddie *advertiser censored*, so I reported it. This would have been around about 96. Can't believe that's 20 years ago now. Apologies if this is off topic.
 
MsAnais said:
BBM

I agree. I'm sure he'd have bogus accounts set up.

Does anyone know if prisoners have access to the internet in Hakea? (apologies if this has already been covered!!)
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I could only find this

http://www.correctiveservices.wa.gov.au/prisons/adult-custodial-rules/policy-directives.aspx

and details of what Prison security has access to in this
http://www.correctiveservices.wa.go...rules/policy-directives/pd-42-appendix-02.pdf

But I don't think it's for prisoner's on remand. Unless one of them is lurking on this thread and can tell us?
 
MsAnais said:
BBM

I agree. I'm sure he'd have bogus accounts set up.

Does anyone know if prisoners have access to the internet in Hakea? (apologies if this has already been covered!!)
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as far as i am aware there is no internet access to any of the prisoners while in prison, if they go to gray lands hospital that is a different story, they have access to internet and phones there and don't have to get permission to call anyone, as I received prank phone calls from a prisoner that was in gray lands and also a disturbing emails from him also.
 
Moustachio said:
Yes - prosecution has an obligation to bring all eye-witnesses to court if possible

Yes - defence is entitled to all witness statements

Am actually not sure how they protect witness's addresses, but I do know they are not allowed to tell witnesses not​ to speak with the defence
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So there is no get out of being a witness in court for self claimed witness Frankie1972?

Even if both the prosecution and defence, would rather he not be used as a witness at the trial, because he was either too drunk, too unreliable, or compromised from subsequently claiming to have befriended the accuseds brother BRE?


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Moustachio said:
Yes - prosecution has an obligation to bring all eye-witnesses to court if possible

Yes - defence is entitled to all witness statements

Am actually not sure how they protect witness's addresses, but I do know they are not allowed to tell witnesses not​ to speak with the defence
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The police can write the address of the case officer's police station in place of the witnesses actual address to protect witnesses security if there's any concern according if you follow the links in those pages I previously posted
 
Moustachio said:
TE = brother

You can’t see it anymore because TE has de-friended BRE, but prior to that you could see who he was responding to ...
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That is incorrect. The "not as bad as you" comment was made by a random person from Pennsylvania. Its still on TE's Facebook.
 
Someone very close to me spent time at Hakea then Acacia, and to my knowledge, had no internet access, if that helps.
 
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