“the person in my daughter’s car was not my granddaughter!”

[RoseRed]

What he actually said was "the person in my granddaughter's car is not my granddaughter."

NG has been running & re-running this video clip of GA saying that all along, as late as last night's show. I think the statement speaks to GA's utter emotional pain & anguish more than anything else. Granddaughter missing, daughter looking suspiciously like the murderer, most of America already believing the baby is dead & Mommy is the killer, the media constantly talking about decomp in the car, sticking a mike in his face, "Waddya think, George, about the decomp in the car, George?" The media, the protesters & the looky-loos camped out on his lawn every single day for weeks on end --- etc., etc. ...

George is living in a nightmare from hell. I don't think his statement reflects much of anything but pain.

Thanks,
Soulscape

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Anais]

IMO regardless of the fact that GA is grieving, and although it's a given that he's under tremenous emotional stress that statement speaks volumes. Regardless of all of the said factors above he is acknowledging that there was a decomposing person in the trunk of that car. That sends a very clear message!

It is said that people speak very honestly in times of duress. I think that GA is very clearly in denial that it was his granddaughter Caylee in the trunk of that car.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Dontcha just hate it, when people put dead bodies and chloroform in the trunk of your car? Impound lots really SHOULD have better security!;-)

Well, I overlooked it the first time, but the next few times it happened, I was very irritated. :crazy: Now it's happening to others!

I do agree the man must have been shell-shocked and grief-stricken. In the beginning, I truly believe Cindy was too. Her 911 call was especially telling in numerous ways. She didn't know what happened to Caylee, and she DID smell that decomposing smell in the car. Not only that, she wanted Casey arrested for stealing her car.

 

[belleyes]

Oh he's acknowledged in his mind there was a body decomposing in that car since the day he picked it up from the impound. IMO.

They want to excuse it away right now because the truth is too hard to grasp. It will be easier on them to accept (true or not) that someone other than Casey is responsible for Caylee's death.

Cindy made a slip up on one of her media eruptions for us to leave them alone and let them "grieve"... I caught that right away. They've accepted that Caylee is gone, they just can't accept that Casey did it. IMO

I agree, I noticed the grieve comment too, but started thinking I was "over analyzing again" (as DH would tell me)

ETA: I cant understand why GA used this statement to excuse his DD, because having a "body" (stranger or relative) in your trunk is not innocent behavior

 

[tekilla]

I hope no one bites my head off but, I have a question since we are talking about the car and the decomp smell. It has been reported repeatedly that the air was filled with chloroform in that car. So how did George drive that car home and not pass out? I know it was stated the windows were down. But still if the chloroform was that bad wouldn't he have noticed?

 

[TxLady2]

What he actually said was "the person in my granddaughter's car is not my granddaughter."

NG has been running & re-running this video clip of GA saying that all along, as late as last night's show. I think the statement speaks to GA's utter emotional pain & anguish more than anything else. Granddaughter missing, daughter looking suspiciously like the murderer, most of America already believing the baby is dead & Mommy is the killer, the media constantly talking about decomp in the car, sticking a mike in his face, "Waddya think, George, about the decomp in the car, George?" The media, the protesters & the looky-loos camped out on his lawn every single day for weeks on end --- etc., etc. ...

George is living in a nightmare from hell. I don't think his statement reflects much of anything but pain.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I agree, he is not in control of his emotions... I don't think he and Cindy can now deny that there was a decomposing body in the trunk... but they refuse to believe that it was Caylee. The horror of that is just unthinkable. I cannot begin to imagine the nightmare they are going through... but I know I would want to know the truth... and it appears that they can't accept it.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

This statement has bothered me since the day GA stated this on camera. All along we have heard "old pizza" from the Anthony's. GA being ex-LE, this statement concerns me. If it wasn't his granddaughter, then who was it? He says, "the person". Not "the smell" or "there was no body". This tells me, he knows that there WAS decomp in that car and not from an animal. Sorry if this has been discussed somewhere in the threads. I just can't shake that statement out of my head. I know this may not called a freudian slip, but it seems he acknowledged that a body was there. Just wondering how any others feel about this statement. I truly feel the GP's are in thier own private Hades right now, but I don't understand with facts that have emerged how they can still hold faith and belief in Casey. I try to think that maybe they feel they HAVE to be on Casey's side, in order to find the truth about Caylee.

