10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[Cher352]

To me, setting up a meeting with the tempers, feelings, ego out in front, this is how I would structure it. Deborah & Jeremy would know they are free to leave at any time if they feel we have broken our word on how the questioning is to be handledl

All right, lets make it simple for both sides. The meeting will be held in the board room at the local lawyers office with DB, JI, their lawyer or 2, 2 new detectives, 2old detective familiar with the case, BS, and the transcriber for LE.
Questions will be an informative gathering basis on situations learned since last sit down discussion. No accusations of murder, accident, harm to Lisa from parents will be discussed or blamed. Issues that LE have uncovered may be discussed and questioned as to how the situation may fit unto the kidnapp of Lisa.. Anything that the parents can add to thse discussions is welcomed to be offered.

The first meeting will be for 90 miutes. A 20 minute break will follow. At this time, depending on where the meeting left off, the meeting will contine for 30 more minutes with all the same parties in the room. After 30 minutes, the meeting will stop, and the two participants, DB & JI will be interviewed in separate rooms with lawyers and a new detective and an old detective with them. This meeting will continue for up to 90 minutes at which time we will break for the morning. Lunch will be served.

Deciesion will be made if the detectives will switch partners and meet with DB & JI for 90 min in the afternoon. Lawyers will do follow up with clients in office.

We believe this will offer our Clients Deborah and Jeremy a more relaxed and comfortable
occassion to sit down wth LE to go over questions and answers. You will have your lawyer with you, a new detective and an old detective to do the questioning. We appreciate your feelings and emotions at this difficult time, and believe these two professionals will gently guide you and the meeting will have a pleasant air to it. Thank you for your time.


Flind & Bring Lisa Home

This would be lovely but from what I have heard LE nor the FBI do things this way. They want you in their evironment not a neutral one, usually a sterile type room and uncomfortable chairs.

 

[1&2&3]

Please accept my apologies because I don't understand this post at all. Is it a letter to D&J?

It could be a letter from DB & JI's lawyer to D & J & LE, or from Le to the lawyer and DB & JI.

It is an aggreement set out as to how a peaceful meeting could take place incorporating what each side wants. This would be assuming all sides agreed. Put it in writing, make it simple, spell out exactly what is going to take place. Gives DB & JI knowledge ahead of time as to what to expect from both sides. Shows them there will be no bashing, accusing them, acts that happened last time which will calm them down going into it. Deb & Jer know they are free to walk out at anytime.

It is held on neutral ground, lawyers board room instead of an intimidating police station room, you have an old officer familiar with the case, hopefully one of the nicer ones, as well as a new nice officer and they have been told to handle with caution! They can get answers being gentle much easier than being tough and bullish.

Hope this helps.

 

[gwenabob]

To me, setting up a meeting with the tempers, feelings, ego out in front, this is how I would structure it. Deborah & Jeremy would know they are free to leave at any time if they feel we have broken our word on how the questioning is to be handledl

All right, lets make it simple for both sides. The meeting will be held in the board room at the local lawyers office with DB, JI, their lawyer or 2, 2 new detectives, 2old detective familiar with the case, BS, and the transcriber for LE.
Questions will be an informative gathering basis on situations learned since last sit down discussion. No accusations of murder, accident, harm to Lisa from parents will be discussed or blamed. Issues that LE have uncovered may be discussed and questioned as to how the situation may fit unto the kidnapp of Lisa.. Anything that the parents can add to thse discussions is welcomed to be offered.

The first meeting will be for 90 miutes. A 20 minute break will follow. At this time, depending on where the meeting left off, the meeting will contine for 30 more minutes with all the same parties in the room. After 30 minutes, the meeting will stop, and the two participants, DB & JI will be interviewed in separate rooms with lawyers and a new detective and an old detective with them. This meeting will continue for up to 90 minutes at which time we will break for the morning. Lunch will be served.

Deciesion will be made if the detectives will switch partners and meet with DB & JI for 90 min in the afternoon. Lawyers will do follow up with clients in office.

We believe this will offer our Clients Deborah and Jeremy a more relaxed and comfortable
occassion to sit down wth LE to go over questions and answers. You will have your lawyer with you, a new detective and an old detective to do the questioning. We appreciate your feelings and emotions at this difficult time, and believe these two professionals will gently guide you and the meeting will have a pleasant air to it. Thank you for your time.





Flind & Bring Lisa Home

bbm

I would definitely leave BS out of it. This should be attorneys, LE, and the parents. Period. Otherwise, good plan.

 

[gwenabob]

Please accept my apologies because I don't understand this post at all. Is it a letter to D&J?

It could be a letter from DB & JI's lawyer to D & J & LE, or from Le to the lawyer and DB & JI.

