17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

[AngelWings444]

I agree that the judge needs to sort out the problem with the financial info. That is for the JUDGE to sort out. We don' t know what happened. Maybe GZ thought it could be kept separate since it was donated for his defense funds.

Maybe he outright lied, and tried to hide it. All of that will come out. But I think Crump needs to sit back and let the JUDGE take charge. Because if they keep making these super emotional, hyper dramatic speeches at every turn, it is only going to work against them, imo.

OMara admitted the problem in public and said he was going to discuss it with the judge. Imo, he was being above board.

And it is kind of funny for anyone to complain about GZ using baby pictures or unverified quotes to try and persuade the public. TM's family has an entire team of attorneys and PR people doing just that. And ONE article comes out slightly sympathetic to GZ, and everyone gets outraged.

And people have been saying for weeks that GZ should release any pictures he has of his head wound. People here have said that. And once his attorney did that, everyone complains and says he should not have done that. So it is kind of hard for him to know which direction to go, imo.

I think GZ should have been arrested that first night. I think he is guilty of manslaughter for sure, and maybe more.

But it hurts my heart for people to be piling on and making unfair assumptions and accusations. JMO

Sorry Katy. I'm not outraged by the article about GZ, or the baby pictures. I do see both sides. What I don't understand, is when people think it's fair for MOM to come out in public, GZ and family to lie about funds, but it's not OK for the victim's family to speak about the same events. Trayvon is not here to speak for himself, his family is not crying out to the public, on a daily basis. Their attorney spoke out today, about the courts and public being mislead at a bond hearing. It's their right to do so.

Once again, if MOM would shut it in public, maybe Crump wouldn't have to speak out on behalf of the victim. The Martin's and Crump have not been in the media lately, MOM has.

If my child were killed on a walk home, you wouldn't get me to shut up. If I found out the accused killer lied to have his bond lower, you can bet I would be screaming from the rooftops. The Martin's have shown nothing but dignity and class. More than I could ever do, in their circumstances.

JMO

 

[impatientredhead]

Forgive me for being lazy.. but does anyone know if the hearing this morning is on the "intraweb?" LOL.. If so.. link?
Thanks in advance!!

They can provide details like when he was last scene, what happened the following morning, what TMs personality was like, their opinion on how likely it is that TM punched GZ. The are not crucial, case hangs on them witnesses, but I can see them being called. The would be questioned by the state and MOM though, not Crump.

 

[Phoenixfla]

Why would his clients be called to the stand? They were not witnesses to GZ murdering Trayvon.

I suspect the SA will call TMs mother to the stand to identify TMs voice on the 911 call. I doubt they will call TMs father though since he said it was not TM screaming in the call.

 

[MaryAnn]

The people donating are probably as equally outraged by the system.

JMO I don't think the people donating care about the system one bit. NGA is just worried someone will take their guns away.

 

[deelytful1]

They can provide details like when he was last scene, what happened the following morning, what TMs personality was like, their opinion on how likely it is that TM punched GZ. The are not crucial, case hangs on them witnesses, but I can see them being called. The would be questioned by the state and MOM though, not Crump.

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Ummmm okay. I asked if anyone had a link to the hearing this morning....

 

[MaryAnn]

I suspect the SA will call TMs mother to the stand to identify TMs voice on the 911 call. I doubt they will call TMs father though since he said it was not TM screaming in the call.

When did TM's Father say it wasn't him? I heard it was proven to be TM by experts who analyze voice and noises.

 

[impatientredhead]

JMO I don't think the people donating care about the system one bit. NGA is just worried someone will take their guns away.

I think the majority are second amendment supporters, but I think there are many people who think he is being charged with too high of charge and that he charged only because of political pressure. When you look at the cases Florida has given immunity to there are several that are much more questionable than this one. That is why they didn't charge him the first night and only did when the public outrage boiled over. Many people find it offensive to see someone drug through the mud for the wrong reasons.

He should have been arrested that night and charged with manslaughter. That was the fair thing to do. What happened to TM that night was unfair and what is happening to GZ is unfair in the eyes of many people. Unequal application of the law.

 

[annalia]

When did TM's Father say it wasn't him? I heard it was proven to be TM by experts who analyze voice and noises.

I don't think he did say that it wasn't him. I don't have the link so just going off memory, but I think it was reported that he said that he couldn't tell because the tape wasn't clear, then they cleaned it up and he said he recognized Trayvon's voice.

JMHO

 

[who]

When did TM's Father say it wasn't him? I heard it was proven to be TM by experts who analyze voice and noises.

He didn't. That was proven false, earlier.

 

[Emeralgem]

I suspect the SA will call TMs mother to the stand to identify TMs voice on the 911 call. I doubt they will call TMs father though since he said it was not TM screaming in the call.

When did Tracy Martin state it was not TM moaning and wailing in the call? I don't remember that.. Do you have a link?

Could it be Tracy Martin was referring to the voice that cried out "HELP just as we heard a gunshot? Could it be he said that was not his son's voice? JMHO

 

[katydid23]

Sorry Katy. I'm not outraged by the article about GZ, or the baby pictures. I do see both sides. What I don't understand, is when people think it's fair for MOM to come out in public, GZ and family to lie about funds, but it's not OK for the victim's family to speak about the same events. Trayvon is not here to speak for himself, his family is not crying out to the public, on a daily basis. Their attorney spoke out today, about the courts and public being mislead at a bond hearing. It's their right to do so.

Once again, if MOM would shut it in public, maybe Crump wouldn't have to speak out on behalf of the victim. The Martin's and Crump have not been in the media lately, MOM has.

