2008.09.18 Tracy M Interview Audio #1

[Kentjbkent]

They do resemble each other on the surface. But your TM belongs to 2 yacht clubs, renovates zillion-dollar homes, and raises funds for the local [private?] school. I doubt if she'd take off a couple weeks to get down and dirty on Lenny's job.
Just a guess. I could be wrong.

Do we know if Tracy M (LP cohort) resides in California (like LP) or in Texas (like TP)?

 

[Kentjbkent]

If Tracy called out WS in a taped police interview like she did and Tracy is close with Tony P and LP, it sort of makes me wonder now if the others hold those same beliefs. Anyone can believe whatever they want, but when "someone" comes on here pretending to "like" this forum and all...well, my doubts are being raised.

Add in the timing of when "someone" makes his brief appearances......

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Thanks Momtective!!!

So is this the same Tracy? :waitasec:


http://www.marinfinehomes.com/index.html

Only if that watch strapped to her ankle was a Rolex.

 

[MsRyber]

Wow, there seem to be a lot of snippy comments today.

If Tracey doesn't like WS, that is her right. Even if it is based on crap reasons. Not everyone trusts discussion groups. It is hard for me to get angry with someone for having an opinion...after all, we have a lot to say about other groups, individuals, etc.

It isn't like the opinion of one person really matters. People make judgments in mere seconds....that is the tough part, IMO. If someone doesn't like a group of people, they should actually explain their reasoning...but I suppose she may not realize the influence that WS does have on cases.

 

[Kimster]

Wow, there seem to be a lot of snippy comments today.

If Tracey doesn't like WS, that is her right. Even if it is based on crap reasons. Not everyone trusts discussion groups. It is hard for me to get angry with someone for having an opinion...after all, we have a lot to say about other groups, individuals, etc.

It isn't like the opinion of one person really matters. People make judgments in mere seconds....that is the tough part, IMO. If someone doesn't like a group of people, they should actually explain their reasoning...but I suppose she may not realize the influence that WS does have on cases.

Oh, I hope you didn't think Tricia was being snippy with me? She was just giving me more information. I know she wuvs me! :blowkiss:

I don't even know if Tracey even knows what Websleuths is! She may have heard something negative about bloggers on the internet and somewhere else heard the name "Websleuths" and thought WS was a way to describe crime bloggers - not even realizing it is a forum in itself!

 

[jandkmom]

It bothers me that Tracy e-mail them after she left and said "I miss you guys". She is out of the house at that point and believes that KC killed her child and tells her she misses her. What kind of kool-aid is in the house that people are drinking?

 

[metalcrystal]

It bothers me that Tracy e-mail them after she left and said "I miss you guys". She is out of the house at that point and believes that KC killed her child and tells her she misses her. What kind of kool-aid is in the house that people are drinking?

Something just feels so wierd with all this.....I just find it all so ODD.

 

[jeepgirlva]

Was that the show based on the Anthony case? I saw that one but I don't remember a mention of WS.

Yes that one remember the two women who had evidence for the police on the bombing of the recruitment center they were from webslueths.. the police later arrested them for stealing a backpack from one of the suspects...

 

[jeepgirlva]

Really? By name?

Yes by name

 

[Searchfortruth]

Something just feels so wierd with all this.....I just find it all so ODD.

It is weird, especially after hearing their police interviews laying it out about Casey, her family and Jose. Now we hear Leonard's talking to Jose everyday, Tracy communicates, sends money to Casey in jail..? Tony comes on and doesn't seem to have a clue that any of this is going on although they are close enough to work together and even spent yesterday listening to the recently released interviews together...Tracy hates WS and the people on it...quite a bold statement and very specific to THIS forum and these members.

And it isn't really all about Tracy not liking WS...to me it's more about her continued connect with Casey and Leonards connect to Jose. The other thing is where does Tony fit into all of this with his appearances on WS ? I hate to jump to conclusions, but there was alot of pro Anthony talk by Tony and this is a forum where his views have been put out there...are there any time connections with his appearances and the doc dumps in the case ? Just wondering...

