10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

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I don't care what type of room they use,the parents need to tell everything they know. They need to let the boys be interviewed by a specialist. If they are innocent ,they need to be a constant presence at the police station and news station. The parents need to ask LE "what more do you want? what do you need from us? ,what can we do to find our baby girl?".
The parents should be working with a reputable missing child foundation ,like Klass Kids or TES.
They shouldn't be hiding out,letting others speak for them,and keeping possible witnesses,their sons,from talking. JMO

LE should be following evidence ,wherever that leads them. If they had any reason to believe an abductor has baby Lisa ,we would see an appeal to the public. Right or wrong the parents seem to be their main focus,but that doesn't mean LE has stopped looking elsewhere.
I have a lot more questions about the families behavior ,than LE's .
Why did they leave ? Where is Lisa?
 
HA! AND there it is! <blows on her fingernails> Told ya.

I am very very upset as well as outraged about this! Mr. Abeyta is speaking honest truth here and does no one care to see the truth for what it really is??!? Or is everyone just like NG and only want to hear what will further fuel the hatred and disgust at the parents!?! Mr. Abeytas meeting with the parents was even twisted into a negative in the media and public..

IMO it's quite likely still that these parents are not guilty of harming their child!! I totally agree with Nancy A's post upthread and she could not be more spot on with her words.. I honestly believe it has become about hating the parents and no one can even see the forest for the trees at this point.. It's so overrun with vehement hatred and anger.. And where exactly does that get us, or more importantly where does that help baby Lisa? IMO it doesn't.. Hating them isn't going to help anything.. Some may say it doesn't matter but I disagree and I do believe that we, even here at WS do play a role in the public and media and that we are a chunk of that public pressure that's being spoken of.. The negative hatred and even bashing of parents that are not in any way, shape or form proven to be guilty of harming their baby.. I don't see it being of any help toward finding Lisa and cannot help but put myself in these parents shoes that my being innocent and terrified and having the lynch mob mentality right outside my doorstep.. Terrified and having put my trust in someone I believed would help me find my baby.. I know that I personally wouldn't stand for what's happening, but then again I'm not in their shoes and am only on the outside looking in.. And these ppl are not me and may not have the same strengths to draw upon or the same support system in place that I do.. Mr. Abeyta is attempting to get the real truth of what's going on out there to the media and people like NG cut his mic because it's not what's gonna get her the ratings of over exaggerating, blowing out of proportion, and harping on the negatives bashing these parents over the head.. That's what the public wants and Mr. Abeyta doesn't give a flying flip about that BS he's attempting to get the truth out there..

I'm appalled and disgusted with this exact attitude that NG is encouraging.. And it doesn't do a damn bit of good for Lisa whatsoever!!!

Agreed.

And were *I* in a situation where my daughter had been kidnapped, I know for a fact that my security would be so shaken that it would be a VERY short leap to fearing that anyone could be out to harm my other children, my family or myself. Yes, even a woman who shows up at my door at 9:30PM unannounced whom I've never met.

It's not unheard of that folks in the Irwin's position are threatened, harassed, or even harmed by people.

Isn't it funny that people can readily believe that a parent would take their own child's life, but don't as easily believe someone would do harm to that parent.

I guess my point is, violence cuts both ways. If we acknowledge that parents could harm their child, we have to also acknowledge that some misfit may try to harm a parent suspected of harming their child. In the wake of Casey Anthony, I heard numerous people say they'd like to do this or do that harmful thing to her -- this is a woman - rightly or wrongly - who was just acquitted by a jury of her peers. Our legal system says she's innocent. As wrong as we may know that decision to have been, it doesn't change the fact that there are still some loons out there who want to hurt her. A punishment that is not ours to mete out.

LE understands this fact, it's why they put bulletproof vests on suspects and surround them with armed police escorts. So why don't we acknowledge it.

Protecting one's family takes on ALL forms. I'm going to say it again so everyone is clear: PROTECTING ONES FAMILY TAKES ON ALL FORMS.

If my daughter had been kidnapped, you can bet I wouldn't let my other daughter, wife etc. out of my site. My wife would feel the same way to the 10th power.