It is an aggreement set out as to how a peaceful meeting could take place incorporating what each side wants. This would be assuming all sides agreed. Put it in writing, make it simple, spell out exactly what is going to take place. Gives DB & JI knowledge ahead of time as to what to expect from both sides. Shows them there will be no bashing, accusing them, acts that happened last time which will calm them down going into it. Deb & Jer know they are free to walk out at anytime.

It is held on neutral ground, lawyers board room instead of an intimidating police station room, you have an old officer familiar with the case, hopefully one of the nicer ones, as well as a new nice officer and they have been told to handle with caution! They can get answers being gentle much easier than being tough and bullish.

Hope this helps.

bbm

I don't think their attorney's office could be considered "neutral ground." I think there are lots of other places they could do it that would be more neutral. Like an uninvolved attorney's office or a court reporting office.

 

[1&2&3]

This would be lovely but from what I have heard LE nor the FBI do things this way. They want you in their evironment not a neutral one, usually a sterile type room and uncomfortable chairs.

I agree with you however it seems they are in a stand off for the last 3 weeks. In my book, its time to play middle man - give a little to get some anwers.

If the LE can get their answers thru my plan, then are they playing a game of stubborness - they prefer intimidation of the police station rather than meeting on neutral land to get answers? My opinion, LE playing rough tough cops isn't getting the job done, so they have to ease up! Different strokes for different people.

 

[1&2&3]

Any neutral place would work. It might be an empty side room at the court house. Just a way to meet to help get all involed working together again.

Of course, we may have an additional new lawyer as surely JT will bring a local on board if the time comes that DB & JI need separate lawyer one wll already be familiar with the case.

 

[Melanie]

bbm

I don't think their attorney's office could be considered "neutral ground." I think there are lots of other places they could do it that would be more neutral. Like an uninvolved attorney's office or a court reporting office.

howz about at a conference room at universal studios?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[lauriej]

Any neutral place would work. It might be an empty side room at the court house. Just a way to meet to help get all involed working together again.

Of course, we may have an additional new lawyer as surely JT will bring a local on board if the time comes that DB & JI need separate lawyer one wll already be familiar with the case.

..he's going to need a local attorney on board anyway with cyndyS gone, as he's not licensed to practise in missouri.

 

[BritsKate]

I dread seeing another missing kids case not get solved but at the same time I fear we would be stepping off quite the precipice if we allow potential suspects to control or steer a criminal investigation in any shape or form. (the collective 'we', of course )

I don't have a solution, unfortunately, but I feel modifying normal SOP would set a dangerous precedent for future investigations.

Just my two pence.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I dread seeing another missing kids case not get solved but at the same time I fear we would be stepping off quite the precipice if we allow potential suspects to control or steer a criminal investigation in any shape or form. (the collective 'we', of course )

I don't have a solution, unfortunately, but I feel modifying normal SOP would set a dangerous precedent for future investigations.

Just my two pence.

I see your point, and agree to a point. If it was a legal president rather than a local / volunteery presedent, I would totally agree. For example, if the court ordered it to be done the way 1&2&3 suggested, then that would be dangerous grounds to travel.

 

[BritsKate]

I guess I feel like law enforcement (and especially federal LE) shouldn't have to change their procedures because the parents won't cooperate with procedures as they are. I kind of see it as a form of coercion to be frank.

If they (LE) do, even voluntarily, I see it setting the stage for criminal investigations to stalemate far quicker. To be honest I have never seen it in a MP case either - jme. I've never seen a family that stated they would cooperate IF LE did x, y, z...not that I can recall pre-caffeine, anyway.

And on a side note I truly doubt LE would telegraph nationally that they want to speak to the parents without an attorney present. Can you even imagine that law suit?

 

[SilkySifaka]

I guess I feel like law enforcement (and especially federal LE) shouldn't have to change their procedures because the parents won't cooperate with procedures as they are. I kind of see it as a form of coercion to be frank.

If they (LE) do, even voluntarily, I see it setting the stage for criminal investigations to stalemate far quicker. To be honest I have never seen it in a MP case either - jme. I've never seen a family that stated they would cooperate IF LE did x, y, z...not that I can recall pre-caffeine, anyway.

And on a side note I truly doubt LE would telegraph nationally that they want to speak to the parents without an attorney present. Can you even imagine that law suit?

