2009.05.21 Annie D. Deposition

[Searchfortruth]

Did the police ever question Annie about that e-mail she sent Tony ?

 

[Searchfortruth]

I am now wondering and confused by the "she didn't graduate" comments now myself. I have seen the docs from the high school that show the code that is supposed to mean she graduated, but cannot understand why CA, GA, and LA all state that she didn't graduate. In GA's interview with FBI, I believe, he states that she didn't graduate, she was a half credit shy and was supposed to make that up, but she never went thru with it. I wonder if CA could have had a "discussion" with the school personel assuring them that KC would complete the 1/2 credit needed in the summer, she wasn't going to walk with her class and that is punishment enough, she should at least have her senior transcript show that she graduated, blah, blah, blah. We have all seen at this point how CA can get when she has her mind made up about something, so now I am wondering if she didn't convince someone at the school to put the code on there, showing she graduated BEFORE she actually completed that last half credit, and then failed to follow thru with KC and get her to do it. MOO, of course, but I just can't see why all 3 members of her immediate family state that she didn't graduate if the only thing she failed to do was walk with her class.

Makes me wonder if Casey might have had that transcript produced on her own ?

 

[texaslb218]

Makes me wonder if Casey might have had that transcript produced on her own ?

Reminiscent of SP? He so wanted to be somebody, and now he IS!!!

 

[celticthyme]

( New Poster here)I can understand
Annie not wanting to know details /?information Casey may or may not have been willing to share
As a Mom of 3 kids ranging in ages from 19 to 26, 2 of whom are in college, I can not help but consider how this entire Casey Anthony nightmare, has affected and changed their lives for ever. Each of her friends/acquaintances were insidiously drawn into this Sociopath's web of lies and deceit . They are pretty young and immature to have to process that kind of betrayal, let alone the murder of an innocent child. None of them were angels, but they had to grow up overnight, being dragged into the legal ramifications of a police/FBI investigation and media limelight, through no fault of their own. The idea of someone they know even harming a beautiful, bright, innocentchild , let alone killing her, then covering it up and pretending nothing ever happened, has to affect them on so many levels. We as adults, are baffled by all of this pathologic, criminal and self-serving behavior.

 

[texaslb218]

( New Poster here)I can understand
Annie not wanting to know details /?information Casey may or may not have been willing to share
As a Mom of 3 kids ranging in ages from 19 to 26, 2 of whom are in college, I can not help but consider how this entire Casey Anthony nightmare, has affected and changed their lives for ever. Each of her friends/acquaintances were insidiously drawn into this Sociopath's web of lies and deceit . They are pretty young and immature to have to process that kind of betrayal, let alone the murder of an innocent child. None of them were angels, but they had to grow up overnight, being dragged into the legal ramifications of a police/FBI investigation and media limelight, through no fault of their own. The idea of someone they know even harming a beautiful, bright, innocentchild , let alone killing her, then covering it up and pretending nothing ever happened, has to affect them on so many levels. We as adults, are baffled by all of this pathologic, criminal and self-serving behavior.

Welcome! And great first post!

 

[lisalei321]

( New Poster here)I can understand
Annie not wanting to know details /?information Casey may or may not have been willing to share
As a Mom of 3 kids ranging in ages from 19 to 26, 2 of whom are in college, I can not help but consider how this entire Casey Anthony nightmare, has affected and changed their lives for ever. Each of her friends/acquaintances were insidiously drawn into this Sociopath's web of lies and deceit . They are pretty young and immature to have to process that kind of betrayal, let alone the murder of an innocent child. None of them were angels, but they had to grow up overnight, being dragged into the legal ramifications of a police/FBI investigation and media limelight, through no fault of their own. The idea of someone they know even harming a beautiful, bright, innocentchild , let alone killing her, then covering it up and pretending nothing ever happened, has to affect them on so many levels. We as adults, are baffled by all of this pathologic, criminal and self-serving behavior.

:Welcome-12-june:

 

[kageykaren]

I am now wondering and confused by the "she didn't graduate" comments now myself. I have seen the docs from the high school that show the code that is supposed to mean she graduated, but cannot understand why CA, GA, and LA all state that she didn't graduate. In GA's interview with FBI, I believe, he states that she didn't graduate, she was a half credit shy and was supposed to make that up, but she never went thru with it. I wonder if CA could have had a "discussion" with the school personel assuring them that KC would complete the 1/2 credit needed in the summer, she wasn't going to walk with her class and that is punishment enough, she should at least have her senior transcript show that she graduated, blah, blah, blah. We have all seen at this point how CA can get when she has her mind made up about something, so now I am wondering if she didn't convince someone at the school to put the code on there, showing she graduated BEFORE she actually completed that last half credit, and then failed to follow thru with KC and get her to do it. MOO, of course, but I just can't see why all 3 members of her immediate family state that she didn't graduate if the only thing she failed to do was walk with her class.

Who and what would keep an apparently smart, attractive girl with goals (?),not proceed in getting that diploma that would put her in good standing with friends and family. Someone knows out of that senior class just what was going on in KC world. This is when those school records would come in handy to LE, to form a background profile. Would a sociopath in the making stay completely silent during one of her most important times in her life or is it another case of KC hateing cA more than graduating with your class? There is something odd about this time in Kc's life. Just what was going on that last semester of highschool till her pregnancy? Wish we had all those internet social groups she belonged to during that year and a half, leading up to the pregnancy. It makes me think in her twisted thinking that she tried on the hat of mothering for size and it just didn't work for her and she was eager to return to the ,"Girl who had no baggage" Thats when KC ego became ."Girl interrupted" and had to make new plans. One of those plans was phishing for guys on My Space and TL took the bait. The warm fuzzies Caylee brought with having her as a baby were wearing thin as she aged.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Did the police ever question Annie about that e-mail she sent Tony ?

I was wondering if we had seen all of Annie's interview.

 

[debbie0604]

Question...and sorry if it's already been asked/answered...but do they receive the questions ahead of time...can it be requested? I know Casey was given written questions, but if Annie got them as well then she knew exactly how she was going to answer each and every question. The only way anyone could trip her up is if they testified to something that contradicted what she said. As far as I can tell, that would leave only the As. So the whole visit with Casey can be anything she wants it to be. Another script? The one thing that REALLY bothered me about her deposition was her relating that Casey said Caylee would be home before her 3rd birthday. That NEVER happened...at least NOT during her visits. Caylee's birthday had come and gone by then.

PS- Tracy was in the home during these visits, correct? Wonder what her take is on it.

I think that KC told her that junk about Caylee being home before her third birthday because KC had trumped that up already and was telling her parents that. I think that as far as knowing what questions were going to be asked, I think that her attorney knew the kind of questions that were going to be asked based on her statements to LE. He had probably already prepped her for what was coming.

That's a good point about Tracy being in the home. She did say that she went over there after KC was bailed out the first time. Very good point!! :clap: Now after reading those emails to TL, I'm wondering when those were sent. Before her visit with KC or after the dope statements were made public? I'm inclined to believe like the others here that she was with CA and pushing those questions on him for her, because those questions do not sound like questions from a "friend" from the core group. I'm inclined to believe that she thought that TL could possibly have been involved with Caylee's disappearance, based on her statement that she "believed that someone had Caylee."

It's kind of sad in a way. I was thinking the whole time I was listening to her deposition that she doesn't understand the "maternal bond" of having a child yet. I experienced that bond while I was pregnant with my first born. She hasn't grasped at all what it's all about. One day, when she is married and is having her first baby, this will come back to her and she will realize the significance her testimony had on this case, and the heartbreak that everyone has suffered.

 

[debbie0604]

I was wondering if we had seen all of Annie's interview.

I watched what I think was all of her interview on JM's website, and to my recollection, they did not question her about the emails. That's why I was glad you linked them to me.

 

[debbie0604]

I am now wondering and confused by the "she didn't graduate" comments now myself. I have seen the docs from the high school that show the code that is supposed to mean she graduated, but cannot understand why CA, GA, and LA all state that she didn't graduate. In GA's interview with FBI, I believe, he states that she didn't graduate, she was a half credit shy and was supposed to make that up, but she never went thru with it. I wonder if CA could have had a "discussion" with the school personel assuring them that KC would complete the 1/2 credit needed in the summer, she wasn't going to walk with her class and that is punishment enough, she should at least have her senior transcript show that she graduated, blah, blah, blah. We have all seen at this point how CA can get when she has her mind made up about something, so now I am wondering if she didn't convince someone at the school to put the code on there, showing she graduated BEFORE she actually completed that last half credit, and then failed to follow thru with KC and get her to do it. MOO, of course, but I just can't see why all 3 members of her immediate family state that she didn't graduate if the only thing she failed to do was walk with her class.

I don't think that CA could have the school counselor indicate on KC's transcript that she had completed a 1/2 credit, if indeed she had not. If I'm not mistaken the school transcript has to be submitted to the state. I think CA can be manipulative, but not to everyone. I just don't think that would happen, because in order to obtain the 1/2 credit, the class and/or student has to take an EOCT (end of course test) and the scores have to reflect that they have earned the credit, and the state grades the tests. (That's the way it is here in GA - my youngest is in high school).

I think what happened is that KC got pregnant, and CA was ashamed of her and made her drop out and become a mother. Then to humiliate her, told everyone that she didn't graduate. JMO

 

[RR0004]

( New Poster here)I can understand
Annie not wanting to know details /?information Casey may or may not have been willing to share
As a Mom of 3 kids ranging in ages from 19 to 26, 2 of whom are in college, I can not help but consider how this entire Casey Anthony nightmare, has affected and changed their lives for ever. Each of her friends/acquaintances were insidiously drawn into this Sociopath's web of lies and deceit . They are pretty young and immature to have to process that kind of betrayal, let alone the murder of an innocent child. None of them were angels, but they had to grow up overnight, being dragged into the legal ramifications of a police/FBI investigation and media limelight, through no fault of their own. The idea of someone they know even harming a beautiful, bright, innocentchild , let alone killing her, then covering it up and pretending nothing ever happened, has to affect them on so many levels. We as adults, are baffled by all of this pathologic, criminal and self-serving behavior.

I agree...but the question in my mind remains then...why be drawn back into that?

ETA: WELCOME!!

 

[RR0004]

I don't think that CA could have the school counselor indicate on KC's transcript that she had completed a 1/2 credit, if indeed she had not. If I'm not mistaken the school transcript has to be submitted to the state. I think CA can be manipulative, but not to everyone. I just don't think that would happen, because in order to obtain the 1/2 credit, the class and/or student has to take an EOCT (end of course test) and the scores have to reflect that they have earned the credit, and the state grades the tests. (That's the way it is here in GA - my youngest is in high school).

I think what happened is that KC got pregnant, and CA was ashamed of her and made her drop out and become a mother. Then to humiliate her, told everyone that she didn't graduate. JMO

Wrong year, though.

 

[debbie0604]

Wrong year, though.

Another possibility could be that she was supposed to graduate in 2004, which would mean she could have gotten pregnant with Caylee around November of 04. Maybe she was seeing Caylee's father during that time and not at home much, and not keeping up her grades. It's possible that CA didn't like the father for some reason (obvious - since there has never been a child support order and his name has never been revealed), and CA was interfering (as usual). Just a possibility.

 

[celticthyme]

Regarding being drawn back into it; When Annie stayed overnight with Casey, it was early, I'm not trying to make excuses for her, but I'm not sure those really close to her even imagined that Casey could have killed her baby, especially because to them, she seemed to be such a "good mom." And again, according to Annie, she was having her own problems, thus showing their lack of maturity, to think of anyone else but themselves. It seems so much of the interactions of these folks was pretty superficial. MOO!

 

[MAMABEAR]

I watched what I think was all of her interview on JM's website, and to my recollection, they did not question her about the emails. That's why I was glad you linked them to me.

Sorry---I meant the interview with LE/FBI. Was wonderin if they have held any ovet back.

 

[chefmom]

I agree...I don't understand it. I'd really like to know if she stopped going to classes altogether sometimes toward the end of her senior year.

Yes, ITA! I mean, it seems like they want everyone to believe that they do everything so well. Why would they all say the same thing about KC if ti weren't true? I'd expect them to lie about it, as with everything else!

 

[LambChop]

Another possibility could be that she was supposed to graduate in 2004, which would mean she could have gotten pregnant with Caylee around November of 04. Maybe she was seeing Caylee's father during that time and not at home much, and not keeping up her grades. It's possible that CA didn't like the father for some reason (obvious - since there has never been a child support order and his name has never been revealed), and CA was interfering (as usual). Just a possibility.

Didn't KC start working for Universal in 2004? Maybe she did not have time to finish once she started her job.

 

[EgyptNug]

They go off camera when talking about things leading up to KC and the "fake id" and did Annie know anything about her having one and the traffic ticket on May 24.

Veeeerrrreeee interesting that they break here and come back and don't mention it again.

23 Q Let me clarify something else. I guess you
24 got a traffic ticket at some point in time?
25 A I've had a couple.
1 Q Was there one around Memorial Day last year or
2 May 24th or so?
3 A Of last year?
4 Q Yes. I'm just looking at some things here,
5 that you got, I guess, a traffic ticket.
6 A The last one I got was a speeding ticket and
7 seat belt violation. When it was I don't know. I know
8 where I was, but --
9 Q Was anybody with you?
10 A No.
11 Q You were by yourself?
12 A I was by myself.

Right, right - I should have clarified. I heard that KC did not, according to Annie, have a fake ID that she knew of, and then it seemed as though they were leading somewhere when they broke off for a break - I just think there was something discussed off camera. Just a hunch.

I think the mention of that ticket is the most telling part of this depo. Is this the first time we have heard mention of the ticket outside of the internet? I think the fact that they opted to halt further discussion is 1. to let her know that LE knows (and worry her enuff to tell-all to LE) (cuz i think they are working with LE/SA on this case) and to let the defense know about the ZFG id thing.. and 2. to let it come out during the trial..

IF (and that's a huge "if") the ID they grabbed from her wallet was a ZFG one, and they can link CA to the ticket/ZFG, then Case Closed! hoping,hoping,hoping!

ETA: I am worried about AD's specificity in saying she was alone and on the phone with KC during the ticket.

 

[RR0004]

Regarding being drawn back into it; When Annie stayed overnight with Casey, it was early, I'm not trying to make excuses for her, but I'm not sure those really close to her even imagined that Casey could have killed her baby, especially because to them, she seemed to be such a "good mom." And again, according to Annie, she was having her own problems, thus showing their lack of maturity, to think of anyone else but themselves. It seems so much of the interactions of these folks was pretty superficial. MOO!

Hmmm, I wonder where Annie's mom is? Gosh, if my daughter ran that idea by me there's no way that I'd let her go over there. There was a gal with a gun in the home for Pete's sake. I truly believe this whole thing was contrived by CA. I wish I had the time to line up Dante's posts with all this coming and going. He gave a lot of insight into how the old "friends" felt.