2009.01.07 - Annie's D. Interview (Document Release 2009.04.06 / 2009.09.29)

[MAMABEAR]

Thanks TWA (haha) but i am not much of a sleuther, like some here, who are very scientific and precise, we need them more! But I operate 100% on intuition, any time I try to ignore it, I screw up. Hey, animals live by intuition, its how they stay alive.

:blowkiss:
If this was "dog" world---you would be our lil bloodhound.:detective:

 

[jeepgirlva]

These are kids in their early twenties, and sitting in the State's Attorney's Office or the Sheriff's Department I am sure has them more frightened than they have ever been, about anything. They are not going to admit to doing or selling drugs. They know, that everything they say is going to be released publicly, that means their parents are going to find out. Worse yet, any friends or dealers they name are going to know they ratted them out, and the repercussions of that likely have their heart pounding too. You are so right, of course they are lying and I don't know why I didn't just get that from jump.

They caught Ricardo in lies about selling photos to the Globe, when they did the poly on TL, he changed his original story about waiting in the car while KC went in the house and got the gas cans to he got out, and helped her break the little lock off to get the cans out of her dad's shed, Annie started out with adamant no, never, no one I knew and eventually cried and coughed up a Sean D.'s name as someone she knew took some of her Xanax. So yes, they are scared, young and likely lying. Thanks. I like you because you are straight up, no sugar coating and no excuses. You are what this case needs. We are not at a tea party, this is a murder of a baby, no time for holding back. Love your posts!

ITA so what is the truth and what's a lie ...they all have said that KC was a good mother...and can't believe she would hurt Caylee on purpose but could be covering up an accident..

 

[The World According]

Thanks TWA (haha) but i am not much of a sleuther, like some here, who are very scientific and precise, we need them more! But I operate 100% on intuition, any time I try to ignore it, I screw up. Hey, animals live by intuition, its how they stay alive.

Thanks for helping me earlier about the drugs question all the same!

 

[The World According]

ITA so what is the truth and what's a lie ...they all have said that KC was a good mother...and can't believe she would hurt Caylee on purpose but could be covering up an accident..

It was possible that she looked up chloriform , being curious about having seen Ricardo's image "Win her over with Chloriform" on his computer, just to find out what the heck. If there was just the one search, and not the searches for household weapons and neck breaking...... and the trunk having evidence of chloriform, I could have held out hope it was an accident like her brother, boyfriends and best girlfriends all hoped. I still think her parents think it was an accident and that is why they are cutting her so much slack. They know KC is responsible, they just don't think it was cold blooded murder, they think it was an accident and she is too scared to admit it. Lee as much as said so when talking to Tony. How they reconcile the computer searches I do not know, and the trunk evidence they understand is irrefutable, but they are hoping and praying the dream team can convince a jury otherwise, as they did in the OJ Simpson case, and in the first Phil Spector case. By the time a year and half passes loyalties may change and someone may come forward.

 

[Duckley]

I agree about the drug use. The sudden change in behavior, suddenly not caring about your child, not working or going to school, promiscuity, and stealing money too. Classic signs of drug addiction.

However, two things don't fit with a drug addiction scenario. No traces of hard drugs (that we know of) have been found or even talked about in this investigation (except the Xanax). Pot isn't hard enough to cause such a downward spiral. And, relatively speaking, KC looked great. Clear skin, bright eyes, etc. She never looked like she was on drugs (except that shot where she's walking in handcuffs in the light blue hoodie and looks possessed).

Just because Casey's friends report that she was a good mom or at least that she gave the appearance of being a good mom in front of her freinds, does not make it so. Scott Peterson's in laws thought he was a good husband ...

Sociopaths are adept at being whoever they need to be at any given moment to get attention, to get what they want, to create an effect...

Casey may have loved Caylee. Casey may have done many wonderful things with and for Casey - she may have been a good mother... but she may also have resented Caylee, been jealous of Caylee, blamed Caylee and seen Caylee as an object that could be used.

I guess my point is was there really a sudden change?

 

[Duckley]

It was possible that she looked up chloriform , being curious about having seen Ricardo's image "Win her over with Chloriform" on his computer, just to find out what the heck. If there was just the one search, and not the searches for household weapons and neck breaking...... and the trunk having evidence of chloriform, I could have held out hope it was an accident like her brother, boyfriends and best girlfriends all hoped. I still think her parents think it was an accident and that is why they are cutting her so much slack. They know KC is responsible, they just don't think it was cold blooded murder, they think it was an accident and she is too scared to admit it. Lee as much as said so when talking to Tony. How they reconcile the computer searches I do not know, and the trunk evidence they understand is irrefutable, but they are hoping and praying the dream team can convince a jury otherwise, as they did in the OJ Simpson case, and in the first Phil Spector case. By the time a year and half passes loyalties may change and someone may come forward.

I dont know if the searches need to reconciled with an accident. She may have contemplated killing Caylee (or her parents for that matter) and did the searches. Caylee's death later on may have been an accident - in the sense that she did not intend to kill Caylee on that day at that time in that manner.

Caylee's death could have been unintended - due to Casey's inattention (i.e. texting a friend and leaving Caylee unsupervised in the pool or in the bath) , a fit of rage, dosing her with the wrong amount of chloroform or xanex or whatever. She said in her police interview how afraid she was of Cindy's reaction. She feared admitting that she was responsible for Caylee's death - so she tried to cover it up.

Regardless if this was a case of premeditated cold blooded murder or death due to neglect and abuse, Casey is guilty IMO and needs to be put away!

 

[DAWN TREADER]

At times, I can't help but wonder if the only thing KC might actually fear is Cindy. She certainly didn't seem fearful or even worried in the presence of law enforcement even as she admitted lying to them. More like supreme indifference. "Uh-Huh". YAWN. Got gum?

 

[eddeva]

Can you believe how they sound EXACTLY thew same? Creepy

this is OT and for that i apologize, however it is also a matter of some urgency.
zippity, i'm begging you to take down the jack sparrow stuff!
i used to come here and read through the threads ... learning ... debating ... but not anymore.
now i get maybe 3 or 4 posts down, see one of yours and come to a dead stop. it's hypnotic. i just sit here, staring and drooling

... add a pic of spike from 'buffy the vampire slayer' and i'll have to be forcibly removed from the computer screen by 5 or 6 burly and very determined men!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include loss of inhibitions, seizures

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression.


According to LE she was sleeping only three hours a night very often. The night sweats, the crying out of the blue, and by contrast the overly happy go lucky, light of the party that everyone described her as. I believe now this is what she was on. One of my best friends is a doctor. I will ask him about it. Thanks Nate!! I will try to open a thread and see if anyone else can help us with this drug.

I find her behavior, staying up all night texting and talking on the phone, odd too. I know when my kids were young, I was so exhausted by 10 at night (many times before that) and laying down to go to sleep was heaven ! Even with one child, a toddler, it can be exhausting, not that Casey was your regular mother, but it's strange...all that energy ! I have no idea if it was drugs or some mental disorder, or if it was just Casey, I do know it's not normal.

 

[jjgram]

Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include loss of inhibitions, seizures

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression.


According to LE she was sleeping only three hours a night very often. The night sweats, the crying out of the blue, and by contrast the overly happy go lucky, light of the party that everyone described her as. I believe now this is what she was on. One of my best friends is a doctor. I will ask him about it. Thanks Nate!! I will try to open a thread and see if anyone else can help us with this drug.

Sounds Sad !
Sounds S C A R Y ! ! ! ! ~ Sounds Like KC to me....

:behindbar:liar::tipsy::argue::rage:nline::smoochiesmilie::nerves::talker::talker::talker:uke::cop::cursing::rocker::beersign::too much info:cguru::spinner::highfive::bedtime::behindbar

JMO
God Bless !
jjgram

 

[jjgram]

I find her behavior, staying up all night texting and talking on the phone, odd too. I know when my kids were young, I was so exhausted by 10 at night (many times before that) and laying down to go to sleep was heaven ! Even with one child, a toddler, it can be exhausting, not that Casey was your regular mother, but it's strange...all that energy ! I have no idea if it was drugs or some mental disorder, or if it was just Casey, I do know it's not normal.

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Thanks !

I agree ! Not Normal !
But
KC is KC & she is Not giving up being KC even :behindbar: camera: :deal: :book: :book::book: :cold::highfive: rinces: :lipssealed: :lipssealed: :lipssealed: :lipssealed: :lipssealed: :lipssealed:

:waitasec:

God Bless !
jjgram

 

[cecybeans]

Okay, I'm so OT I'm actually on topic!

I went back and read the posts about how it sounds like Annie is helping to corroborate KC's story in her interview DESPITE all the distancing she does at the beginning. I find it particularly odd that she practically acts like she has hardly seen her at all in a year or so but then they are SUCH bff's that she just has to sneak over and spend the night after her "personal problem". Not to mention the fact that CA and GA go flying out of the house to smuggle her in. I've already said here that I think it has to do with the ZG22 stuff and Annie's tickets. But I'm trying to think of all the ways she subtly reinforces in her testimony things KC and her defense might have deemed helpful for if her real agenda is to CYA about the ZG22 business.

For one, she makes a point of talking about KC telling her she wanted to be institutionalized at some point. It strikes me that a few months later Lenamon was all over the PPD deal in an attempt to get the death penalty dropped. That might have been in the works already.