I don't see a problem for the parents to say they will not sit down for a confrontational accusatory interview. They know they are innocent so battering them over and over again about how did you kill Lisa and where is she is unhelpful at best. (from their perspective)

I think there is another way to look at their "terms". In many cases a defense attorney simply says "no interviews" and that is that. In this case they are not saying no interviews, just that they won't answer accusatory questions in a biased manner. That goes further than the blanket roadblock many clients and their attorneys put up, it gives LE a chance to reinterview them in the presence of their attorney.

imo

ETA re telegraphing, I have never seen LE announce and come out in a press conference for the specific purpose of saying to media that the parents have stopped cooperating eithe (unless it had to do with an arrest)r, so I have no idea if they would or would not telegraph no attorneys. If you had asked me a month ago I would have said the first was impossible too.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I don't see a problem for the parents to say they will not sit down for a confrontational accusatory interview. They know they are innocent so battering them over and over again about how did you kill Lisa and where is she is unhelpful at best. (from their perspective)

I think there is another way to look at their "terms". In many cases a defense attorney simply says "no interviews" and that is that. In this case they are not saying no interviews, just that they won't answer accusatory questions in a biased manner. That goes further than the blanket roadblock many clients and their attorneys put up, it gives LE a chance to reinterview them in the presence of their attorney.

imo

ETA re telegraphing, I have never seen LE announce and come out in a press conference for the specific purpose of saying to media that the parents have stopped cooperating eithe (unless it had to do with an arrest)r, so I have no idea if they would or would not telegraph no attorneys. If you had asked me a month ago I would have said the first was impossible too.

And they refuse to be interviewed separately. Just want to add that.

 

[natsound]

This morning we see that Bill Stanton, texting a reply to reporter Cliff Judy about his and the family's whereabouts, texts:

Lying loooooow!

Yes, with smiley face too. Tell me where there's any sense of utter devastation in that text. Please, show it to me. Maybe it's just me. :waiting:

 

[natsound]

Me too. But don't forget it's JI's bed, too. And nothing has been released to the media from LE, about his whereabouts for the entire Monday nite. Well, we don't have confirmed whereabouts for either of them on Sunday, either (except by assuming, via the birthday photos). And I'm still suspicious that something may have happened to Lisa between the birthday party on Sunday (which we have alleged photos) and before 5:30pm Monday. We don't have any witnesses that say they saw her after that party, except DB and JI. We, that is...maybe LE does.

I've been hearing conflicting information on whether JI's whereabouts are accounted for. I saw from another poster that he had an alibi as far as his whereabouts. My guess is that he can, or already has, proven that he was at work.

 

[Melanie]

This morning we see that Bill Stanton, texting a reply to reporter Cliff Judy about his and the family's whereabouts, texts:

Lying loooooow!

Yes, with smiley face too. Tell me where there's any sense of utter devastation in that text. Please, show it to me. Maybe it's just me. :waiting:

That's a rather playful text, imho. I wonder what kind of terms he's on with Cliff Judy. This is a missing baby case, and I see nothing that would warrant an emoticon at all. No response would have been more appropriate, IMHO.

MOO

Mel

 

[Cazzie]

That's a rather playful text, imho. I wonder what kind of terms he's on with Cliff Judy. This is a missing baby case, and I see nothing that would warrant an emoticon at all. No response would have been more appropriate, IMHO.

MOO

Mel

It has a ring of "na na na NA na, you can't find us" to it (since Cliff Judy is media). JMO.

 

[Tuffy]

This would be lovely but from what I have heard LE nor the FBI do things this way. They want you in their evironment not a neutral one, usually a sterile type room and uncomfortable chairs.

So the police don't have lovely enough rooms, or comfortable enough chairs to make people cooperate? :waitasec: By creating a more cozy atmosphere, they might get more cooperation? I'm also not sure what a neutral environment for an interview would be. The FBI's interview rooms are not neutral enough?

Not trying to beat up on you, Cher, but I don't know about this. I think this is a rather flimsy excuse to use when deciding to no longer assist law enforcement locate your daughter.

 

[Tuffy]

This morning we see that Bill Stanton, texting a reply to reporter Cliff Judy about his and the family's whereabouts, texts:

Lying loooooow!

Yes, with smiley face too. Tell me where there's any sense of utter devastation in that text. Please, show it to me. Maybe it's just me. :waiting:

Perhaps he has worked with Mason Cheney, who thought that working on a child murder case "would be fun."

 

[Tuffy]

I don't see a problem for the parents to say they will not sit down for a confrontational accusatory interview. They know they are innocent so battering them over and over again about how did you kill Lisa and where is she is unhelpful at best. (from their perspective)

I think there is another way to look at their "terms". In many cases a defense attorney simply says "no interviews" and that is that. In this case they are not saying no interviews, just that they won't answer accusatory questions in a biased manner. That goes further than the blanket roadblock many clients and their attorneys put up, it gives LE a chance to reinterview them in the presence of their attorney.

imo

ETA re telegraphing, I have never seen LE announce and come out in a press conference for the specific purpose of saying to media that the parents have stopped cooperating eithe (unless it had to do with an arrest)r, so I have no idea if they would or would not telegraph no attorneys. If you had asked me a month ago I would have said the first was impossible too.

BBM:

What does this even mean? I know you didn't say it, Silky, but just thought if anyone here knew what might be meant. I sounds vague, and "won't answer questions in a biased manner?" Do they know what biased means?