This family leaving this place where their sanctuary has been violated, where press have photographed their boys, where unknown people - no matter how well intentioned - have just shown up unannounced; it is so understandable and necessary that's I'm frankly miffed by the righteous indignation people are spouting about it.

Mr Abeyta, a man who has LIVED this tragedy, gets it. Too bad so many who never have do not.
 
Is the family still in hiding someplace? I haven't been able to keep up with the news over the past few days.

I'm wondering the same thing. I read they took blankets and pillows, but what about luggage?
 
BBM
Everyone is gonna get sick of me posting this... but what the hey :)


"Young claims the parents have cooperated and answered other questions, but they have not sufficiently satisfied police demands."
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/237...er-disappearance-yougn-tacopina-short-dia.htm

If you read the whole article, it's only specific questions they haven't answered to police satisfaction. Young himself has said that aside from those "vital questions" they have been cooperative and in contact.

If they are lying about those "vital questions" then shame on them. If they are not, then what else can they do but repeat the same answer?

But either way, it's not been 3 weeks since their last cooperative effort, fwiw. :)

I'm not ;) Those were Young's words, and they mesh with what the family's spokespeople say. So, keep reminding people!
 
I'm tired of the attorneys, I'm tired of the PI, I'm tired of the parents, I'm tired of the media.

WHERE IS LISA?!
 
BBM
Everyone is gonna get sick of me posting this... but what the hey :)


"Young claims the parents have cooperated and answered other questions, but they have not sufficiently satisfied police demands."
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/237...er-disappearance-yougn-tacopina-short-dia.htm

If you read the whole article, it's only specific questions they haven't answered to police satisfaction. Young himself has said that aside from those "vital questions" they have been cooperative and in contact.

If they are lying about those "vital questions" then shame on them. If they are not, then what else can they do but repeat the same answer?

But either way, it's not been 3 weeks since their last cooperative effort, fwiw. :)
And I would guess you won't care if others just copy and paste their responses to you?

Originally Posted by AngelWings444
Then, the parents are NOT cooperating with LE, period. If they are not answering the question put before them by LE, not being interviewed again, and separate, they are not cooperating with the investigation. I'm SURE tons of things have come out since their little 11 hour interview, witnesses, calls, info, questions, that need to be followed up on to FIND LISA. The parent's and their attorney's are having none of it. WHY? There is no logical conclusion other than poor advice or guilty as sin. In addition, DB and her "camp" state LE was mean to them, accused them etc, doesn't mean it's so.

There is a missing baby. I don't understand why everyone is cutting them so much slack, when every detail they have given to the media has changed. There are just not THAT many excuses, I mean, coincidence's. Yet, LE, who is trying to find a missing child, isn't given one benefit of the doubt in this investigation. It truly puzzles me.

My post is not directed at you. JMO.
 
And I would guess you won't care if others just copy and paste their responses to you?

Originally Posted by AngelWings444
Then, the parents are NOT cooperating with LE, period. If they are not answering the question put before them by LE, not being interviewed again, and separate, they are not cooperating with the investigation. I'm SURE tons of things have come out since their little 11 hour interview, witnesses, calls, info, questions, that need to be followed up on to FIND LISA. The parent's and their attorney's are having none of it. WHY? There is no logical conclusion other than poor advice or guilty as sin. In addition, DB and her "camp" state LE was mean to them, accused them etc, doesn't mean it's so.

There is a missing baby. I don't understand why everyone is cutting them so much slack, when every detail they have given to the media has changed. There are just not THAT many excuses, I mean, coincidence's. Yet, LE, who is trying to find a missing child, isn't given one benefit of the doubt in this investigation. It truly puzzles me.

My post is not directed at you. JMO.

Of course it's directed at me ;)

I read that, and I believe I replied. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to that. If the vital question is "where is her body" or "Why did you kill her" than most loving, best parents couldn't answer.

I'm NOT CLAIMING (since it's forever misunderstood) that DB is innocent and perfect. I'm simply stating that we should call it like it is and not exaggerate details so it more precisely lines up with our opinion. I've called BS (the substance, not the person) on exaggerations on the other swing of the pendulum as well. I'm in camp "information" not camp DB. JMO

JMO
 
Of course it's directed at me ;)

I read that, and I believe I replied. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to that. If the vital question is "where is her body" or "Why did you kill her" than most loving, best parents couldn't answer.

I'm NOT CLAIMING (since it's forever misunderstood) that DB is innocent and perfect. I'm simply stating that we should call it like it is and not exaggerate details so it more precisely lines up with our opinion. I've called BS (the substance, not the person) on exaggerations on the other swing of the pendulum as well. I'm in camp "information" not camp DB. JMO

JMO

We don't know if your posed questions here are the ones LE wants them to answer. IMO, by the parents actions alone, they aren't answering anything. This is JMO, you have yours, I have mine. The parents could be answering "what was the weather like," stuff that has nothing to do with finding their daughter. None of us know the truth, pure speculation on everyone's part. Young's statement was a long time ago if you are working a missing child case. Every second counts. I agree with you, I'm in the information camp too, and the parents aren't providing information to LE. They have been whisked away to hide, the won't allow their boys to be interviewed, they won't follow up with interviews with LE. Speaks volumes. :twocents:
 
And I would guess you won't care if others just copy and paste their responses to you?

Originally Posted by AngelWings444
Then, the parents are NOT cooperating with LE, period. If they are not answering the question put before them by LE, not being interviewed again, and separate, they are not cooperating with the investigation. I'm SURE tons of things have come out since their little 11 hour interview, witnesses, calls, info, questions, that need to be followed up on to FIND LISA. The parent's and their attorney's are having none of it. WHY? There is no logical conclusion other than poor advice or guilty as sin. In addition, DB and her "camp" state LE was mean to them, accused them etc, doesn't mean it's so.

There is a missing baby. I don't understand why everyone is cutting them so much slack, when every detail they have given to the media has changed. There are just not THAT many excuses, I mean, coincidence's. Yet, LE, who is trying to find a missing child, isn't given one benefit of the doubt in this investigation. It truly puzzles me.

My post is not directed at you. JMO.



Excellent post. ITA, especially the part that I have made Bold. :goodpost:
 
I'm tired of the attorneys, I'm tired of the PI, I'm tired of the parents, I'm tired of the media.

WHERE IS LISA?!

I am so discouraged by the way this case has played out. I don't feel I can even add to the discussion any longer-what is there to say? If LE is not permitted to investigate thoroughly, how can they be expected to solve a case? Missing persons cases are enough of a challenge as it is. Tons remain unsolved forever, even with cooperation from family members and best intentions by all.
 
Wow. What is next, do interviews disguised? This is really starting to get ridiculous. What a big game while an innocent baby is missing. I hope they're all having fun! NOT.

This is a clown show. I'm not understanding how...this is okay. We have a baby missing for almost a frickin' month. If she's alive somewhere, sitting on someones lap having a bottle....I'll gladly eat crow, with bbq sauce.
But for her parents..to behave the way...they have is just, plain, wrong.
If they took the uncle away today for awhile...I hope he's been useful in some way.
Again..I ask where is the baby?
 
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/...ith-detectives

Police say they still want to re-interview Irwin and Bradley. Police last interviewed them on Oct. 8 and restrictions have been placed on all interviews since Oct. 5, authorities told KCTV5.

Do we have an answer to the restricted/unrestricted question? It has been argued that Oct 8 interview was not unrestricted because the professor was providing legal advice in that interview w/ police. This article states, "Police say they still want to re-interview Irwin and Bradley. Police last interviewed them on Oct. 8 and restrictions have been placed on all interviews since Oct. 5, authorities told KCTV5."

I asked the question about this very same subject in the "Ask a Lawyer" thread a couple of days ago. You can go there and see what the answer was.
 
Is the PI still in the picture?
Is he actually working for Lisa's family now?

When the parents left and took the boys away for the weekend, did they return so the boys could go back to school? Guess that depends if they're home schooled or not.
 

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