2008.09.22 Tim Miller Coming Back & Leonard Padilla Talks RE: Cindy/Casey Fight!

[SeriouslySearching]

Woah. Greta was off on her day and dates and threw Clint off, too.:

US Father's Day is Sunday, June 15 2008
According to http://www.holidays.net/dates2008.htm

We really should take this whole discussion here to the Theories thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2724671#post2724671

 

[JiannaBean]

VAN SUSTEREN: So let's go to this arbitrary June 15 I picked, that Saturday before Father's Day. The next day is Father's Day. Do you remember Father's Day?

HOUSE: Yes, but I was up in Jacksonville.

VAN SUSTEREN: With your own father.

HOUSE: With my own father. Yes, ma'am.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you talk to Tony or Casey and know where they are?

HOUSE: No, I was too busy hanging out with my dad and...

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you return from Jacksonville?

HOUSE: On Sunday, the 16th.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember if Sunday night, Casey was there?

HOUSE: I believe so, yes, she was there. Caylee wasn't there. You know, like I said, I was still staying there up until July 1. She was there a lot, you know? It's really kind of hard to put a number on the times that she was there, but she was there a lot.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403801,00.html

Wait I am confused June 15 was a Sunday and June 16 was a Monday

 

[JustMy2Cents]

They might not have known ALL of Casey's friends. And remember, Cindy said they did talk to her almost daily... they had no reason to suspect anything was amiss, so Cindy says, until they were notified that the car had been towed. Also... weren't they away somewhere for a couple weeks in that time?

Bull and more bull. CA was familiar with myspace and she could easily followed KC's friends and shot them an email or comment to their page if she was really concerned with finding her. She was probably more worried with 'looking bad' and not like the 'perfect family' than finding her g daugter. And if, and that's a BIG if, she was in contact with KC daily I'm sure it wasn't sweet nothings they were exchanging based on the big blow up on the 15th and the fact that she was possibly entertaining the thougt of getting custody of sweet Caylee.

 

[JustMy2Cents]

Unfortunately, as grandparents, they would have had NO authority to take Caylee away from Casey. If they had and Casey would have called the police, then the police would have made them give Caylee back. It is all well and good to think, Oh I would have done something differently, I would have taken her away from her, etc., BUT, there was no legal grounds for it at all-they could not PROVE she was a "sociopath" or it would have been very hard, and even then, I am not so sure that BEING a sociopath is a legal reason to have your child taken away by the grandparents. Cindy and George had NO power to do anything, short of restraining Casey and locking her up in her room and keeping her prisoner-there was not REALLY anything that they could do in that moment when Casey said, I am leaving and my daughter is going with me. A court hearing would have been weeks if not months in the making to work out a custody hearing, which they would have LOST in all likelihood, and it was just a bad situation all the way around.

As for why they did not try for immediate custody-it is NO easy task to take a child away from her parent-it is actually a near impossibility unless the parent agrees to it...Even when the parent is a criminal, a drug user, a molester even, the courts do EVERYTHING to try to keep the child with the parent. Sadly, this is the state of REALITY and not what we WISH were so.

Not true. If KC did in fact steal 25K or 40K worth of money from CA and she was proven to have stole from her grandparents NH fund, they would have had lots of options. They could have pressed charges against her and then left her in jail by not bailing her out and THEN applied for temp custody. That would have gotten the ball rolling in their favor. But did they? NO. Why? Because that would have ruined their perfect image they were so desperatly trying to protect. Once again, it's never been about Caylee.

 

[icherish]

Yes, that's definitely one possibility.

Those words have haunted me since hearing them. Another possibility, IMO, is that Casey confessed everything to her mother between the last 911 call and when she was first arrested. Or, she confessed to Lee who told his mom everything. I think they have known what really happened since the day of her first arrest.

Her words could have meant, "Of course you know what my involvement is because I told you."

In the audio of Casey talking to Cindy from jail, Casey says "You don't know what my 'involvement' is and stuff?" If you listen carefully, you'll notice Casey accentuates the word "involvement."

If she was being sarcastic because Cindy really knew, I think the accent would be on the words "you don't know." JMO

 

[Chezhire]

I thought, she said "You don't know what my involvement is?" (Edit: Like she was offended that her mom thought she could be involved.) I can't remember for certain, but that's what I thought she said.

Yes. And I took it it the way she said it as, "OF course you know because you were there!" Just my opinion...

I agree with you on this one, SS.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with you on this one, SS.

(Saving this! LOL)

 

[kiki the parrot]

Hi, I'm new and will try putting my toe--and two cents--in here... Glad to meet so many fellow sleuthers on this case and to see thread re argument. I believe this is HUGE re timeline as it explains two things: How a narcissist like Casey could see being kicked out by her mother--yet asked to leave Caylee--as the "ultimate betrayal" (after which even subconsciously neglecting or endangering her "object of envy" is not a quantum leap). It accounts for change in Caylee's circumstance too as Casey had to this point never really taken "charge" of her own child who, as we know, was "Cindy's"). Within 24 hours of this Caylee was likely deceased, in likely another tragic silent toddler drowning--presumably within an hour of returning home. Her cell records would clearly indicate she was AT the home (after she left "for work," she called George to be sure he'd left before going back there but notably made no calls home in that flurry because they were there). And at which location there were only a limited number of "accident" scenarios. A perfect tragic storm, after remembering and discovering Caylee too late no one responded when she tried to reach (likely due to the heated ugly confrontation re stealing from grandparent the previous day). So having then concealed the horrible truth and hidden Caylee, she avoids facing Cindy and taking responsibility by going into "hiding." While being denied a chance to speak with Caylee, Casey goes on spinning her web of lies assuring Cindy repeatedly that Caylee is fine, and Cindy is secretly relieved, ie praying and hoping that maybe just maybe her daughter might finally be stepping up by earning some income for a change and acting like a responsible parent. Sadly nothing could be farther from the truth. When Casey insists during questioning that "If I'd wanted to be free of Caylee I would've simply left and given custody to my parents," I believe this is exactly what she DIDN'T want--and what they argued about. Caylee had provided her with an excuse for not moving out on her own living and so as long as the two stayed together she had thought Cindy would not put her lazy, lying behind out. Chloroform searches came later--for clean-up purposes--the only question is by WHOM. I am still trying to piece together exactly when Caylee was transferred to--and from--trunk since George has maintained when he opened trunk "for gas cans" he saw and smelled nothing (I guess it could've been later that day the 24th, or the next, that Caylee's body was moved?) Once Caylee was placed from backyard into trunk Casey drove around with her in the trunk until a safe dumping site could be found. But a neighbor still recalls a horrible argument--and after Casey racked up $40k in fraudulent credit card charges, even (enabling, excusing) Cindy, it seems, put her foot down at stealing from an aging grandparent. Nothing earthshattering here, but I do agree the argument was KEY and too little has been said of this.

 

[Kristie19]

But then what about the 911 call and the dead body in the darn car? I just can't wrap my head around that. She was losing it! I still don't think the GPs were involved in any coverup at least not before that call...I just can't say what they're up to now aside from total and complete self delusion.:waitasec:

I totally agree with you. All of the times I have heard that 911 call, it just doesn't seem like acting. Why would she call 911 and say she wanted her daughter arrested if she was involved? And why would she tell Casey that she wasn't going to give her one more day. I think they are just so distraught and living in a world of denial. They made mistakes, such as not letting Casey rot in jail, but I can't see them doing anything to Caylee.

 

[Kristie19]

In the audio of Casey talking to Cindy from jail, Casey says "You don't know what my 'involvement' is and stuff?" If you listen carefully, you'll notice Casey accentuates the word "involvement."

If she was being sarcastic because Cindy really knew, I think the accent would be on the words "you don't know." JMO

I agree with you there too. I think she was saying "how can you NOT believe me?" Also if you remember, she told Casey she wouldn't be in this situation if she hadn't lied. Remember during the interviews and LE said that CA kept calling to find out more? Just doesn't seem to me that she knew anything at all.

 

[jerchers]

Nooooo... Quite the opposite, I think it shows the pattern of the apple falling not far from the tree. The pattern of physical abuse as well as lying. If her parents thought that violence was an acceptable solution to problems, so would Casey, and think nothing of harming her daughter.

If Casey was my daughert I would do more then have my hands around her neck. I have to grown children and I can remember ever hitting them.
I am a grandmother now-by daughter said to me Mom if I ever go nuts and do something that might harm my child -beat me untill I stop-she cant listen to anything about this case --its makes her sick--I said dont worry I will

 

[HopeAgainstHope]

In the audio of Casey talking to Cindy from jail, Casey says "You don't know what my 'involvement' is and stuff?" If you listen carefully, you'll notice Casey accentuates the word "involvement."

If she was being sarcastic because Cindy really knew, I think the accent would be on the words "you don't know." JMO

When I first heard this I simply thought Casey was mocking with the word involvement because the word is pretty vague and I'm sure that people were already talking about murder charges even that first night. Casey is saying "mom you think I'm a murderer and you're using a wishy washy word like involvement?" and I also think she was angry that her mom didn't seem to be buying the ZFG story 100% as she expected. Basically she was POed mommy wasn't backing her up and said as much on TV. This guilt tripping seemed to work and Cindy did a 180.

 

[kwmred]

Isn't Casey the one who told LP that Cindy put her hands around her neck?

Since EVERYTHING else of substance that has come out of Casey's mouth has been a lie, I give this a very small probability of being true. Sounds like Casey trying to get some sympathy from LP.

I think this goes to show motive.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I am a grandmother now-by daughter said to me Mom if I ever go nuts and do something that might harm my child -beat me untill I stop-she cant listen to anything about this case --its makes her sick--I said dont worry I will

He he he, funny.

 

[beetrue]

The only thing that Tim said was he was going to come back. The search was called off temporarily. So, I figure the announcement will be either when they intend on coming back or if they have decided not to.

 

[maza]

Great, if Cindy is this abusive to an adult Casey, you can bet it will be used at trial that she was abusive when Casey was a child.
Yet another out for Casey. She can now explain everything from the chloroform searches to the failure to bond with Caylee.

hmm... if Casey is a sociopath, and i am leaning toward thinking she is, prosecution could perhaps show that Casey provoked Cindy? Esp. if there are no prior reports or witness of Cindy abusing Casey....

 

[Mags630]

The upshot is important: if KC left that night in a huff, toting Caylee along, then CA's story about the nighty-night tuck in is "incorrect" and so is GA's tale about seeing them leave the next day (?) just like any normal day, with his complete description of clothing. BTW, from what I recall KC spent the night of the 15th with TonE, no Caylee. eek

This has been one of my biggest questions since Clint was on Greta. Where was Caylee the night of the 15th?

 

[CanManEh]

What tv are you watching i have greta van sustren too and last night all i seen was all stuff about the election or the wall street stuff i watched her untill 10 to 11 the full hour not one mention of caysee's case so what are all of you talking about all she does is crap on the election now i havn't seen her talk about the case in a long time so unless im watching a different greta van sustren then i dont know what you are all talking about she most certinally did not have anything on this case last night not on the 10 to 11 oclock hour anyways.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

Above is the link to the 9/22 Dana Pretzer radio broadcast. Tricia has given me permission to start this thread. Among Dana's guests tonight were Tim Miller and Leonard Padilla. Tim spoke about a conversation he had with Cindy last night and about coming back to Orlando (also quite a bit about Aruba). Leonard dropped another bombshell as NG would say and claims that Cindy literally had her hands on Casey's throat during the Father's Day argument.

This would explain a lot regarding how the Anothony's are reacting. They must feel they caused this. I have a feeling Casey felt threatened not only physically but also most likely Cindy confronted her with taking Caylee away. It may be Caylee was murdered as an act of revenge.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Kiki: "If I'd wanted to be free of Caylee I would've simply left and given custody to my parents," I believe this is exactly what she DIDN'T want."

I completely agree. The gasoline, and shovel I believe most likely fall along the same time line and was used for burning and disposing of the body. Casey had cash, she had stollen from Grandpa and Grandma and had taken money from Amy so she didn't need extra gas. Most likely she went for the shovel, couldn't find it, but found the gas, snagged that and then borrowed the shovel from the neighbors.