If my child were killed on a walk home, you wouldn't get me to shut up. If I found out the accused killer lied to have his bond lower, you can bet I would be screaming from the rooftops. The Martin's have shown nothing but dignity and class. More than I could ever do, in their circumstances.

JMO

I agree the Martin's have shown nothing but graciousness and dignity. Totally agree. But I do think that Crump having 3 or 4 other attorneys flooding the airwaves on a constant basis is making this too hyped up.

And I have seen or heard people from that Crump group every day. I think it is pushing OMara to keep coming out himself.

 

[LambChop]

And by trickle down it would become next to impossible to sue the HOA.

HOA agreed to the neighborhood watch program which specifically warns about carrying a gun. GZ did not follow the rules and GZ did not listen to LE which was the primary reason TM is dead. I don't think the Martin's would have a hard time making a case. jmo

 

[impatientredhead]

We are going to end up with a locked thread.
We just got a handslap warning not long ago about tolerating opposing views.

 

[Phoenixfla]

When did TM's Father say it wasn't him? I heard it was proven to be TM by experts who analyze voice and noises.

I will post the link when I am at my pc later (unless someone can help me out).

It was those experts opinion that it was TM, but far from proven. I have not yet found a case where voice experts compared a scream to a normal speaking voice. Also, they have not compared the 911 call to a sample of TMs speaking voice.

 

[impatientredhead]

HOA agreed to the neighborhood watch program which specifically warns about carrying a gun. GZ did not follow the rules and GZ did not listen to LE which was the primary reason TM is dead. I don't think the Martin's would have a hard time making a case. jmo

If GZ gets immunity I promise you that the HOAs legal counsel will argue that they are protected by the same immunity that protects GZ from a civil suit.

SYG says you cannot face civil damages for a justified shooting. It does not say that is limited to the person who pulled the trigger.

 

[katydid23]

You are allowed to "feel" anything you want, so am I.

I guess the thing is that they are his family, but not suspects or perps or criminals. So outright calling them liars and even saying they should be arrested, as I have seen some here say, seems kind of out of line. imo

What if your son was arrested for murder. I assume you would want to be treated fairly by the public.

 

[mercuriod]

HOA agreed to the neighborhood watch program which specifically warns about carrying a gun. GZ did not follow the rules and GZ did not listen to LE which was the primary reason TM is dead. I don't think the Martin's would have a hard time making a case. jmo

The HOA also sent out a newsletter TELLING the residents to contact GZ as their "go to guy" for safety issues.

 

[Just K]

Secret messages from FT to GZ on NG? Really?

IMO, GZ and others have taken lessons from The Caylee case. I said he probably had access to the TV, therefore he could see & hear his friend state every step of the way. And, some of us know that GZ was watching FT on interviews because we have heard his "Thank you" voice mail to FT.

He also, if he wanted to, had access to the written news reports. FT and his statements about the monies collected have shown up in plenty of places outside of the internet.

Just sayin', if The A's sent messages to FCA, via the memorial, the jailhouse calls, visits etc. then what makes you believe that GZ and FT don't have a similar arrangement. Some folks believe that FT has a huge stake in the outcome of GZ's legal fate.

 

[csziggy]

Mark O'Mara seems to be so used to obfuscating on behalf of his clients that he just continues to make this whole Bond Hearing, Real George Website, and PayPal situation totally unclear.

In the press conference after the hearing today, and maybe even in the courtroom he said or implied that 'the real george website' had been up for 30 to 45 days. HOWEVER, if that is true, no one knew about it until April 10th when media was notified of its existence. I believe it was actually set up on April 9th. Somewhere, on one of the previous 33 threads on this case, someone collected the GoDaddy registration information associated with that website. I am fairly certain it wasn't 30 or 45 days ago. More like 18 or 19 days ago.

Also, there was another website set up at the same time called 'real george zimmerman' (without use of 'the') and it was set to automatically hook up to 'the real george'.

George's website said:

“I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.”

He was concerned that people that he did not know were collecting monies for him, that (he wasn't receiving).

“I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.”

I think O'Mara needs to spend some time with his client, in person. Too many assumptions and too much obfuscation is going on. IMO.

I'm not going to put the name of the site here, but it is the one that GZ's previous attorneys said they had confirmed as his. If you click on the link, you can see which one - WhoIs domain information for when registered:

Created on: 08-Apr-12
Expires on: 08-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 24-Apr-12

 

[AngelWings444]

I agree the Martin's have shown nothing but graciousness and dignity. Totally agree. But I do think that Crump having 3 or 4 other attorneys flooding the airwaves on a constant basis is making this too hyped up.

And I have seen or heard people from that Crump group every day. I think it is pushing OMara to keep coming out himself.

Personally, I don't believe Crump and his associates are the one's hyping this up right now. I think some believe this is about gun rights, some think it's race, some are using it as a political platform, and some think a whole lot of things that really have nothing to do with the death of Trayvon.

I place a ton of blame on people like JO, FT, GZ's family, and GZ's original attorney's for turning this into a media circus, on his side. I blame AS for it on the other side, at the beginning.

Originally, I had respect for MOM. My respect has dwindled, as of today. I fear for our justice system. Sometimes, I think it's who has the most money, or can turn our court system into a JOKE, are the one's who get off. It's scary, and there is nothing fair or just about it. :sick:

Trayvon is being lost in this mess, and it's just not right.

As I was proofing this post, JVM said MOM is coming up on her show. :banghead::banghead::banghead: