2009.06.19 FBI Decomposition Report

[Gaia713]

What IMO the reports tell

There was a dead body Casey's car trunk
The air quality of the trunk was consistent with that of a decomposing child (based on the air sample of an actual dead child left in a trunk. Not some "junk science" technique).
The level of chloroform in the trunk was higher than normal
The chloroform in the trunk was made from a mixing acetone and chlorine
The smell of death in the trunk did not come from a dead squirrel (based on the air sample of an actual dead squirrel)
The smell of death in the trunk did not come from pizza (based on the air quality sample of dead pizzas)
There was so much chlorine in the trunk some of it leaked out of the trunk into the wheel well
Duct tape was placed tightly on Caylee's mouth

[Feel free to correct me since IDK what the H I'm talking about. ]

In conclusion: Caylee was murdered possibly with a combination of drugging her with chloroform and suffocating her with duct tape. Her dead body was placed in Casey's trunk. (based on the fact that a single strand of Caylee's hair post mortem was retrieved from the trunk of Casey's car).

Who placed Caylee's dead body there? Suspects: Casey, George, Cindy, Lee, Jessie Grund (They all had a key to her car according to Casey)

So we have to figure out who was in possession of the car and Caylee at the estimated time of death?

There is no evidence substantiating that anyone else but Casey was in possession of Caylee and Casey's car on and around the estimated time of death. Casey herself, not ZFG left the car at Amscot. The LE has the video tape to prove it.

Casey herself was the last person seen with Caylee according to her father George.

To believe that the nanny took Caylee and murdered her would mean that she somehow got Casey to put Caylee's dead body in the trunk of her car. The same holds true for the other "suspects"

Not once did Casey ever state that someone other than herself was in possession of her car during that time period.

In addition, if someone else did kill her child and place her dead body in her car trunk why didn't she report it as soon as she discovered the dead body?

So, either Casey killed Caylee and placed her in the car trunk, dumped her body and then dumped the car. Or she was an accomplice to the same.

I have yet to read the details, but they said on TV that the ducct tape was also across her nasal cavity - that would indicate suffocation - there was a murder in Canada where the person was suffocated by placing duct tape over her face.

Also, the shirt found on or near the body is exactly the shirt that George reported seeing her in as Caylee and Casey left the house. That narrows it down considerably imo

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I've always wanted to ask if the use of chlorine bleach would discolor the trunk liner if someone attempted to use it to clean the liner? :waitasec:

Assuming it does not and can be explained as a possible cleaner, we know that acetone is a prescribed carpet cleaning solvent for ... chewing gum. :eat:

If your asking if plain ole everyday Clorox Bleach will stain a trunk liner the answer is yes! Or it bleached the carp out of mine. To this day when I buy bleach, the lid is retwisted at the store, triple bagged and propped up with other stuff so there is no way it can fall over.

 

[Gaia713]

Not necessarily. They could have only come into contact with the decomposition that was a by product of the dead body and never actually touched the body at all.

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Adipocere is very stable. Animals avoid it.

It may not have been wrapped around her entire head, but it was wrapped far enough around to have caught in her hair and to have held there after all that time. It was around far enough to do what it was intended to do.:furious:

It was wrapped enough to secure the mandible to the skull. This normally disarticulated with decomposition, yet hers waas still attacked.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

That was great! Despite all of this terrible news coming out today...sometimes you need a laugh.
The Defense can do nothing with this. The decomposition found on the paper towels in the car completely and utterly flies directly in the face of any nanny story. It all is coming together like a puzzle...all of the i's are being dotted and the t's are being crossed to help spell out: Casey Anthony is GUILTY.

That and she was Ruthless in doing so. Then allowed her child to be torn apart by animals while she bumped and grinded. It's no wonder the DP is back on. The gall of JB to say he is not worried about the reports, if he isn't he should be.

 

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Or KC's finger's. After all she probably had to get somewhat stoned before tackling the task at hand.

(sung to the tune of Row, Row, Row Your Boat):

Clean clean clean the trunk
Mop up all the slime
Take a toke and hold the smoke
And blow your @%$&ing mind
:tipsy:

Not sure if this has been asked, with the duct tape on the gas can, (they were metal) do you think perhaps this is what she mixed the chloroform in? I do not know if they tested the inside of the gas cans that were taken into evidence. It dissipates quickly, would it even be detected after a few months>?

 

[RR0004]

Just wanted to note where I got this, because it is not explicitly pointed out in the report. Reviewing this excerpt from page 6555:

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The amount of chloroform found in the trunk was measured in the low parts per million range, where as normal human decomposition is low parts per trillion range. One trillion is one million million.

Looking a couple pages later ...

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... we see that acetic acid was present in the trunk scrapings. While it is possible the presence of acetic acid could be due to the slightly acidic level of the carpet, it is also a byproduct of producing chloroform from chlorine and acetone.

So, as much as I thought "naw...KC is way to stupid and lazy :bang: to produce home-made chloroform", the report is pretty much telling us "Yeah, we think she actually did."

Ok...don't hurt me...but could the chlorine and acetone have come in cleaning products...and because Casey was most intent on cleaning the trunk...she unwittingly created chloroform?

ETA: I'm talking about the products in their pure form.

 

[static]

Ok...don't hurt me...but could the chlorine and acetone have come in cleaning products...and because Casey was most intent on cleaning the trunk...she unwittingly created chloroform?

She may have just had it in the trunk and poured it out from the gas can into the trunk, creating a gas chamber effect. Because it dissipates so quickly, it would not be detected in the hair and bones. If I am wrong on this someone please correct me. I do not want to make any wild speculations, but just wondering if the spot where it was poured onto (if indeed that happened) would have remained in that spot.

 

[MissJames]

Ok...don't hurt me...but could the chlorine and acetone have come in cleaning products...and because Casey was most intent on cleaning the trunk...she unwittingly created chloroform?

ETA: I'm talking about the products in their pure form.

It just seems unlikely to me that anyone would use pure acetone and chlorine to clean.I would think that they would use a cleaning product that would have other chemicals or additives that could be found through testing.
I'm just guessing,though. I think LE and SA will have that covered if they go with suspected chloroform used on Caylee.

 

[Shear22]

It just seems unlikely to me that anyone would use pure acetone and chlorine to clean.I would think that they would use a cleaning product that would have other chemicals or additives that could be found through testing.
I'm just guessing,though. I think LE and SA will have that covered if they go with suspected chloroform used on Caylee.

I agree. CA is a clean freak. I'm sure the Anthony house had a lot of better cleaning supplies that KC would have gone for before chlorine and acetone.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I'll venture a little OT with you...

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This part just to prove that you went OT willingly

Actually makes sense to me, having her in the laundry bag from the beginning. As far as we know she did not back into the garage on the 16th, so she had to get the body into the trunk without fear of being noticed. Putting a laundry bag in the trunk would not look unusual. :shakehead:

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Minor point, but, we as far as we know, she may or may not have backed into the garage 6/16. Recall, Brian was driving back from Chicago 6/16, hence, we don't get the benefit of his observations 'till 6/17.

I'm just about done w/ my hair-splitting tool. Anyone wanna borrow it?

 

[RR0004]

It just seems unlikely to me that anyone would use pure acetone and chlorine to clean.I would think that they would use a cleaning product that would have other chemicals or additives that could be found through testing.
I'm just guessing,though. I think LE and SA will have that covered if they go with suspected chloroform used on Caylee.

Well, I'm wondering if girl genius needed to step it up a notch...remember what she was attempting to clean up. So curious if she made trips to a local hardware store.

 

[ThoughtElf]

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This part just to prove that you went OT willingly

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Minor point, but, we as far as we know, she may or may not have backed into the garage 6/16. Recall, Brian was driving back from Chicago 6/16, hence, we don't get the benefit of his observations 'till 6/17.

I'm just about done w/ my hair-splitting tool. Anyone wanna borrow it?

No. You wield it ever so well.

We know better. Stop with your exquisite logic and tell us what you really think. :crazy:

 

[RR0004]

FBI Decomposition Report

Two bombshells for me:

• The chloroform in the car was unusually high - about one million times higher than a normal decomposing body at that stage.

• The paper towels found in the garbage bag removed from the trunk had evidence of decomposition on them, indicating KC attempted to clean the mess, and threw the used towels into the bag from Tony's apartment.

Question...the part about the chloroform was very confusing to me. Didn't they refer to an adult decomp event in the trillions?

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Perhaps one of these days we will get a look at Cindy's credit card statements to determine what was purchased with them and when. Something tells me this could be a big part of the puzzle.

 

[kew17]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/040609casephotosset2/1/lg/8.htm

Just wanted to post a pic taken of the contents of the trash bag that was in the trunk of the Pontiac. This paper towel portion of the report has my interest. Me thinks this is as close to "smoking gun" as it gets. Now my question I pose, is from this paper towel can they determine any evidence that KC used it? (such as prints or possibly epiphilials - spelling escapes me - sorry)

 

[Just Jayla]

Just wanted to note where I got this, because it is not explicitly pointed out in the report. Reviewing this excerpt from page 6555:

View attachment 4172

The amount of chloroform found in the trunk was measured in the low parts per million range, where as normal human decomposition is low parts per trillion range. One trillion is one million million.

Looking a couple pages later ...

View attachment 4173

... we see that acetic acid was present in the trunk scrapings. While it is possible the presence of acetic acid could be due to the slightly acidic level of the carpet, it is also a byproduct of producing chloroform from chlorine and acetone.

So, as much as I thought "naw...KC is way to stupid and lazy :bang: to produce home-made chloroform", the report is pretty much telling us "Yeah, we think she actually did."

Nail polish remover and pool store chlorine? Mixed by an amateur, so maybe even more volatile?
ETA, can't have been chlorine for her parent's pool, I believe they use a non-chlorine mixture, IIRC.

 

[scandi]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/040609casephotosset2/1/lg/8.htm

Just wanted to post a pic taken of the contents of the trash bag that was in the trunk of the Pontiac. This paper towel portion of the report has my interest. Me thinks this is as close to "smoking gun" as it gets. Now my question I pose, is from this paper towel can they determine any evidence that KC used it? (such as prints or possibly epiphilials - spelling escapes me - sorry)

Hi Kew, It seems that way as they were found with her body and used to wipe up the fluids in her car. There could easily be fibers too on those towels that sloughed off in the car trunk.

In that photo I'm trying to see the towels. It looks lilke there might be one to the right side of the photo. And then about 2/3 across the photo a bunch of them on one hook? Is that right? Ta

 

[okiedokietoo]

FBI Decomposition Report

Two bombshells for me:

• The chloroform in the car was unusually high - about one million times higher than a normal decomposing body at that stage.

• The paper towels found in the garbage bag removed from the trunk had evidence of decomposition on them, indicating KC attempted to clean the mess, and threw the used towels into the bag from Tony's apartment.

needed to be posted again

 

[Bittiness39]

No. You wield it ever so well.

We know better. Stop with your exquisite logic and tell us what you really think. :crazy:

Maybe BJB is too modest. All I know is BJB is pretty darn smart. Would love it if BJB just posted a theory (from soup to nuts so to speak)....here kitty kitty.

 

[Virtual Truth]

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My turn to play Captain Obvious today, OK?

...and in the bag from Tony's apartment meaning it was post-disposal...and close to 6/27. IMHO when Casey texted Amy, "There was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to the frame of my car." @ 11:34AM 6/27...4mins after leaving G&C's and ~13mins before running outta gas @ Amscot it was because she'd just done the paper-towel cleaning @ G&C's...couldn't toss the decomp-soaked-towels out @ G&C's house. That she took a trash bag from Tony's (not a new one from G&C's) suggests she had the cleaning in mind when she left Tony's...perhaps even having @ it in Tony's parking lot...although less likely, 'cause methinks she woulda tossed it in the dumpster as she existed the parking lot there.

Just a shame she forgot to get rid of it in the dumpster that was 4 feet away when she ran outta gas :doh:

Or, was her intent to "frame" TonE or one of his friends by putting the paper towels into his trash????