17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #20

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
Clearly, from any point along that "back sidewalk", TM had the available time to walk or run to his home provided he was not stopped.

Since I have been asked a reasonable question and have responded in kind, I would also like to ask a question which will explain, at least for myself, a great skepticism for the events of that evening as told by GZ and his agents.

On April 4th, Robert Zimmerman and both of GZ's attorneys were interviewed on the Sean Hannity show. The following image is the route described as GZ having taken and the sequence of events they say happened between the starting point of being told by the 911 dispatcher "We do not need you to do that", and the end point of GZ supposedly being brutally beaten by TM.

According to the transcript at:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...ns-father-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting

The sequence and travel path are as follows:

TMPath-1.png




Now to a couple of questions.

-We know that GZ got out of his vehicle at point (1) to begin this walk at [2:08] into the 911 call. We have all heard even the door opening pings as he exits the vehicle.

-We also know that the 911 dispatcher told GZ "we don't need you to do that" at [2:26] into the call which was 16 seconds after GZ started to follow TM. At a well document 3 mph walk rate for an adult male, in 16 seconds, he would have walked 70 feet to arrive at point (2).

-We are being told that he continued walking straight ahead to the next street over at point (3) where he obtained an address.

-We are then told that GZ started walking back to his vehicle until he reached the point where the sidewalks meet at point (4) to be brutally beaten by TM.

Since the above post to which I'm commenting apparently has some level of experience with time/distance calculations, I would like to ask two questions.

(a) Please feel free to double check in any scaled map reference that's preferred, but Google Earth plots the distance travelled from point (2) to point (4) as 243 feet.

I couldn't help but notice that in analyzing TM's walk rate to his residence, a rate of 4 minutes per quarter of a mile was applied. Lets apply the same rate to this 243 feet and see how long it would have taken GZ to travel.

.25 miles = 1,320 feet divided by 4 = 330 feet per minute. Since GZ only walked 243 feet, a quick ratio calculation tells us that the total time for GZ to go from point (2) to his brutal beating at point (4) would be 45 seconds.

If we add this time of 45 seconds to his KNOWN beginning time of [2:26] into the 911 call, we are being told that George Zimmerman was being brutally beaten at [3:11], right?

My first question....How was George Zimmerman able to retain his composure enough to continue to carry on his 911 call through this brutal attack in light of the fact that the call lasted four minutes and seven seconds?

My last question....Since GZ has claimed justification in killing an unarmed 17 year old boy by pulling out his pistol and firing one shot into his chest, while being beaten at the point his father tells us the attack happened, how did the body wind up 100 feet away per SPD and SFD at point (5)?



-

Appreciate your math and maps, at least there is some form of factual basis to your conclusions. Have some questions related to these below.

I will answer your questions, doubt they will suffice though.

For one, Zimmerman's purpose and Trayvon's purpose would likely change their rates. To use any kind of uniform travel rate would be incorrect, IMO. We also don't know how long Zimmerman might've peered down the sidewalk on his way to get the address.

Two, I have a hard time assuming that they met at the exact intersection of the sidewalks. It's not unreasonable to me that they might have met futher up the middle sidewalk.

1. Am gonna download Google Earth and see if I can play along with your work. Until I have time to do so, can you guestimate the distance from the truck to Brandy Green's home via the two routes possible (sidewalk between and through to Retreat Circle and down)? Seems like it would be less than a quarter mile given the distance to the convenience store.

2. Can you pinpoint the timeframe when Trayvon was walking back towards Zimmerman per the 911 call?

3. Have you mapped out, using your walk rates and the 911 tape, the trip Trayvon would have taken up til Zimmerman lost him? If you've done this on another thread, I apologize, haven't seen every post on every thread.

Thanks in advance!
 
Suppose it's possible. Pretty coherent thought if that was the case, but in context with not calling 911, hard to see this scenario unless he mentioned something to the girlfriend. Do you think it's any less possible that Trayvon was gonna catch Zimmerman by surprise and intimidate GZ or clean his clock?

Not directing this at you, but it seems the direction of the "sleuthing" on these 20 threads is mostly angled at portraying Zimmerman as a conspiring racist intent on killing Trayvon. If that is the case, Murder 1 should be on the table.

I agree, Murder 1 should be on the table.
 
Thanks!! Now I can watch it and not have to go all the way to the other room. I'm still totally weirded out that they are having this at the Seminole County Courthouse? Could they have lied to us and told us that there was going to not be a GJ held... but they did anyways to keep the media away?

Since Corey has never used a grand jury in cases like this, it seems pretty likely what she announced was true, IMHO.
 
They could be preempting the SA -- saying we've been told he should turn himself in, told charges are being filed.
 
Looks like that one mike is giving them real grief. Someone get some duct tape.
 
Since Corey has never used a grand jury in cases like this, it seems pretty likely what she announced was true, IMHO.

I'm just trying to figure out why it is being held at the Seminole County Courthouse? It just seems so... off! Why not at their law office?

Something is going on, IMO.
 
So, if they are not suspicious to you, they shouldn't be to anyone else? And if they are, that proves racism? Makes little sense to me, but okay!

If they're suspicious because of their race, then yah, that's racism in my book.

There's not a single concrete action described by Zimmerman on the 911 call that would constitute what I'd call suspicious behavior. I for one think TM was a victim of racial profiling that night, based on the facts as we know them.
 
Uhrig introduces self and Sonner, GZ will not be appearing today. Reasonably impt announcement to make.
 
:banghead::banghead::banghead:WTF?? They needed to have a press conference for THIS???
 
two atty looking types approach the camera

Hal introduces self and Mr> Sonner. Mr. Sonner will speak first then Hal.

We have lost contact with GZ We are withdrawing as counsel. due to no contact. Not returning calls or messages etc
 
Sonner: We are withdrawing as counsel with GZ. Have lost contact with him. Have previously had contact with him. If he wants us to come back as counsel he can contact us. He has not returned calls, emails since Sunday.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
131
Guests online
205
Total visitors
336

Forum statistics

Threads
608,845
Messages
18,246,327
Members
234,468
Latest member
Aja777
Back
Top