YES...me too..thought alot about that ever since I heard it. He sounded completely sure didn't he? I believe casey has told them a story about some bad people that she got involved with who took the child. I believe she told them some story about them killing someone else and transporting them in the trunk. this would justify (in their minds) why she was afraid to report the child missing as supposedly these people said they would kill Caylee also. The only amazing thing to me is how these people could still be in such denial while already knowing (plus everything recent that's come out about her lying) what a pathological liar she is!

 

[servingothers]

Yes, that statement made by George about the body not being Casey's has indeed bothered me. We must remember that there are things out there unknown to us. Maybe he knows something. Maybe he is just wishful thinking. Time will tell all.

Yes, we must remember the pain these people are suffering and remember that a lot of the denial is not so much about Casey but about not wanting to believe something has happened to Caylee. Until a body is found, they will hope against hope. That is how they are surviving. We must not lose focus on the fact that these people are indeed hurting. We shouldn't be adding to that pain. Playing the blame game gets us nowhere. We must focus on finding Caylee----dead or alive. That is the only way this family and this community can move on.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I hope no one bites my head off but, I have a question since we are talking about the car and the decomp smell. It has been reported repeatedly that the air was filled with chloroform in that car. So how did George drive that car home and not pass out? I know it was stated the windows were down. But still if the chloroform was that bad wouldn't he have noticed?

The chloroform odor was probably moreso in the trunk than it was inside the car, and with the decomposition smell permeating the air, who would have noticed the chloroform? Decay smells far, far worse than anything else. Let's remember, Cindy commented about the dead body, not the chloroform, so I tend to think their senses were drawn to the composition more than anything.

 

[MomOfECS]

What got me about George's statement was that he said.. "you don't understand".. before he made the statement about the body.. I would think that a person in denial would just say.. that wasn't my grand-daughters body in the car. To me when he said "you don't understand" he is saying that there is more to the story. I hope this makes sense.

 

[nursebeeme]

Ihoo I think it is, as a NG talking head said it best, pathological denial. He doesn't want it to be his grandchild....and who would?

~snip~

What are psychological defense mechanisms?
They are psychological strategies used individuals (and by extension--groups of indidivuals and even entire nations at times) to cope with reality and to maintain his/her self -image intact.

A healthy person will use many different defenses throughout life. A defense mechanism becomes pathological when it is used persistantly and leads to maladaptive behavior that will eventually threaten the physical and/or mental health of the individual. Having said that, there are psychological defenses that are:
1) almost always pathological - when they prevent the individual from being able to cope with a real threat and obscure his/her ability to perceive reality;
2) immature - used in childhood and adolescence, but mostly abandoned by adulthood, since they lead to socially unacceptable behavior and/or prevent the adult from optimal coping with reality;
3) neurotic - common in everyone, but clearly not optimal for coping with reality since they lead to problems in relationships; work; and problems in enjoying life; and finally,
4) mature defense mechanisms - used by "healthy" adults, they optimize one's ability to have normal relationships; enjoy work, and to take pleasure in life.
~snip~
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/08/psychiatry-101-defense-mechanisms.html

In my opinion, the grandparents defense mechanism of denial in what has happend to their grand child and what their daughter has done is of the neurotic type...imhoo

~snip~
Level 1 Defense Mechanisms - Almost always pathological; for the user these three defenses permit someone to rearrange external reality (and therefore not have to cope with reality); for the beholder, the users of these mechanisms frequently appear crazy or insane. These are the "psychotic" defenses, common in overt psychosis, in dreams, and throughout childhood. They include:

Denial - a refusal to accept external reality because it is too threatening. There are examples of denial being adaptive (for example, it might be adaptive for a person who is dying to have some denial (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE )
Distortion - a gross reshaping of external reality to meet internal needs (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE)
Delusional Projection - frank delusions about external reality, usually of a persecutory nature (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE)
~snip~

I tend to believe that this explains a lot of the grandparents behavior...which in my opinion, is pathological. It is sad, imhoo....

 

[suggie]

I think Chloroform is odorless but I am not 100% sure. odorless and colorless

 

[tekilla]

Thanks for the reply. But still the way it was stated on NG and other shows it was permeating the car. I don't know how he was able to drive the car that way. I guess if it was just in the trunk the windows would have helped.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

By comparison, remember the denial and optimism many people experienced on 9/11/2001 and the days following when so many had belief their loved ones would emerge from the collapsed towers? Or when we had to wait what seemed like hours before the president made the official speeches of "no survivors" after the space shuttles explosions (Challenger and Columbia)? It was as though they held out hope the astronauts had miraculously survived such devastation at more than a mile above the earth and could somehow walk away safely.

