09-17-2011 Topaz Mountain Search Yields Charred Wood and Decomp

[gwenabob]

I don't know the details, but this was during the time he had the rental car. The police took his van as part of their search warrant, it would make sense they took his phone, too.

The two cell phone thing is odd. A total guess would be he had used up all the time on his first one and needed to buy more minutes, and so he is saying that convenience stores he went to would be able to say he was there doing so.

I recall the neighbor Mr. Peterson saying Josh went to Walmart to buy a replacement bedspread and phone because the police took them.

I have to say that if my spouse was missing, a new bedspread would be the LAST thing I would be worrying about!

 

[Jacie Estes]

I recall the neighbor Mr. Peterson saying Josh went to Walmart to buy a replacement bedspread and phone because the police took them.

I have to say that if my spouse was missing, a new bedspread would be the LAST thing I would be worrying about!

So I wonder if it was one phone or two phones? josh may have been reading 'one fish, two fish' right before the interview and got confused.

 

[Jacie Estes]

First off; don't assume someone can poison someone just because "they look like someone who could do that". No wonder the guy went into hiding (after 3 police interviews). Any lawyer worth his money will always tell his client to not talk to police, especially if you are suspect #1 and they are grasping at straws. Being popular with public opinion is the least of Josh's worries. He's worried about his boys, angry/worried/confused regarding his wife, and of course the mob mentality which plagues him every day which he fears may turn into violence against him or his family. Look at the Casey Anthony trial- people threatening her family. Everyone reacts differently- and with the advent of the internet; any little detail can become misconstrued, distorted (in regards to his demeanor, affect, etc.). It's great to have forum discussion, but sad people have tunnel vision.


People need to remember the following quote from Kiirsi's blog:

"Here, once and for all is the short answer to those questions: You don’t know all the details here. There are many, many details of Susan’s background/relationship with Josh/etc. that have NOT been made public. And you WILL NOT hear them from me, either. My whole goal, focus and priority here is to find Susan. This includes not telling the world things the police want kept inside the investigation. "

And no; this just isn't related to Steve's antics.

BBM I'm still wondering about that 'grasping at straws' comment. What makes you say that? Do you think the police are trying to frame josh?

 

[Knox]

I don't know why two, but IIRC, he did buy a disposable phone.

Did he ever say why he bought a disposable phone/s? Was this in some early media interviews with Josh? If so, could you linky?

ETA: After I posted, I saw Gwenabob's post above. But in the media interview Josh is talking about the night Susan disappeared, not a few days after, correct?

 

[hollyblue]

Thanks. Interesting interview I had not seen that one before. With 1:20 left in the interview, I think what he said is interesting, regarding how he has made every effort to contact authorities and that he has sent in leads via email. He then stops himself (probably realizing this lie could get exposed) and says "generally through my dad." Why I find it interesting is it is just further confirmation of the profiles I have put together. According to former FBI profiler Rober Ressler (considered the best in the business) disorganized offenders (which JP profiles as) do not follow the case in the news or try to inject themselves into the investigation, but organized offenders do. I have Steven Powell profiled as an organized offender, so it makes sense that he is the one who actually sends in emails.

By the way, Ressler says disorganized offenders do not hide the body, but organized ones do.

BBM The only problem I have with this is...profilers also say if the victim is known to them, the perp will most likely try to hide the body and remove it per se; if not, then they don't care because they don't beleive anyone can tie them to the crime. Organized crime victims....many "hits" are left where they lay just to make a statement is an example...and they may know the victim..but not be psychological "intimate". The other example is the disorganized narcissist who thinks they can out smart LE by trying to cover the act or divert their actions on to something (robbery) and/or someone else. JMO

 

[passionflower]

Is it true. That a murderer goes back. To the scene of the crime?

