09-17-2011 Topaz Mountain Search Yields Charred Wood and Decomp

[kai]

This post will may not be rec'd too well, but I have to say I've thought of this one scenario (of many) since Kiirsi said she thought SP had been abducted. What if Dad did this on his own, with outside help...without JP's knowledge until afterward? Unless LE knows he (Dad) has a good alibi, then this is moot. Say Dad and JP had been discussing the "problems" JP had with Susan and Dad decided he was fed up with the whole situation of JP not being able to control SP and it was apparent a divorce and the children being taken away was a reality. (undoubtedly, imo) Dad arrives in WVC unexpectedly and calls JP or told him earlier he was coming saying he wants to see him and the children and discuss the problem...and of course SP will not go or doesn't know. While he's visiting with JP..other(s) are doing the deed or he asks to borrow JP's car to run out and get goodies for the them and the boys so they could "talk". Access to his vehicle and the keys to his house. He's stuck there a the hotel!! (Sledding time frame) Maybe he tells JP he will take care of the problem...or already has upon JP's leaving..whether JP agrees to it or not....it's done! JP goes home and finds she is gone and finds the mess. What's he going to do? Call LE and tell on pappa? Who will JP have to run to with his problems and remember the control of Dad over JP. If he doesn't go along, then he will be fingered. It could be Dad didn't say anything, the spot was just a spill of some kind...JP goes home and she's gone. He then calls Dad and Dad then tells him. JP goes again to meet and talk with Dad...or is panicked and does try to find her and he does ride around just trying to figure out what he's going to do....or should do. ??? Think about it, and his reactions afterwards described by the family and friends...and his interview! Your father just did in your wife..."for you and the children's sake" Does he snitch on his own father or carry the burden of the knowledge? Either way...not a comfy place to be for JP.

Just a theory....and it may not be a good one, but please don't throw tomatoes at me. I was just trying to theorize off of Kiirsi's statement of abduction, his Dad's control issues (all the kids still at home, except MP) and JP's absolute co-dependency on him. IF JP didn't do it.....what would explain his reactions. imo

I'm now ducking......

Don't duck. I don't think it is absurd. The one interview with SP a few weeks ago when he said "Susan likes that" (talking about sexual things) creeped the bejeberz out of me. The way it was said in present tense made me wonder if he had her locked up somewhere and was keeping her.

 

[cocomod]

Thank you, It's good to keep all possibilites open. People will never know the true family dynamics within that household. You can only wonder who wore the pants. Josh wouldn't lift a hand to his wife- only the silent treatment when being struck or yelled at- one can imagine.

I hope they find her.

Are you trying to infer that Susan struck and yelled at Josh as he sat quietly?

 

[Magdalyn]

Thank you, It's good to keep all possibilites open. People will never know the true family dynamics within that household. You can only wonder who wore the pants. Josh wouldn't lift a hand to his wife- only the silent treatment when being struck or yelled at- one can imagine.

I hope they find her.

BBM
Respectfully, I don't know how you can make the first statement I bolded and the second statement I bolded unless you are Josh or Susan. You are right; people never really know ... and abusers and victims can often hide everything from everyone outside those four walls. That would mean they could hide it from you, too.

I've personally never wondered 'who wore the pants'. :waitasec:

 

[TGIRecovered]

Thank you, It's good to keep all possibilites open. People will never know the true family dynamics within that household. You can only wonder who wore the pants. Josh wouldn't lift a hand to his wife- only the silent treatment when being struck or yelled at- one can imagine.

I hope they find her.

Does the sentence that I bolded mean that this is your opinion and one is left to imagine the rest, or are you stating it as fact? Are you saying that Susan struck Josh?

Do you believe that only men who have a history of beating their wife would resort to murder? Having followed many cases of murdered and missing wives over the years, I've come to realize that there is a certain breed of killer who may cultivate a peaceful, charming, loving demeanor for years before finally offing his wife or girlfriend. Apparent timidity is the ultimate disguise for a stealthy killer, IMO.

I personally find the phrase "lift a hand" to be an abuser's way of making physical assault sound more acceptable. Why don't people just say what they mean? It's a common phrase so I'm not blaming you, Ransack, you didn't invent it!

Please don't feel intimidated by the prevailing opinions represented here at Websleuths. As I've said before, we may disagree, but I do look forward to hearing more about what makes you believe that Josh and/or Steve had nothing to do with Susan's disappearance!:twocents:

 

[cocomod]

Is it true. That a murderer goes back. To the scene of the crime?

Kiesha Abraham's mom and step-dad did. Look where it got them! I only wish every case could be solved with cops actually watching, listening, and then catching them WHEN they return to the scene.

I posted on a HD page about the cell phones being tapped in Kiesha's case. The VERY next day, Billy Dunn was found in a store purchasing a new cell phone.

 

[Ronso]

I've personally never wondered 'who wore the pants'.

I'm assuming they both wore pants....


:winko:

 

[Allison907]

...."Last week, cadaver dogs alerted their handlers to the presence of human remains in an area where about 100 small pieces of wood were discovered buried near Topaz Mountain.

Lab work on the recovered wood would generally take three days — but perhaps longer depending on a number of factors, said Tim Kupferschmid, executive director at South Salt Lake-City based Sorenson Forensics, who has more than 20 years of experience in forensic DNA testing....."



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52624724-78/dna-powell-wood-police.html.csp

Has it been three days?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I know this isn't MSM, but this writer has been spot-on with this case from the beginning, and I trust what she has written.

"Two days later, when Joshua Powell dropped by the Peterson home, he had "the worst wind burn" Peterson had ever seen on the back of his hands and he kept applying lotion to them as they talked in Peterson's front room.

"We kept asking about Susan, but all he could talk about was the new clothes and phone he had gotten at Walmart after the police took his stuff for evidence," Peterson said Wednesday about his neighbor."

http://www.examiner.com/family-in-s...n-provides-new-information-about-the-powell-s

From the article:

Susan told Peterson that Josh was controlling and had become more possessive and obsessive since moving to Utah five years ago. She wanted Josh to become more active in the church and hoped he would get his temple recommend by their anniversary in 2010. If he didn’t, she was strongly considering divorcing him.

I have heard their anniversary was in the spring - does anyone know the exact date?

I think it's interesting that the problem Susan was trying to solve (getting Josh more active in church) was manifesting itself the day she went missing. Per JP, he didn't go to church that day. I don't know a lot about LDS, but I would think going to church on Sundays is a big deal? Was JP normally going on Sundays prior to this? Could this have upset Susan that JP didn't go, and she then might have seen the situation as hopeless with getting him more involved? This could have then led to "I'm divorcing you (and taking the kids)" and JP's anger of the moment (along with all of his father's "advice" on how to treat Susan) propelled JP to commit the murder?

MOO.

 

[hollyblue]

BBM

I find this statement extremely interesting as well since "that night" was not the night that she disappeared.

I also find it interesting that if he was just driving around looking for Susan, why didn't he tell his sister who had his kids?

I also find it telling that he is asked why he won't talk to LE, and he starts on that he has tried multiple times...thru his dad...to give leads that they have. Leads does not equal talking to LE.

Talking to LE would be giving them ALL of the information for the night she went missing.

When I saw this news this morning, I thought - "How did I miss this interview?" I swear that I have not watched this interview before, yet it is a month old.. I wonder why Fox did not run this before now. ?? I do LOVE it when they catch Josh alone without Daddy to help him cover. He does so slip up when he talks. Daddy normally will not let him talk anymore. Daddy is taking care of everything now, isn't he. :sick:

Is the video of this interview new? IIRC, a poster commented on it ....and on his wanting to get out of there quickly because the kids were not secure in their seats and the van door was wide open. I think it was a discussion that took place in the Target? parking lot the day the two dads had their discussion. ??

No, definitely not the same as him talking to LE and prolly why HE won't even email LE. He doesn't want to open any avenue of discussion with them....nor does his father want him too, imo. Same with media. Josh flubbs up with stress.

I don't recall if it has been in the MSM if Jen or Kirk told LE why he needed the car (tho, imo, Josh would feel the need to explain)...or that he had one. Actually, LE stating that they had no knowledge, the vehicle didn't have GPS or not following him...could also be a little fib LE sometimes uses. They may know every inch he had driven in the rental, but wanted to see how truthful he would be upon questioning.

jmo

 

[DomCasual]

From the article:



I have heard their anniversary was in the spring - does anyone know the exact date?

I want to say it was April 1st?

I think it's interesting that the problem Susan was trying to solve (getting Josh more active in church) was manifesting itself the day she went missing. Per JP, he didn't go to church that day. I don't know a lot about LDS, but I would think going to church on Sundays is a big deal? Was JP normally going on Sundays prior to this? Could this have upset Susan that JP didn't go, and she then might have seen the situation as hopeless with getting him more involved? This could have then led to "I'm divorcing you (and taking the kids)" and JP's anger of the moment (along with all of his father's "advice" on how to treat Susan) propelled JP to commit the murder?

MOO.

I think it's especially important with kids. I know my wife would get frustrated with me, in my younger days, when I would bail on church to, say, watch a football game. She wouldn't usually vocalize it. And she certainly wouldn't "lay a hand" on me over it. But I know it frustrated her.

There's a lot more to being active in the LDS Church than just attending. But it's kind of a metaphor for your activity, or lack thereof. When kids get old enough to start noticing such things, I think it gets harder to be able to say, "Yeah, son, it's really, really important that we all go to church. Unless there's a football game on. Then, it's not so important. And I'm not a hypocrite, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Select last night!"

I would imagine that part of what drove Susan about the church - started creating a sense of urgency, to an extent - was that their oldest son was getting old enough to become impressionable. If Josh was not attending - if he was, in fact, even starting to mock the church, a little (as has been reported) - I would guess she was starting to stress about it.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Just thought this was an interesting case to point up because of where the body was moved to:

Oregon Teen Murder Victim's Body Was Moved: Police
Reuters | Aug. 28, 2002 | By Teresa Carson
Posted on Wed Aug 28 2002 07:04:34 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by EggsAckley

OREGON CITY, Ore. (Reuters) -

The remains of at least one of two missing teenage girls discovered in an ex-convict's backyard had been put there recently -- explaining why past searches of the property had failed to find them, police said Tuesday.

With a grand jury impaneled to determine whether to charge toolmaker Ward Weaver, 39, with murdering Ashley Pond, 12, and Miranda Gaddis, 13, police officials rushed to assure the public that they did everything they could to find the girls.

Pond's body was found in a barrel under a concrete slab on the one-acre property rented by Weaver, who is currently in jail on charges of raping his son's girlfriend. Gaddis's body was found in a nearby shed.

"We do believe that evidence ... in the shed indicates (Miranda) had not been in that location since her death and had only recently been moved there," Oregon City police chief Gordon Huiras told Reuters in a brief interview on Tuesday.

He estimated that the body of the blond teenager had been in the shed "a short time, maybe weeks." He declined to speculate about when Pond's remains might have been brought to the property.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/740605/posts

IMO, Steven Powell would love nothing better than to have Susan's remains in his backyard. Especially if police had already searched his house (ie. not likely to happen again) and they now needed a new location for the body, as police were likely to find her remains from the items they took (computers, journals) from the last search on August 25, 2011.

 

[mysteriew]

Talking about how no one knows the real story in a home it brings up something I have been wondering about.

Steven Powell has given his version of his relationship with Susan and how it was mutual. I have my doubts about it being mutual. But for a father in law to even attempt to establish a sexual relationship with his daughter in law means he crossed boundaries. Which makes me wonder if he recognizes any boundaries at all. What was his relationship with his daughters? Did he ever cross those boundaries with them?

 

[TGIRecovered]

It is clear to me that Steve does not recognize healthy boundaries at all. His public behavior is horrid, and he is probably even less inhibited by any moral guidelines in private. That is my opinion.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I'm assuming they both wore pants....


:winko:

The tone of the initial post makes it seem as if Susan was bad and Susan got what she deserved. How dare she wear the pants. btw, isn't that just an old chauvinistic way of saying that she should have been in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?

We all know that Susan was actually made to ride a bike to work 7+ miles one way, grow a garden 'in her spare time' if she wanted to feed her sons healthy food AND she was not allowed to have the computer passwords for the bank accounts where SHE EARNED the money. Oh those bold women, they just have to be put in their place don't they? :sarcasm:

If it walks like a chauvinist and talks like a chauvinist, chances are it's a chauvinist. hhhhmmmm anyone we have heard of?

 

[gwenabob]

From the article:



I have heard their anniversary was in the spring - does anyone know the exact date?

I think it's interesting that the problem Susan was trying to solve (getting Josh more active in church) was manifesting itself the day she went missing. Per JP, he didn't go to church that day. I don't know a lot about LDS, but I would think going to church on Sundays is a big deal? Was JP normally going on Sundays prior to this? Could this have upset Susan that JP didn't go, and she then might have seen the situation as hopeless with getting him more involved? This could have then led to "I'm divorcing you (and taking the kids)" and JP's anger of the moment (along with all of his father's "advice" on how to treat Susan) propelled JP to commit the murder?

MOO.

I agree. On one hand Susan was pressuring him to become more active at church and live up to his promises and commitments. On the other hand, his dad was encouraging just the opposite. (Personally, I think once your children are married, parents have NO BUSINESS telling their kids how to live their lives, including whether or not they attend church--it is time to BACK OFF).

It is important for LDS people to attend church regularly. I know Sunday attendance is not as important for many other faiths. Lots of people attend only on Christmas, Easter, weddings, and funerals, and that is OK. But for LDS, we try to live our faith all week long, all year round. I guess we need that extra reinforcement! :crazy:

 

[Jacie Estes]

Talking about how no one knows the real story in a home it brings up something I have been wondering about.

Steven Powell has given his version of his relationship with Susan and how it was mutual. I have my doubts about it being mutual. But for a father in law to even attempt to establish a sexual relationship with his daughter in law means he crossed boundaries. Which makes me wonder if he recognizes any boundaries at all. What was his relationship with his daughters? Did he ever cross those boundaries with them?

It would not surprise me in the least to hear that boundaries were crossed.

I still go back to the post about killers keeping trophies.

A variation on a theme that steve just happened to keep Susan's undies in a locked cabinet in his bedroom? THAT is sick; what kind of sick person steals their DIL's underwear? When they steal it do they wear it themselves? :sick:

 

[gwenabob]

Just thought this was an interesting case to point up because of where the body was moved to:



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/740605/posts

IMO, Steven Powell would love nothing better than to have Susan's remains in his backyard. Especially if police had already searched his house (ie. not likely to happen again) and they now needed a new location for the body, as police were likely to find her remains from the items they took (computers, journals) from the last search on August 25, 2011.

Just as an interesting footnote, the girl's body had been hidden in Ward Weaver's locked chest freezer inside his house before it was moved to the shed.

 

[gwenabob]

The tone of the initial post makes it seem as if Susan was bad and Susan got what she deserved. How dare she wear the pants. btw, isn't that just an old chauvinistic way of saying that she should have been in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?

We all know that Susan was actually made to ride a bike to work 7+ miles one way, grow a garden 'in her spare time' if she wanted to feed her sons healthy food AND she was not allowed to have the computer passwords for the bank accounts where SHE EARNED the money. Oh those bold women, they just have to be put in their place don't they? :sarcasm:

If it walks like a chauvinist and talks like a chauvinist, chances are it's a chauvinist. hhhhmmmm anyone we have heard of?

Don't forget she wasn't even allowed her own key to the car. Josh was the keeper of all things. Sheesh. He probably kept her tampons locked up too.

 

[dovebar]

Truly, how can Washington's social services allow the kids in a home where the grandfather is giving interviews bragging about keeping his daughter-in-laws panties in his cabinet?

This ought to be enough for a home study and psych eval - which would surely show everyone in the family to be not fit for custodianship of a kid.

About the knitted beanie, I always thought it was to cover possible scratches on his head. In Utah, despite the snow, people frequently don't wear gloves or hats like they do in New Hampshire or the Dakotas. It wasn't that cold that day and most people would remove a hat while talking to the media, even if they were wearing one. Was Susan conscious enough while being dragged somewhere to hit or scratch him?

 

[Jacie Estes]

Truly, how can Washington's social services allow the kids in a home where the grandfather is giving interviews bragging about keeping his daughter-in-laws panties in his cabinet?

This ought to be enough for a home study and psych eval - which would surely show everyone in the family to be not fit for custodianship of a kid.

About the knitted beanie, I always thought it was to cover possible scratches on his head. In Utah, despite the snow, people frequently don't wear gloves or hats like they do in New Hampshire or the Dakotas. It wasn't that cold that day and most people would remove a hat while talking to the media, even if they were wearing one. Was Susan conscious enough while being dragged somewhere to hit or scratch him?

I would love to believe that she kicked him so hard in the cajones that he will never be able to use them again.

btw, is it normal for a 30 something guy to move back in with daddy and become a eunuch? {yea I know he probably still has the parts but it is fun to imagine]