I think that denial and optimism is what helps people in those most horrific moments.

 

[outlandishone]

My heart just broke for him when I heard him say that.

I don't know what their involvement is.

I beleive they cannot accept the truth because it is just too horrific and they are now concentrating and putting all their engeries on protecting Casey.

 

[suggie]

I do think the family is in denial and using defense mechanism, nurseB. The whole situation is heart wrenching. Who and I mean anyone, wants to believe their child could harm a :angel: toddler. they need proof, which, LE will give them, I am sure. I do not agree with taking money for photos, and getting paid for the story UNLESS KC leads LE to Caylee's body. A sad, sad story. raying: for resolution for this family and us

 

[Lady Loves Lurking]

I think Chloroform is odorless but I am not 100% sure. odorless and colorless

Respectfully snipped--

Chloroform has a pleasant, sweet odor. You can read more about it here:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chloroform/recognition.html

 

[GreenEyes727]

What he actually said was "the person in my granddaughter's car is not my granddaughter."

NG has been running & re-running this video clip of GA saying that all along, as late as last night's show. I think the statement speaks to GA's utter emotional pain & anguish more than anything else. Granddaughter missing, daughter looking suspiciously like the murderer, most of America already believing the baby is dead & Mommy is the killer, the media constantly talking about decomp in the car, sticking a mike in his face, "Waddya think, George, about the decomp in the car, George?" The media, the protesters & the looky-loos camped out on his lawn every single day for weeks on end --- etc., etc. ...

George is living in a nightmare from hell. I don't think his statement reflects much of anything but pain.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I agree with you Soul. George is feeling this the most.

 

[nursebeeme]

By comparison, remember the denial and optimism many people experienced on 9/11/2001 and the days following when so many had belief their loved ones would emerge from the collapsed towers? Or when we had to wait what seemed like hours before the president made the official speeches of "no survivors" after the space shuttles explosions (Challenger and Columbia)? It was as though they held out hope the astronauts had miraculously survived such devastation at more than a mile above the earth and could somehow walk away safely.

I think that denial and optimism is what helps people in those most horrific moments.

altruism, humor, etc are level four defense mechanisms and not pathological. Denial is almost always pathological
~snipped~
Level 4 Defense Mechanisms are common among most "healthy" adults and are considered the most "mature". Many of them have their origins in the "immature" level, but have been honed by the individual to optimize his/her success in life and relationships. Use of these defenses gives the user pleasure and feelings of mastery. For the user, these defenses help them to integrate many conflicting emotions and thoughts and still be effective; and for the beholder their use by someone is viewed as a virtue. They include:

Sublimation - transformation of negative emotions or instincts into positive actions, behavior, or emotion (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLES, art, sports, hobbies, or even one's choice of profession)
Altruism - constructive service to others that brings pleasure and personal satisfaction (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE)
Suppression - the conscious decision to delay paying attention to an emotion or need in order to cope with the present reality; able to later access the emotion and accept it. (EXAMPLE)
Anticipation - realistic planning for future discomfort (EXAMPLE)
Humor - overt expression of ideas and feelings (especially those that are unpleasant to focus on or too terrible to talk about) that gives pleasure to others; (humor lets you call a spade a spade, while "wit" is actually a form of displacement) (EXAMPLE, EXAMPLE)
~snip~
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/08/psychiatry-101-defense-mechanisms.html

ETA....sublimation and suppression are perhaps what you were describing in your 9/11 example? Denial is pathological...meaning it is destructive to the self and others around the person in denial.

I think the grandparents are in denial, and also exhibiting signs of distortion and delusional projection. They really need to get a counselor in there to help them deal with this situation better/employ more healthy defense mechanisms. They are really going to self destruct if they keep on this pathological path~!

 

[MaggieMom]

By comparison, remember the denial and optimism many people experienced on 9/11/2001 and the days following when so many had belief their loved ones would emerge from the collapsed towers? Or when we had to wait what seemed like hours before the president made the official speeches of "no survivors" after the space shuttles explosions (Challenger and Columbia)? It was as though they held out hope the astronauts had miraculously survived such devastation at more than a mile above the earth and could somehow walk away safely.

I think that denial and optimism is what helps people in those most horrific moments.

I agree. Denial can be good thing in the situations you cited.