17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #10

[suzihawk]

Would a person be allowed to take a concealed weapon into a Target Store? Just wondering...

Only if it's not raining.

 

[francie]

There are rules in everything. There was obviously rules in place with the Neighborhood Watch Program. We all know he says he wasn't "on duty" that night, but really? He was on duty 24/7 and we all know it.

And GZ’s family trying to say he wasn’t on patrol… is that because he doesn’t have a license to carry a concealed weapon while working (neighborhood watch)? It’s a separate license than just a regular carry permit. Another problem for GZ. jmo.

 

[m00c0w]

You are not on duty. Only GZ took upon himself to "be on duty". You see something you think should be reported and you call 911, give them the info they ask for and you are done. That's it. A gun has nothing to do with it. Your eyes and phone are all you are required to use. The gun should never enter into it. jmo

I understand that when merely observing and reporting, it shouldn't enter the picture. I totally get that. I'm saying that a lot of people have brought up that when you're a member of/acting as a part of the neighborhood watch program, you're not supposed to carry a gun.

 

[m00c0w]

And GZ’s family trying to say he wasn’t on patrol… is that because he doesn’t have a license to carry a concealed weapon while working (neighborhood watch)? It’s a separate license than just a regular carry permit. Another problem for GZ. jmo.

It's a separate license to work as an armed security guard, which he was not doing.

 

[csziggy]

not sure why one article says 4 hours after and the other a half hour, I was hoping to find a time and date stamp somewhere on the video or even a clock in the back ground but no such luck....
Of course if there is 6 minutes of it, we are missing some of the video.

I bet some people can't read military time.

Video at http://youtu.be/9WWDNbQUgm4

 

[uvamerica]

Hey y'all - I'm back

:seeya:

So............................what did I miss? :floorlaugh:


I see GZ isn't in jail yet. And I also saw where his bro did an interview and put his own spin on what happened. And there was an "eye witness" yet that eye witness isn't really sure "who's on first" and didn't see the actual shot.

Glad I went out to play - it was much more fun. Plus it felt good to heave a 4 lb hunk of iron at a little white pole. I really get all my frustration out.

Does Piers Morgan or McDonell repeat again tonight? I'd like to catch those.

I'm glad you got some time to play ! don't know how long those frustrations will stay away now that your back though :floorlaugh:

Anyhow to answer your question, yes Pierce and O'Donell will be on again 1am est

 

[Emeralgem]

Naw - that ain't the one you want to go to. We have the Swap Shop up here in Lauderdale. Its at a multi-screen drive in and is known internationally. Even the cruise ships bus passengers out there to shop.

I don't go down to Miami - don't really cross the county line. Can't remember last time I was in Dade county. You can keep it - JMHO.

I'm with you.. Been there once for a wedding .. Never again. It took forever to get out of that airport and back home...Couldn't understand anything being said to me...

 

[flourish]

As I've stated before, there is no "on duty" or "off duty" when it comes to an NWP. It's not like Citizens on Patrol. It's a very informal program where you're just agreeing to be extra vigilant and report weird things to the police. You're essentially always "on duty", which is where my question comes from.

Okay, so let's cut to the chase: Let's say the legal answer is "no you can never have your gun on you." What then? Let's say the legal answer is "yes you can always have your gun on you." What then?

I'm failing to see where this is going, except on aforementioned little side trip?

 

[m00c0w]

I'd say when he started following Trayvon and calling the cops is when he became an NWP member that night. Being a normal civilian is what the witnesses did. They called 911, stayed put, and waited for police.

Actually, they were all more NWP by definition. Zimmerman went above and beyond.

 

[iluvmua]

GZ was cruising with his gun, in his truck, looking for the first person he felt he could confront. I believe he had a plan that night!

Which was to shoot and kill whoever he saw right?

 

[LolaMoon08]

Naw - that ain't the one you want to go to. We have the Swap Shop up here in Lauderdale. Its at a multi-screen drive in and is known internationally. Even the cruise ships bus passengers out there to shop.

I don't go down to Miami - don't really cross the county line. Can't remember last time I was in Dade county. You can keep it - JMHO.

I've been to the Swap Shop many, many times! I thought that was in Sunrise, though?

I love the Mango w/salt and Heineken Beer at the USA Flea Market. I just wasn't sure what part of Miami it was in? I've been there a lot of times?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

What was he saying?

That based on what the police released it sounds like GZ was justified. Don't know if he has changed his opinion since then and I don't want to put words in his mouth.

 

[LambChop]

He knows darn well the rules of the NWP. If he wants to do that, that's fine, but LEAVE your gun at home while on duty. No One's saying he should give up his gun...

Tulessa, this NWP does not have a person who is assigned to be on duty. They are strickly you see something report it. No one has any power to do anything other than what you would normally do and that's call 911. They do have a service where citizens are on patrol but they are forbidden to carry a firearm while on duty. They can only have a radio. This community is not affiliated with the patrolling group which is sanctioned by LE and their patrols are outside this community on the public streets.

How are you holding up?????

 

[RANCH]

But that's what I'm saying - I don't believe neighborhood watch actually has duty times. It's a constant thing. You're just saying you'll keep an extra careful eye on the neighborhood and report what you see to the police if it seems off. Essentially, you're always on duty when you're in your neighborhood.

I don't believe that NWP members punch a time clock but I may be wrong. Does joining a NWP mean that you must sacrifice any rights that you would normally have?

 

[joypath]

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Hi joypath. I think we are all waiting. Good to see you here, you really rock! :toastred: :seeya:

(((HUGS, Nore!)))......and to think I vowed that I wouldn't follow another :maddening: Fla. case again! This time.........my STAFF are howling over this case and lease:"demanded" lease:that I find out what the great WSers are sleuthing! :rocker::rocker:

 

[Lovejac]

Oh he did, he was just objective and not blatantly pro TM IMO. That did not agree with some.

We are a passionate group! That's why I love this crime forum so.

When have we ALL agreed on a case? When will we ever?

 

[LinasK]

I have a question to anyone who has join a Neighborhood Watch Program. Did you sign any kind of legal contract that stated what you could or couldn't do in regards to your duties. And if so did this contract state that these restrictions or requirements applied at all times or only when officially acting as a Watch member. Did the contract state when you are to be considered officially acting as a Watch member, or are you considered "on the job" 24/7?

None of the above, and yeah I consider it 24/7. If I hear a loud noise or screaming in the middle of the night, I'm going to call it in! My next door neighbor, but across a tiny street, had a car crash into his car parked in front of his house at 3a.m. You better believe I called that one in! My DD slept through it!

 

[codecracker]

I'm not as concerned about how he got face down as I am about how his body apparently spun 180 degrees so that his feet were on the same sidewalk that Mr. Zimmerman's said his head was being bashed on.

I am waiting to see a crime scene sketch that will show me exactly where TM's body was positioned, the only thing I can gather from the arrest reports is he was facedown with his arms under his chest.
However to make it possible for TM to have his feet facing the sidewalk....if TM is on top of GZ, he gets shot he doesn't fall straight back he slumps left or right and his body twists GZ pushes him off and he when he pushes off TM and TM goes face down his feet are now facing the sidewalk.
I wish I could draw a picture and post it. Best I can say take 2 fingers of one hand straddle the finger of your other hand and pretend 2 fingers are the top person and if they fall off left or right and then pushed they would end up 180.

this is JMO, hope I explained it well enough to see its possible for TM to end up that way if GZ head is on the sidewalk....not that I am saying that is what happen.......again MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

That based on what the police released it sounds like GZ was justified. Don't know if he has changed his opinion since then and I don't want to put words in his mouth.

I just want to give you a hug ((((((((HORACE)))))))))))

I know we disagree on this case, but I still love ya! Although, I should have washed your keyboard out with soap when you said you would support Baez! :floorlaugh:

 

[Ada]

(((HUGS, Nore!)))......and to think I vowed that I wouldn't follow another :maddening: Fla. case again! This time.........my STAFF are howling over this case and lease:"demanded" lease:that I find out what the great WSers are sleuthing! :rocker::rocker:

Yay! Good to have you on the case!