17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #32

[Adrienne37]

and I believe the investigator stated he had two of these tactical flashlights on his person that night. I'm not seeing that in the CNN transcript but I'm guessing it could have been at one of the points where they took a commercial break.

Excellent point about the photo as well.


~jmo~

Not meaning to quote my own post but wanted to add that at 1:47 minutes into the hearing (right after the discussion about Trayvon circling his car) is where the discussion is about the 2 flashlights that Zimmerman had on his person that night. One was described as a tactical flashlight at 6 inches long and the other was described as being on his key ring.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815


~jmo~

 

[Nore]

Florida shooter Zimmerman needs protection while out on bail, lawyer says..

Mark O'Mara also said he was considering seeking a taxpayer-funded bodyguard for Zimmerman if the threats continue, according to the report.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...protection-while-out-on-bail-lawyer-says?lite

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Why dont they just send him to KC? she seems to be doing pretty well for herself. Oh I cant say it about the birds.:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[Adrienne37]

Francis has been making the media tour hailing his pal George as a hero of sorts who "saved" his home from burglary on 2/2/2012. On CNN's Soledad O'Brien show, he said:



I decided to take a closer look at this police report and, in doing so, feel I have gained insight into the type man that George Zimmerman may be. The report is at the bottom of this post. In the Remarks column on the right, read from the bottom to top.

Essentially George is describing another perceived "menacing" BM with nefarious intent "casing out" Francis's house in much the similar fashion to his allegations of Trayvon allegedly "looking about" during the 911 call of 2/26.

He called Francis at his GF's house on 2/2 and let him know what was going on:



At some point, he let Francis know he was watching this guy while in possession of his 100 lb dog AND a 9mm pistol:



At the top of the report's remarks column, you'll find that when our same Officer Tim arrived on scene, if anyone was ever really there, they weren't there any longer. All doors and windows were secure and everything was 10-4 with zero evidence of a problem. Irregardless of Francis's continuing heralding of GZ being a "hero", seems as if one of George's "a%$holes" must have gotten away!

The point of all of this is, I started wondering why or how the "a%$hole" of 2/2 got away while under the "diligent" eyes of George, his gun, AND his dog. Then I noticed, NOWHERE in this police report does it say this "perp" was in his late teens. Nowhere does it say THIS bad guy was just a kid.

Seem's George's courage to pursue grew exceedingly when the "a%$hole" was just a kid, even without his dog.

I love all your hard work Papa, we need to hook you up with the prosecution/investigators.

On the very last entry on the log at 2030, it states a description of what the black male was wearing, black leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants, he keeps going, going to this 1020.

Do you know exactly what that means (the area I've bolded)?


~jmo~

 

[tehcloser]

I love his name on that report Papa...."George Neighborhood Watch!" .....lmbo.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Thing is, gated communities pay their security guards, and they stay at their posts at the guard station. If this was the case, Trayvon would have been questioned by the guard when he re-entered the complex, and they would have called the condo where he was stayed to verify him...
George was NOT security for the complex, nor was he supposed to follow, he was an unpaid volunteer for Neighborhood Watch. All he was supposed to do was call his suspicion in to LE.

Not all gated communities work the same. I have several friends and associates who live in gated communities. In one there is no security personality at all - just a gate where pedestrians as well as vehicle drivers have to punch the code to get in/out. In another there is also no security guards, just a coded gated for vehicles, but a side gate allows pedestrians to go in/out without a code. In another security is notorious for handing out speeding tickets... so they're out and about in their vehicles all the time, not just staying at the guard station.

In another super exclusive one into which I accidentally entered (from the back/wilderness) I've actually been stopped and escorted out. Maybe that's why I can easily picture these guys treating the unfamiliar as the suspicious - because that's how I was treated.

 

[Just K]

The night of Feb. 26, Zimmerman made a non-emergency call to police before fatally shooting Martin, in which he told a dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good, on drugs or something."

But law enforcement expert Rod Wheeler who listened to the tapes tells ABC News that Zimmerman, not Martin, sounded intoxicated in the police recordings of the 911 calls.

"When I listened to the 911 tape the first thing that came to my mind is this guy sounds intoxicated. Notice how he's slurring his words. We as trained law enforcement officers, we know how to listen for that right away and I think that's going to be an important element of this entire investigation," Wheeler said.

http://gma.yahoo.com/neighborhood-w...on-martin-wanted-cop-211535382--abc-news.html

And that right there might be why GZ decided it was best not to be inside his vehicle...didn't want to risk getting cited for DWI or DUI, maybe? In some states if you are even sitting behind the wheel and you are under the influence you can be arrested.

 

[RANCH]

Not meaning to quote my own post but wanted to add that at 1:47 minutes into the hearing (right after the discussion about Trayvon circling his car) is where the discussion is about the 2 flashlights that Zimmerman had on his person that night. One was described as a tactical flashlight at 6 inches long and the other was described as being on his key ring.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815


~jmo~

Thanks Adrienne. I just measured a Mini-Maglite that I keep in the center consul of my truck and it's 6" long. I keep it there just in case. Is a Mini-Maglite considered a "tactical" flashlight? I wonder if that's the kind of flashlight GZ used that night?

 

[Just K]

I am highly suspicious of the head injuries simply because of the location of them, and don't find that consistant with where the injury would be if you have your head slammed against concrete from a laying down position.

I also took note that the picture shows no splatter of the blood, no dirt, debris or grass, and there appears to be a lot of welling or pooling blood but that is not the best picture in the world...I find it interesting that the emphasis seems to be that there is evidence that GZ's story of what point and when after scooting his head off concrete the shooting occurred is contradicted by something that they found.