Secondly, she does a great job of trying to set up JG as a possibility - with motive and opportunity to get in KC's car trunk. We know that's been a defense theme ever since CA jumped on the bandwagon and after KC conveniently emphasized to her parents when she was in jail that she just "didn't trust" him. Getting Annie to testify to that would be very helpful to KC.

Third, that bit about distancing herself from KC until practically the slumber party, making it look like they just didn't hang out much any more. If their dual traffic citations were on May 24, that was only a couple of weeks before the cookies hit the fan - and certainly means they were seeing each other socially. That may have been the real reason for her to push for that; if she knows that she and another "ZG" got a traffic citation the same day, and she actually KNOWS who the other "ZG" is, then that is an even bigger hole in KC's entire ZFG Nanny story - one she would have had to know from the very very beginning. (Wonder if that was why LA advised her to "tell the truth" and not protect KC). I've always had a problem with Annie and the Xanax theory - I'm sure CA's medicine cabinet made getting stuff like that from others pretty unnecessary - although it was the only time in the interview she broke down into tears.

Can anyone else think of points Annie brought up that might have been seeded into her testimony to help KC's version of things?

 

[The World According]

I wondered the exact same thing. I sure would like to know what crisis Annie was having that would trump KC's to the extent that she needed to be "taken to her now". I'm a little surprised they didn't ask her about that.

Why did George and Cindy go pick her up and bring her to the house? It had to have been something extremely serious happening to her, like a deati in her family?

 

[GoneWithTheWind]

I find her behavior, staying up all night texting and talking on the phone, odd too. I know when my kids were young, I was so exhausted by 10 at night (many times before that) and laying down to go to sleep was heaven ! Even with one child, a toddler, it can be exhausting, not that Casey was your regular mother, but it's strange...all that energy ! I have no idea if it was drugs or some mental disorder, or if it was just Casey, I do know it's not normal.

Sounds like crystal meth to me. One can stay up for days. However, the lack of sleep and the drug itself eventually makes the user psychotic, crazy, with unpredictable behavior.

 

[zippitydo]

this is OT and for that i apologize, however it is also a matter of some urgency.
zippity, i'm begging you to take down the jack sparrow stuff!
i used to come here and read through the threads ... learning ... debating ... but not anymore.
now i get maybe 3 or 4 posts down, see one of yours and come to a dead stop. it's hypnotic. i just sit here, staring and drooling

... add a pic of spike from 'buffy the vampire slayer' and i'll have to be forcibly removed from the computer screen by 5 or 6 burly and very determined men!

LMAO! Ok, just let me keep him for a few more days, please!:blowkiss:

 

[claudicici]

...i still don't believe kc was into any heavy drugs at all...not at all,she does not fit that profile...

 

[natsound]

Just because Casey's friends report that she was a good mom or at least that she gave the appearance of being a good mom in front of her freinds, does not make it so. Scott Peterson's in laws thought he was a good husband ...

Sociopaths are adept at being whoever they need to be at any given moment to get attention, to get what they want, to create an effect...

Casey may have loved Caylee. Casey may have done many wonderful things with and for Casey - she may have been a good mother... but she may also have resented Caylee, been jealous of Caylee, blamed Caylee and seen Caylee as an object that could be used.

I guess my point is was there really a sudden change?

I really feel like their was. I feel like, somewhere along the line, she fell into a dark hole and stayed there. From friends' accounts, she wasn't a big partier up until she started hanging out with certain people. I think it was Annie who said she would only go out once a month, and often she would only have one drink or be the designated driver (I remember something along those lines). I said earlier that I think KC always had sociopathic tendencies (the lying, morphing, etc.) and if drugs were involved they were the icing on the cake to create the perfect monster capable of..... you know what.

 

[natsound]

Sounds like crystal meth to me. One can stay up for days. However, the lack of sleep and the drug itself eventually makes the user psychotic, crazy, with unpredictable behavior.

I think if it were crystal meth we would see it in her physical appearance. People hooked on CM have rotten teeth and look absolutely horrible.

 

[natsound]

I dont know if the searches need to reconciled with an accident. She may have contemplated killing Caylee (or her parents for that matter) and did the searches. Caylee's death later on may have been an accident - in the sense that she did not intend to kill Caylee on that day at that time in that manner.

If so, that would be a MAJOR coincidence. I believe when you're investigating murder, there's no such thing as coincidence. If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck....

 

[MAMABEAR]

I think if it were crystal meth we would see it in her physical appearance. People hooked on CM have rotten teeth and look absolutely horrible.

My knowledge on drugs would fit in a thimble----I am still trying to figure out how they use bamboo shoots (use it for pipes or grind it up and smoke it). But the use of meth wouldn't rot the teeth unless it had been used over a period of time---right? If she had been using it for say a month or 2 then what would she look like? I have seen peeps that look like you said tho. The kids told me that these peeps used meth and thats what happened to them. I never could figure out why they would use that crap when they know how it's made. That is scary in it's self.