 

[Ssejors]

For anyone who is interested.
Sociopath = http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

ETA. I know this is slightly off topic for the current head of the convo but I know we were discussing possible personality disorders and I find that this seems to fit KC perfectly.
-Glibness and Superficial Charm
-Manipulative and Conning
-Pathological Lying
-Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
-Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
-Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
-Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
-Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

* A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest.
B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases.
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive.
D. Repeated assaults on others.
E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety.
F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations.
G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others.

 

[wonders]

I'm sorry but I still see no reason why any of these people need to testify. I believe there will be enough evidence just from KC and her family ( other then flapping their own lips that everyone has seen ) to convict KC. I tend to think these people are as nutty as the Anthony's.

 

[lawlady84]

A few people asked why Tracy went thru all of these stories but didn't say that she thought KC wasn't remorseful, or give her opinion. In these types of "factual" interviews, LE/the questioning attorney will often request that the person being interviewed stick to what she heard, and not opine about their thoughts. LE wants a written (taped) record of all of the little things the witness saw, no matter now inane, because the witness could forget by the time trial comes around. Tracy no doubt thinks KC is inappropriate, but she'll surely remember that in 2 years at trial - she may not remember some of these incidents.

About the giggling, it's a lot more common than you'd think. People get nervous, and want to make sure they're giving you the full, true story (good witnesses at least). If they aren't stuttering and saying "wait, wait" every minute they're probably giggling a little.

Luckily for Tracy, the jury will probably never hear her interview. Under evidence rules, open court testimony is preferred - if she's called to testify and is available, she'll be sitting there testifying. The previous interview would only be used to either "refresh" her memory (which is why its useful to have long, detailed, fact-oriented interviews), or to impeach her if she changes her story. No doubt she'd go through witness preparation beforehand, so hopefully much of the giggling would be controlled.

 

[lawlady84]

Oh, IMO if she did ask for immunity and had a lawyer with her, it probably had to do with the contracts she signed with JB. If she signed a contract that said she'd call JB if KC said anything - rather than going to the police - she might have been afraid that agreeing to that was a form of obstruction of justice.

I don't know if there actually is a statute criminalizing that conduct, but she might have been afraid of some conspiracy to tamper with evidence, or conspiracy to obstruct justice charges. Again, I don't know if those crimes even exist, but if I were her I wouldn't want to admit to police that I agreed to withhold evidence if I found any.

 

[SuziQ]

Oh, I hope you didn't think Tricia was being snippy with me? She was just giving me more information. I know she wuvs me! :blowkiss:

I don't even know if Tracey even knows what Websleuths is! She may have heard something negative about bloggers on the internet and somewhere else heard the name "Websleuths" and thought WS was a way to describe crime bloggers - not even realizing it is a forum in itself!

She was here. In fact she came here to find info, and she found it. Good thing all of us with nothing to do go out and dig up the facts and post them here for the benefit of people like Tracy. lol.

You know the ole saying...no good deed goes unpunished. lol.

 

[Riley1833]

I remember the first couple of nights when his "view" on things started to change. I was thinking, "WTF? This isn't what he would normally say!" Then, he announced that he had been hired by the defense and it all became crystal clear. His opinions were definately for sale to the highest bidder,

Hi this is my first post but I am an avid reader/ Usually I am so far behind I figure any question I might have will be answered. But I do have to ask this one. Can anyone direct me to where TP said he was hired by the defense? TIA Riley

 

[Sdavidson11]

She was here. In fact she came here to find info, and she found it. Good thing all of us with nothing to do go out and dig up the facts and post them here for the benefit of people like Tracy. lol.

You know the ole saying...no good deed goes unpunished. lol.

Didn't the lady that took the garbage bag even find print outs from WS in the A's trash? We helped them figure out something. Some grain of truth to add to the mistruths being thrown out at the time.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Okay, I have my possible theory....

Just spent a few minutes going back to the beginning when the only "player" of this foursome actually joined WS and participated. ( I LOVE the search engine!).

Interesting enough, Tony joined and made his first post on Aug 17th last year BEFORE any of the four even boarded a plane to try to bail KC out (his words...states they have not left for Orlando yet). He continually stated that LP was contacted to get involved and that they did NOT notify the media that they were coming to bail KC out, but a poster clipped a news article with a copy of the email they sent out to the media, saying "What about this?" He never replied. (tie in audio from Tracy about why they got involved in the first place)
On this same early morning, he posted at 1:52 am that he did NOT want any media attention "with the exception of the two tv interviews with Fox News." Just 15 minutes later (2:07 am) he stated he "had not been on TV (about this case) WHATSOEVER" He also complained about how terrible he was treated by the interviewer.