 

[hollyblue]

This post will may not be rec'd too well, but I have to say I've thought of this one scenario (of many) since Kiirsi said she thought SP had been abducted. What if Dad did this on his own, with outside help...without JP's knowledge until afterward? Unless LE knows he (Dad) has a good alibi, then this is moot. Say Dad and JP had been discussing the "problems" JP had with Susan and Dad decided he was fed up with the whole situation of JP not being able to control SP and it was apparent a divorce and the children being taken away was a reality. (undoubtedly, imo) Dad arrives in WVC unexpectedly and calls JP or told him earlier he was coming saying he wants to see him and the children and discuss the problem...and of course SP will not go or doesn't know. While he's visiting with JP..other(s) are doing the deed or he asks to borrow JP's car to run out and get goodies for the them and the boys so they could "talk". Access to his vehicle and the keys to his house. He's stuck there a the hotel!! (Sledding time frame) Maybe he tells JP he will take care of the problem...or already has upon JP's leaving..whether JP agrees to it or not....it's done! JP goes home and finds she is gone and finds the mess. What's he going to do? Call LE and tell on pappa? Who will JP have to run to with his problems and remember the control of Dad over JP. If he doesn't go along, then he will be fingered. It could be Dad didn't say anything, the spot was just a spill of some kind...JP goes home and she's gone. He then calls Dad and Dad then tells him. JP goes again to meet and talk with Dad...or is panicked and does try to find her and he does ride around just trying to figure out what he's going to do....or should do. ??? Think about it, and his reactions afterwards described by the family and friends...and his interview! Your father just did in your wife..."for you and the children's sake" Does he snitch on his own father or carry the burden of the knowledge? Either way...not a comfy place to be for JP.

Just a theory....and it may not be a good one, but please don't throw tomatoes at me. I was just trying to theorize off of Kiirsi's statement of abduction, his Dad's control issues (all the kids still at home, except MP) and JP's absolute co-dependency on him. IF JP didn't do it.....what would explain his reactions. imo

I'm now ducking......

 

[Breazy]

Hi! Haven't posted in this thread but have been following along as my work load allows. Thank all of you so much for keeping me "in the know". The news from the search site(s) seems to have dwindled to almost nothing. I hope that's a sign that big things are happening that have to have a lid kept on for the time being. Oh please, let SOMETHING be found to bring Susan home!!!!

 

[diphi]

This post will may not be rec'd too well, but I have to say I've thought of this one scenario (of many) since Kiirsi said she thought SP had been abducted. What if Dad did this on his own, with outside help...without JP's knowledge until afterward? Unless LE knows he (Dad) has a good alibi, then this is moot. Say Dad and JP had been discussing the "problems" JP had with Susan and Dad decided he was fed up with the whole situation of JP not being able to control SP and it was apparent a divorce and the children being taken away was a reality. (undoubtedly, imo) Dad arrives in WVC unexpectedly and calls JP or told him earlier he was coming saying he wants to see him and the children and discuss the problem...and of course SP will not go or doesn't know. While he's visiting with JP..other(s) are doing the deed or he asks to borrow JP's car to run out and get goodies for the them and the boys so they could "talk". Access to his vehicle and the keys to his house. He's stuck there a the hotel!! (Sledding time frame) Maybe he tells JP he will take care of the problem...or already has upon JP's leaving..whether JP agrees to it or not....it's done! JP goes home and finds she is gone and finds the mess. What's he going to do? Call LE and tell on pappa? Who will JP have to run to with his problems and remember the control of Dad over JP. If he doesn't go along, then he will be fingered. It could be Dad didn't say anything, the spot was just a spill of some kind...JP goes home and she's gone. He then calls Dad and Dad then tells him. JP goes again to meet and talk with Dad...or is panicked and does try to find her and he does ride around just trying to figure out what he's going to do....or should do. ??? Think about it, and his reactions afterwards described by the family and friends...and his interview! Your father just did in your wife..."for you and the children's sake" Does he snitch on his own father or carry the burden of the knowledge? Either way...not a comfy place to be for JP.

Just a theory....and it may not be a good one, but please don't throw tomatoes at me. I was just trying to theorize off of Kiirsi's statement of abduction, his Dad's control issues (all the kids still at home, except MP) and JP's absolute co-dependency on him. IF JP didn't do it.....what would explain his reactions. imo

I'm now ducking......

No need to duck, hollyblue. I've always respected and appreciated your posts.

Believe me, I have had thoughts along the same lines. Kiirsi has insight that we don't have so statements like that from her weigh heavily for me. I do note that she said that some time ago; don't know if she still has the same opinion.

However, at this time I don't think we can openly sleuth the dad, so I just keep those thoughts to myself.

IMO

 

[Donjeta]

Is it true. That a murderer goes back. To the scene of the crime?

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Some continue to live in them for years, some go back to check up on things or to relive the thrill of the kill, some put their running shoes on and run. JMO and I'm no profiler

 

[ransackmobilize]

Welcome to Websleuths, ransackmobilize!

I would have put some cute welcome smileys here for you, but my little laptop is not cooperating!

While you and I may disagree strongly on some points regarding Susan's disappearance, I look forward to hearing more from you!

Thank you, It's good to keep all possibilites open. People will never know the true family dynamics within that household. You can only wonder who wore the pants. Josh wouldn't lift a hand to his wife- only the silent treatment when being struck or yelled at- one can imagine.

I hope they find her.

 

[hollyblue]

Did he ever say why he bought a disposable phone/s? Was this in some early media interviews with Josh? If so, could you linky?

ETA: After I posted, I saw Gwenabob's post above. But in the media interview Josh is talking about the night Susan disappeared, not a few days after, correct?

I'm confused? No, I think it was afterwards. I was responding to HatLava's post re: the rental car conversation with the reporter. ??

 

[HotLavaJavas]

I'm confused? No, I think it was afterwards. I was responding to HatLava's post re: the rental car conversation with the reporter. ??

In the link I gave earlier, he said he was driving around SL county looking for Susan. I don't think he ever mentions why he wanted the phones, but, I do know the WVCPD took his, as is standard.

Link here

I must say, though, the skeptic in me wonders why they waited to show this footage from August 20th.

 

[diphi]

I don't know the details, but this was during the time he had the rental car. The police took his van as part of their search warrant, it would make sense they took his phone, too.

The two cell phone thing is odd. A total guess would be he had used up all the time on his first one and needed to buy more minutes, and so he is saying that convenience stores he went to would be able to say he was there doing so.

BBM

And how would he have used up all that time? Talking with one particular person, perhaps?

Another total guess might be that he had one to use with an accomplice (and just who would that be?) and one for everyone else. I really can see him standing in a convenience store desperately trying to initialize a cell phone for his accomplice - maybe in a "memorable" panic because he couldn't figure out what his next move would be and needed to be told.

IMO, you know.

 

[diphi]

Hi! Haven't posted in this thread but have been following along as my work load allows. Thank all of you so much for keeping me "in the know". The news from the search site(s) seems to have dwindled to almost nothing. I hope that's a sign that big things are happening that have to have a lid kept on for the time being. Oh please, let SOMETHING be found to bring Susan home!!!!

BBM

i recall seeing a tweet from one of the reporters (maybe yesterday?) that cell phone and Internet access was virtually nonexistent where they are. I can believe it. So...maybe they just gave up, sort of. Maybe they learned not to get everyone's hopes up.

I will say though, LE does seem pretty persistent in this area. There is something that's pushing them forward. No idea what that would be, though, except information from a person or what was gathered during the search of the WA house.

 

[hollyblue]

In the link I gave earlier, he said he was driving around SL county looking for Susan. I don't think he ever mentions why he wanted the phones, but, I do know the WVCPD took his, as is standard.

Link here

I must say, though, the skeptic in me wonders why they waited to show this footage from August 20th.

It is interesting why they re-ran it. There is deception in his speech and body language, imo. "Nothing I can do" The I's turn to We. Again, I made every effort to contact, I made emails....(er)....normally thru my dad...WE did if there ever were any." They both have knowledge...and yes, he figures there is nothing he can do.

I find his last statement interesting. "I was very much alone that night? trying to figure out what had just happened."

 

[cocomod]

It is interesting why they re-ran it. There is deception in his speech and body language, imo. "Nothing I can do" The I's turn to We. Again, I made every effort to contact, I made emails....(er)....normally thru my dad...WE did if there ever were any." They both have knowledge...and yes, he figures there is nothing he can do.

I find his last statement interesting. "I was very much alone that night? trying to figure out what had just happened."

BBM

I find this statement extremely interesting as well since "that night" was not the night that she disappeared.

I also find it interesting that if he was just driving around looking for Susan, why didn't he tell his sister who had his kids?

I also find it telling that he is asked why he won't talk to LE, and he starts on that he has tried multiple times...thru his dad...to give leads that they have. Leads does not equal talking to LE.

Talking to LE would be giving them ALL of the information for the night she went missing.

When I saw this news this morning, I thought - "How did I miss this interview?" I swear that I have not watched this interview before, yet it is a month old.. I wonder why Fox did not run this before now. ?? I do LOVE it when they catch Josh alone without Daddy to help him cover. He does so slip up when he talks. Daddy normally will not let him talk anymore. Daddy is taking care of everything now, isn't he. :sick:

 

[gwenabob]

Did he ever say why he bought a disposable phone/s? Was this in some early media interviews with Josh? If so, could you linky?

ETA: After I posted, I saw Gwenabob's post above. But in the media interview Josh is talking about the night Susan disappeared, not a few days after, correct?

I know this isn't MSM, but this writer has been spot-on with this case from the beginning, and I trust what she has written.

"Two days later, when Joshua Powell dropped by the Peterson home, he had "the worst wind burn" Peterson had ever seen on the back of his hands and he kept applying lotion to them as they talked in Peterson's front room.

"We kept asking about Susan, but all he could talk about was the new clothes and phone he had gotten at Walmart after the police took his stuff for evidence," Peterson said Wednesday about his neighbor."

http://www.examiner.com/family-in-s...n-provides-new-information-about-the-powell-s

 

[Jacie Estes]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52624724-78/dna-powell-wood-police.html.csp


When DNA is processed, the next step is to compare the DNA results with Powell’s profile. The woman’s DNA was likely collected by investigators from samples in her home, such as a toothbrush or hairbrush, Kupferschmid said. If police failed to do that, they could now collect DNA from Powell’s children and do a "reverse maternity test," in which Powell’s DNA would potentially be determined because it matched that of her children, he said.


And so it begins....should be interesting.


tick tock; ya hear that jp, they got plans.

 

[DomCasual]

Thank you, It's good to keep all possibilites open. People will never know the true family dynamics within that household. You can only wonder who wore the pants. Josh wouldn't lift a hand to his wife- only the silent treatment when being struck or yelled at- one can imagine.

I hope they find her.

Thank you for your contribution here.

I'll admit. I have a hard time seeing things from Josh's perspective in this.

Why don't you share more of your thoughts with us? I have just a few specific questions for you - background stuff that really doesn't have anything directly to do with the disappearance. Help me understand what I am missing, with regards to Josh.

1) Is it true that Susan had to ride her bike to work; to walk to church (even if it was a short distance); to ask permission to buy certain groceries? If these things are true, how would you explain them - keeping in mind that Josh really isn't a bad guy or husband?

2) Why does Josh stand back and let his father talk about Susan the way he does? Why didn't he stand up to him when Susan supposedly made him a cuckold, with his own father? Even if Susan was, for argument's sake, sexually flirtatious with Josh's father, why would Josh be okay with his father's claim that he reciprocated the flirtations? Why wouldn’t he expect his father to say, “Susan, this is inappropriate - I am loyal to my son, and I will not stand for you dishonoring him this way?”

I have more questions, but I will stop with those. You sound like you know Josh, and consider him to be a victim in all of this. I am usually a good devil's advocate (I’m not calling him a devil! It’s just a figure of speech – okay, BeanE? ). I sincerely try to consider even the most unlikely scenarios in a case like this - where a potentially-innocent, decent person might be getting railroaded by popular opinion.

Josh and I actually have quite a few things in common. We're roughly the same age; we live in the same area (SLC, Utah area); we have similarly-aged children; we have a similar religious background - heck, we even both married girls named Susan.

So, I get to thinking. If we were a one-car family, would I ever make my wife ride a bike to work? I would actually be worried sick about her, if she even had to do it one day. I would walk or bike myself; maybe I would just work from home; I would use public transportation; I'd find her car-pool opportunities; worst case scenario, I would take her and pick her up myself. I would do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I could to avoid having her strap on a helmet and ride 5-10 miles each way on dangerous roads every day.

Then there is the issue with Steve. Apparently, he and Susan were openly flirting with each other, right under Josh's nose. Again, I try and consider that situation. I would, of course, be hurt and upset with my wife. But I would also consider it a relationship-ender with my dad. I'd say, "Let me get this straight, Dad. My wife was getting sexually aggressive with you. And despite the fact the she was YOUR OWN SON'S WIFE, you were flattered to the point of reciprocating it? Of all the other 3 billion women in the world, you decided that YOUR OWN SON'S WIFE was the one you wanted to play with? And now, you think it's okay to giddily parade it in front of me to the media? And you expect me to stand in the background, and not defend myself/her?"

So, let's take the disappearance out of the equation. Let's, for argument's sake, say that this is just a normal situation - that Susan and Josh are separated, but that Susan's whereabouts are known. I would still have a hard time feeling anything positive about Josh. You seem to know him. Are we missing something?