17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

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Sensei said:
No one does not, but considering that is generally since I would not expect someone who was attacked with a weapon to have to be bruised and battered

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The story that George Zimmerman told about how he came to shoot Trayvon Martin to death delineates what you would expect to see...he claims he was fighting hand to hand with an crazed unarmed teen who is beating him so badly that his only choice to save his life is to shoot the unarmed teenager to death....THAT story would have a rational person expect that he would have significant injuries.....and I just don't see them. IMO JMHO and stuff.
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How long do you think someone should take a beating before reacting?
 
Horace Finklestein said:
He was treated by EMTs,it makes sense wasn't bleeding at the police station.
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It also makes sense that there isn't a speck of blood on him, on his neck, or elsewhere on his face or on his clothes either? Nope not buying that one IMO JMHO and stuff
 
Sensei said:
No one does not, but considering that is generally since I would not expect someone who was attacked with a weapon to have to be bruised and battered

But

The story that George Zimmerman told about how he came to shoot Trayvon Martin to death delineates what you would expect to see...he claims he was fighting hand to hand with an crazed unarmed teen who is beating him so badly that his only choice to save his life is to shoot the unarmed teenager to death....THAT story would have a rational person expect that he would have significant injuries.....and I just don't see them. IMO JMHO and stuff.
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I don't think GZ has said he was being beaten so badly that his only choice to save his life was to shoot. I think he said he feared for his life.

I'm just going to ask this, honestly. if you had a gun and someone you didn't know was on top of you, how long would you wait to use it? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking you to imagine yourself in GZ's position, with some documented (maybe minimal injuries to his face and head) on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of you, how long would you wait to fire?
 
tehcloser said:
Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-m...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OsyDEV2Hc
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This doesn't surprise me, because I don't believe GZ's story. The girlfriend said that Trayvon was afraid of the man following him. He said he was still following him and then turned and ask him why he was following him. So GZ's story is a lie. I think it is interesting also that he now appears fit, rather than portly. It was stated on a show by GZ's friend that he is now 170 pounds versus 250, but we now hear he looks in good shape. So he still was probably stronger than Trayvon who has been described as tall and skinny. I believe that GZ pushed Trayvon, but even if Trayvon did push him first (I don't believe he did) he was trying to defend himself from what he perceived as danger. It is probable that he could see the gun, whether GZ had it in his hand or his holster.
 
Sensei said:
You would think that if he shot the young man while he was on top of him that there would have been some stains on the front of his shirt, a few drops of blood surely, some powder burns maybe....IMO JMHO and stuff.
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Can you tell me what the license number of that police car is?

And you're claiming with any certainty that there's not any blood on his shirt?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
 
If Zimmerman's head gash was so serious that it needed stitches (his lawyer said it, not me) then it would not have stopped bleeding that soon.
 
I still don't get it! T should have been fighting him off. A stranger was after him.


That poor kid was the only victim!!!
 
JeannaT said:
I don't think GZ has said he was being beaten so badly that his only choice to save his life was to shoot. I think he said he feared for his life.

I'm just going to ask this, honestly. if you had a gun and someone you didn't know was on top of you, how long would you wait to use it? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking you to imagine yourself in GZ's position, with some documented (maybe minimal injuries) on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of you, how long would you wait to fire?
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I wouldn't have gotten out of my car and followed someone acting suspicious? There would have never been a reason for me to be attacked.
 
m00c0w said:
How long do you think someone should take a beating before reacting?
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Against an unarmed teenager, I would expect that he would have evidence that Trayvon did more than maybe slap him in the face....That man show NO signs of a desperate struggle for his life....No injuries that show that he was even in a fight, I have seen the aftermath of fights, big fights, little fights, and I can tell you they don't look like that IMO JMHO and stuff.
 
tehcloser said:
No he should have stayed in his car and let the REAL police take care of it....then we wouldn't be here.
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LOL, just noticed the big rabbit in your avatar is striped like a tiger!
 
m00c0w said:
Or maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media released a deceptive video shoddily recorded to stir the pot.
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I'm not sure I understand this post. Is there any reason to believe this is not a true video recorded that evening?
 
I'm quite sure he was cleaned up before being taken the police station. I mean he's not gonna be bleeding everywhere by then. Plus afterwards maybe he was taken to the hospital as well.
 
CathyinTexas said:
This doesn't surprise me, because I don't believe GZ's story. The girlfriend said that Trayvon was afraid of the man following him. He said he was still following him and then turned and ask him why he was following him. So GZ's story is a lie. I think it is interesting also that he now appears fit, rather than portly. It was stated on a show by GZ's friend that he is now 170 pounds versus 250, but we now hear he looks in good shape. So he still was probably stronger than Trayvon who has been described as tall and skinny. I believe that GZ pushed Trayvon, but even if Trayvon did push him first (I don't believe he did) he was trying to defend himself from what he perceived as danger. It is probable that he could see the gun, whether GZ had it in his hand or his holster.
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His mugshot was from 2005. the picture with him in a tie is fairly recent.

he clearly lost some weight from the pic from 2005 to the pic of him in a suit and tie.

Tm was 6 foot 3, 150-170 pounds. He was a football player.
 
JeannaT said:
He's wearing a red jacket. Maybe it was zipped up at the time of the confrontation? You certainly couldn't see blood on the red jacket in that fairly grainy video.
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But why would he zip up his jacket on a warm Florida evening? And why just unzip the jacket if he got hot? Why not take the jacket off, let LE bag it for him? It might have been more comfortable for him to take his jacket off with his hands behind his back in cuffs.

Oh and if it was a chilly night then that would explain why TM was wearing a hoodie.
IMO
 
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