As far as the website, there may have been a variety of reasons, one that there was no apology, and the fact that many have charactarized the site as arrogant and showing no remorse for taking a life and that is off putting to many. Also, there is a chance that someone could track down GZ if he is posting to that site, by tracking down the IP address, so it was a security risk in that way too.

Maybe they found ol' GZ's blood on a brick wall or the poop bag dispenser or a sprinkler or his own gun or flashlight. For all we know he fell down or whacked his head on something (tree branch) when we heard him say, "Oh $h!t."

 

[Zak]

and I believe the investigator stated he had two of these tactical flashlights on his person that night. I'm not seeing that in the CNN transcript but I'm guessing it could have been at one of the points where they took a commercial break.

Excellent point about the photo as well.


~jmo~

It had to be during the commercial break because its not in the CNN transcripts. I watched a complete video of the bond hearing on Sunday and Gilbreath said that one was a keyring flashlight. He also said the other was about 6" long. When asked what type it was, he said it was what he would call a tactical flashlight.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

The point of all of this is, I started wondering why or how the "a%$hole" of 2/2 got away while under the "diligent" eyes of George, his gun, AND his dog. Then I noticed, NOWHERE in this police report does it say this "perp" was in his late teens. Nowhere does it say THIS bad guy was just a kid.

Seem's George's courage to pursue grew exceedingly when the "a%$hole" was just a kid, even without his dog.

That's quite a leap. First to assume that no mention of how old he was suggests he was significantly older. Second, to conclude that that proves GZ is willing to confront younger "kids", but not older men.

Another explanation is that GZ was just observing in both cases, and in the TM case, he lost TM, and then TM found and confronted GZ.

 

[Reader]

I just found this on the 18th Judicial Circuit Court documents list:

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/4-24-12a.pdf

Notice of Appearance, Waiver of Arraignment, Written Plea, Demand for Discovery, Request for Jury Trial

Dated 4/12/12 and hand delivered to SA that date

 

[KateNY]

Maybe they found ol' GZ's blood on a brick wall or the poop bag dispenser or a sprinkler or his own gun or flashlight. For all we know he fell down or whacked his head on something (tree branch) when we heard him say, "Oh $h!t."

didn't one of the callers mention that he saw him with his hands on his head?


maybe the flashlight was in his hand/palm, gave himself a lil booboo


JMHO

 

[impatientredhead]

Not all gated communities work the same. I have several friends and associates who live in gated communities. In one there is no security personality at all - just a gate where pedestrians as well as vehicle drivers have to punch the code to get in/out. In another there is also no security guards, just a coded gated for vehicles, but a side gate allows pedestrians to go in/out without a code. In another security is notorious for handing out speeding tickets... so they're out and about in their vehicles all the time, not just staying at the guard station.

In another super exclusive one into which I accidentally entered (from the back/wilderness) I've actually been stopped and escorted out. Maybe that's why I can easily picture these guys treating the unfamiliar as the suspicious - because that's how I was treated.

This is not the exact article I was looking for but it is similar. I wouldn't have thought the gated part would contribute that much to how this incident happened but it has been really interested to read about...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/opinion/the-gated-community-mentality.html?_r=1

 

[impatientredhead]

Maybe they found ol' GZ's blood on a brick wall or the poop bag dispenser or a sprinkler or his own gun or flashlight. For all we know he fell down or whacked his head on something (tree branch) when we heard him say, "Oh $h!t."

Considering they didn't handle it as a homicide scene and had come and gone in the time it took TMs folks to come back from dinner I don't think "they found" GZs blood anywhere. Can't find something you didn't look for.....

 

[grandmaj]

How long does GZ have to request protection under SYG?

 

[csziggy]

We need an approved link to discuss the calls that George made.

Is Document Cloud an acceptable link? If it is: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/327330-george-zimmerrman-911-call-history.html

 

[KateNY]

Francis has been making the media tour hailing his pal George as a hero of sorts who "saved" his home from burglary on 2/2/2012. On CNN's Soledad O'Brien show, he said:

~snip


Is Francis' place on the same end of the complex as the Rec Bldg

wonder could he see that area from his backyard....?

 

[impatientredhead]

I was looking up another case in another thread but got distracted by the TM headlines and how pro GZ they appear to be, especially to a casual reader.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57420076/zimmermans-not-guilty-plea-flew-under-the-radar/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...ade-smart-move/?tag=contentBody;storyMediaBox

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...rents-i-am-sorry/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

 

[Concerned Papa]

That's quite a leap. First to assume that no mention of how old he was suggests he was significantly older. Second, to conclude that that proves GZ is willing to confront younger "kids", but not older men.

Another explanation is that GZ was just observing in both cases, and in the TM case, he lost TM, and then TM found and confronted GZ.

BBM

IDK, all I know is what the reports say. Giving credit where it's due, they surely didn't get away the time before that. On 1/29 the subjects of his call are listed as ages 4-11.

They were right there when Officer Tim got there this time.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

This is not the exact article I was looking for but it is similar. I wouldn't have thought the gated part would contribute that much to how this incident happened but it has been really interested to read about...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/opinion/the-gated-community-mentality.html?_r=1

Yep, like I said earlier, there is a big difference between the gated and public communities.

This in particular probably true: ". Mr. Martin’s “suspicious” profile amounted to more than his black skin. ". I would go so far as to say the black skin may have had nothing to do with why he was profiled as "suspicious".

If you're black, I can see assuming that the suspicion about you is due to the black skin. And maybe that's what TM assumed, and it made him angry. But I know for a fact that simply being unfamiliar (regardless of age or race) makes you suspicious, in at least some, probably most, gated communities. I have no reason to believe that that wasn't all it took for GZ to treat TM as suspicious.