Tricia, sorry to say this, but even back on the first day of his postings, he was voicing his displeasure at this forum and the "BS and lies" and "opinions" of some of those on this forum. For the record, it is because of YOU and the MODERATORS here that I choose to only participate on this forum online! (And I will be happy to buy a t-shirt...size medium, please?)

Back to my theory....not going to keep typing "he said..." "he said..." anyone can pull it up and read for themselves, but what I think is going on is that for whatever reason (plan) that these four got involved in the first place, they have altered the "plan" along the way to keep whatever "gain" they are seeking active.

I think perhaps that LP, TP, and Tracy (have seen nothing about Rob so can't include him) are working in conjunction with Baez and Co to gauge public opinion (for possible change of venue motion?). I think that LP is good in front of the camera, but from what I read, Tony is not a very self confident person, especially in front of a camera with an interviewer and finds it much easier to pose questions and solicit thoughts/ideas/etc through a computer keyboard where he has some time to think about how he is going to reply, and edit it if necessary. We certainly have made it easy for him, even giving him his own "questions for..." forum.
I think this has been going on from almost the beginning of their arrival in Orlando and that Baez has gotten quite a lot of "jury consultation" information in which to try to create a defense from nothing.

I think Tracy is garnering information for Baez about the thoughts and feelings of the Anthonys (KC included) which explains her letters to KC and $$ and emails to Cindy.

(I think) TP is using the internet to gather "public opinion" as well as our thoughts of possible defenses and why they won't work, and then passing it on to.......

(I think) LP is the direct contact (on a daily basis remember?) to Baez and his team directly.

I think Rob may have jumped ship when the poop got too deep. Even his interview with LE seemed very short compared to Tracy's, and he *seemed* like the only genuine "nice guy" of the bunch. But who knows?

There...finally got it out. Hope it didn't sound snippy as that is not how it is intended!Now to try to speculate what they will gain for this involvement??? HMMMM......

 

[Kentjbkent]

Oh, IMO if she did ask for immunity and had a lawyer with her, it probably had to do with the contracts she signed with JB. If she signed a contract that said she'd call JB if KC said anything - rather than going to the police - she might have been afraid that agreeing to that was a form of obstruction of justice.

I don't know if there actually is a statute criminalizing that conduct, but she might have been afraid of some conspiracy to tamper with evidence, or conspiracy to obstruct justice charges. Again, I don't know if those crimes even exist, but if I were her I wouldn't want to admit to police that I agreed to withhold evidence if I found any.

Oh, and if my previous theory is even close, could this explain why Tracy wanted immunity and a lawyer before talking to LE...in case she accidentally revealed something she learned that she reported to Baez, but NOT to LE....

 

[The Eunice Burns]

*respectfully snipped*

Yeah, I'm going to take this opportunity to apologize to the WS community because I let this very issue get to me the other day and I kind of took it out on you guys. I apologize for that.

I have major issues concerning this...lol. I know there are some of these folks posting here, but that doesn't mean I have to believe they are acting on the right side of justice.

But then again, what does my opinion matter? I'm just a loser Websleuther with no life - other than my career, my continuing education, my community service, my children, my patents and my published papers. I'm not sure why society even keeps me around. I guess I should be giving my money to KC and writing her love-letters so that I can be considered a contributing member of society.

/rant off

Val, I want to say this, but I also want to avoid stirring the pot, so I will try and be careful....Just to let you know, I was relieved by your post that day, as you will see below.....

The day you allude to in your post above......I got it (your post) and so did some others. We were few in number, and I posted about my confusion after you signed off. You are not the only one that had a WTH? moment w/ the topic being discussed. I am way, way behind on this particular thread, but after just reading briefly.....I am still confused about some things. One of them is why TP is telling us that LP is in up to his neck w/ JB, but won't/can't tell us why. Also, LP's interview released yesterday is "inaccurate"? The more I read, the more puzzled I become, and a little frustrated by the contradiction in attitudes in the Padilla camp.

MOO And mods, I hope I kept this post in the right vein. I truly am not trying to start trouble, but I am genuinely confused about all this.:waitasec: