2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

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celticthyme said:
One thing that helps to get perspective of this area, is to go to google maps using Suburban & Hopespring Drive, Orlando, Fl, and get the satellite view . . . ( sorry I can't remember the A's address) but I don't think you need it.
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Someone upthread was saying they weren't able to access it right now - I wonder if it is in any of our threads...
 
celticthyme said:
One thing that helps to get perspective of this area, is to go to google maps using Suburban & Hopespring Drive, Orlando, Fl, and get the satellite view . . . ( sorry I can't remember the A's address) but I don't think you need it.
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Thanks I was, and that was what was so mysterious...the houses all look well kept. They also look bigger than they are though. I did finally see the privacy fence though.
 
lemon said:
I have been reading here forever but haven't had much to add until just now.

KC says in her first phone call home "I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No." this has bothered me for a long time because it feels like a rare honest statement but at the same time my gut feeling (heh) is that she does know where Caylee is. Until now I had been looking at that statement as if she may have had help in dumping the body. I think that idea kept me from seeing an alternative.

What we know:
-DC was poking around on Suburban and was very close to the body but did not find it (we assume).
-Parts of the body had been moved around the general area by animals and by weather.
-Neighbors said there had been a bad smell during the 31 days and that a dead dog had been found and determined to be the source of the smell.
-Hurricane Fay hit Florida August 18–24
-The laundry bag was found in a depressed area, like the bottom of a big dried up puddle.

What we assume:
-KC turned onto Suburban and parked at the end of the fence, got out, walked across the small clearing, and threw the laundry bag containing Caylee into the woods.

But what if... The reason DC did not find Caylee's remains was because the info he had to go on was based on where KC entered the woods to throw in the bag? And what if KC actually parked a little further up Suburban and entered the woods from BEHIND the crime scene, rather than approaching it from the small clearing (aka "the front")? Watch the DC video: as they walk along the road they zoom the camera in on every little break in the foliage that could be a path back into the woods, but that small clearing is never shown. Why is that?

So say KC entered the woods from further up Suburban, through a small path through the trees, and dumped the bag. Animals started to prey upon the contents and drag it off. During the 31 days the neighbors say they smelled something bad. So the body was very much decomposing at that time. I assume this is when the animals would have been most attracted to the area and done most of their damage. I also assume that the first act an animal would do is to take it's piece of the body to a different location so that any other animals attracted by the smell would not get it. So lets assume the body was separated pretty soon after KC discards it.

Then say she comes back towards the end of the 31 days (for whatever reason, maybe to check her handiwork/see if she was still homefree) but she could not find the body because it was no longer where she left it (further back in the woods) due to the animals. Hence, "I have no clue where Caylee is" is both an honest and dishonest statement.

And it ties into DC because how can he (allegedly) have directionsfrom KC, be so close, know exactly what to look for and still find nothing? Notice he doesn't approach the woods from that little clearing? Wouldn't that be a logical place to look? I think it would be. It was for Kronk. Well, not for DC because he's (allegedly) following KCs directions and she didn't enter from that clearing. And due to the animals, she doesn't really know where the actual body is anymore. She can only tell him to enter the woods where she did, look for the pavers that she noted when dumping the body, and keep an eye out for the trash bag/laundry bag that she put the body in. And perhaps DC is there, not to move the body, but to find out where it went/if it's visible. Because even KC doesn't know at that point, and that scares her and Baez.

This is where Fay comes in. DC could not find the laundry bag because he was looking for it at the original dump spot but the animals had drug it into that depressed area during the 31 days and the rain from Fay had kept it submerged in the bottom of a big muddy puddle. I think in the DC video, when he is poking at the pink blanket, Caylee's skull might be directly behind him, past the spiky plants. Look at the video and note those spiky plants. Those look like the same spiky plants in the crime scene pictures, with the police's blue tent set up. I looked through the DC video and I don't think I see those kind of plants anywhere else. And note that there seems to be a path through the woods to his right (our left). This is the path I think KC walked down to dump Caylee, not through the little clearing by the fence.

I am not great at visualizing the crime scene map vs the video vs pictures, so I fully expect someone with a better understanding of it to prove me wrong. But here is the DC video (spiky plants and the path at 5:05) and the photo (I think the path is behind the blue tent, which would mean at 5:05 DC is standing somewhere behind the big tree on the left side of the crime scene picture).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04rfgU5E8A
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lemon, great post! :wagon:
 
The reason I don't think that info came from Casey is because in the video it shows DC digging dirt with a little garden tool close to the house. He moves wood and proceeds to dig in the dirt for what I believe would be a shallow grave. Casey didn't bury Caylee. Now the trash bags sure make me think he knew. DC told Hoover Caylee was dead and they were going to get her and went to this location makes me positive he knew something crucial. I think it's very possible that evidence may have been buried and that is why he was digging in the dirt.
 
strach304 said:
The reason I don't think that info came from Casey is because in the video it shows DC digging dirt with a little garden tool close to the house. He moves wood and proceeds to dig in the dirt for what I believe would be a shallow grave. Casey didn't bury Caylee. Now the trash bags sure make me think he knew. DC told Hoover Caylee was dead and they were going to get her and went to this location makes me positive he knew something crucial. I think it's very possible that evidence may have been buried and that is why he was digging in the dirt.
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I have never been convinced that the digging with the baby hand tool was related to the search of the woods with the poker. Do we know the amount of time between the two tapes? So, they might or might not be related to his 'tip' that led to the woods, kwim?
 
A_News_Junkie said:
Google earth works.

Even re-sized it blew the margins! So here is the big one: http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/dominic%20video/Caylee/googleearthcapture3122011.jpg

Also, posting the two years later video that I like to play on mute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldg7ZLDP3cs
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YUK! I should have muted!
So that is 2 years growth after being dug into the earth 4 to 6 inches deep.
There would have been so much brush cover all she would have to do was toss and run. No digging needed.
So I don't have to search my whole Saturday away, does any one know when she pinged there ?
TIA
 
ANJ, thank you for re-posting the two years later vid. What struck me this time viewing it (no sound, thank you also for that reminder) is this: I can imagine KC standing there with the bag containing Caylee... she enters the woods... takes a few steps in, and it's creepy and overgrown and disgusting and she doesn't want to get bitten by bugs or run into any critters... she doesn't want to go too far into the scary woods... so she just flings the bag as far as she can, and scurries away.

I know this is not new. But it makes me sad and angry all over again, that even in disposing of Caylee's remains, it was ALL. ABOUT. KC.
 
chakti said:
YUK! I should have muted!
So that is 2 years growth after being dug into the earth 4 to 6 inches deep.
There would have been so much brush cover all she would have to do was toss and run. No digging needed.
So I don't have to search my whole Saturday away, does any one know when she pinged there ?
TIA
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Right, no digging needed...dump and run. the brush and vegetation present at the time did all the covering needed to hide Caylee who was in a laundry bag then stuffed into a black garbage bag..
bbm
Every time she pinged at the A home
(this area is very close to the A home and the pings would be the same)
 
logicalgirl said:
IMO - a perfect analysis...

and thank you for the Mark Furhman reminder - I was wracking my brain up thread to include his name in a list of "the baby is dead"
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Hi Logical,

Thanks - I never realized MF said revealed this until someone on this site spoke of his book and his telling about the conversation he had with George and Cindy.
 
ynotdivein said:
ANJ, thank you for re-posting the two years later vid. What struck me this time viewing it (no sound, thank you also for that reminder) is this: I can imagine KC standing there with the bag containing Caylee... she enters the woods... takes a few steps in, and it's creepy and overgrown and disgusting and she doesn't want to get bitten by bugs or run into any critters... she doesn't want to go too far into the scary woods... so she just flings the bag as far as she can, and scurries away.

I know this is not new. But it makes me sad and angry all over again, that even in disposing of Caylee's remains, it was ALL. ABOUT. KC.
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I think that video should be compulsory viewing for ICA, along with the somber music accompaniment. :twocents:
 
A_News_Junkie said:
I have never been convinced that the digging with the baby hand tool was related to the search of the woods with the poker. Do we know the amount of time between the two tapes? So, they might or might not be related to his 'tip' that led to the woods, kwim?
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I don't think it was either. And the thing that sticks in my mind is that he told JH they were going to get Caylee. Not maybe find her. Not we're going to see if she's there, not this is a likely place where she might be, no uncertainty whatsoever, but we're going to get Caylee. Now, I don't know if Casey said anything or not, but he was CERTAIN Caylee was there. How did he have such certainty as to where she was unless someone told him that she was there for sure? I do agree that yes, it made sense to look there, and yes, Casey is not likely to admit what she did and where Caylee's body was. But he was totally CERTAIN she was there. I just can't get that out of my mind, and it bothers me to no end. Why was he so certain she was definitely there and that they were going to get her that day? Was he just bluffing for JH, or did someone tell him that that spot is where Caylee definitely was?
 
chakti said:
YUK! I should have muted!
So that is 2 years growth after being dug into the earth 4 to 6 inches deep.
There would have been so much brush cover all she would have to do was toss and run. No digging needed.
So I don't have to search my whole Saturday away, does any one know when she pinged there ?
TIA
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Anyone know the answer: I think she was pinging in this area multiple times after July 16th.
 
lemon said:
I have been reading here forever but haven't had much to add until just now.

KC says in her first phone call home "I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No." this has bothered me for a long time because it feels like a rare honest statement but at the same time my gut feeling (heh) is that she does know where Caylee is. Until now I had been looking at that statement as if she may have had help in dumping the body. I think that idea kept me from seeing an alternative.

What we know:
-DC was poking around on Suburban and was very close to the body but did not find it (we assume).
-Parts of the body had been moved around the general area by animals and by weather.
-Neighbors said there had been a bad smell during the 31 days and that a dead dog had been found and determined to be the source of the smell.
-Hurricane Fay hit Florida August 18–24
-The laundry bag was found in a depressed area, like the bottom of a big dried up puddle.

What we assume:
-KC turned onto Suburban and parked at the end of the fence, got out, walked across the small clearing, and threw the laundry bag containing Caylee into the woods.

But what if... The reason DC did not find Caylee's remains was because the info he had to go on was based on where KC entered the woods to throw in the bag? And what if KC actually parked a little further up Suburban and entered the woods from BEHIND the crime scene, rather than approaching it from the small clearing (aka "the front")? Watch the DC video: as they walk along the road they zoom the camera in on every little break in the foliage that could be a path back into the woods, but that small clearing is never shown. Why is that?

So say KC entered the woods from further up Suburban, through a small path through the trees, and dumped the bag. Animals started to prey upon the contents and drag it off. During the 31 days the neighbors say they smelled something bad. So the body was very much decomposing at that time. I assume this is when the animals would have been most attracted to the area and done most of their damage. I also assume that the first act an animal would do is to take it's piece of the body to a different location so that any other animals attracted by the smell would not get it. So lets assume the body was separated pretty soon after KC discards it.

Then say she comes back towards the end of the 31 days (for whatever reason, maybe to check her handiwork/see if she was still homefree) but she could not find the body because it was no longer where she left it (further back in the woods) due to the animals. Hence, "I have no clue where Caylee is" is both an honest and dishonest statement.

And it ties into DC because how can he (allegedly) have directionsfrom KC, be so close, know exactly what to look for and still find nothing? Notice he doesn't approach the woods from that little clearing? Wouldn't that be a logical place to look? I think it would be. It was for Kronk. Well, not for DC because he's (allegedly) following KCs directions and she didn't enter from that clearing. And due to the animals, she doesn't really know where the actual body is anymore. She can only tell him to enter the woods where she did, look for the pavers that she noted when dumping the body, and keep an eye out for the trash bag/laundry bag that she put the body in. And perhaps DC is there, not to move the body, but to find out where it went/if it's visible. Because even KC doesn't know at that point, and that scares her and Baez.

This is where Fay comes in. DC could not find the laundry bag because he was looking for it at the original dump spot but the animals had drug it into that depressed area during the 31 days and the rain from Fay had kept it submerged in the bottom of a big muddy puddle. I think in the DC video, when he is poking at the pink blanket, Caylee's skull might be directly behind him, past the spiky plants. Look at the video and note those spiky plants. Those look like the same spiky plants in the crime scene pictures, with the police's blue tent set up. I looked through the DC video and I don't think I see those kind of plants anywhere else. And note that there seems to be a path through the woods to his right (our left). This is the path I think KC walked down to dump Caylee, not through the little clearing by the fence.

I am not great at visualizing the crime scene map vs the video vs pictures, so I fully expect someone with a better understanding of it to prove me wrong. But here is the DC video (spiky plants and the path at 5:05) and the photo (I think the path is behind the blue tent, which would mean at 5:05 DC is standing somewhere behind the big tree on the left side of the crime scene picture).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04rfgU5E8A
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Ohhh lemon, hitting the Thanks button just wasnt enough `~ TY for posting this link..it takes you to not just this eery video which I recall watching some time ago..and it still does make the hair stand up :sick:..You could tell very clearly that DC was on a mission, and had very clear directions, including those phone calls he made while looking/poking around...You ARE RIGHT, poor Caylee's remains were moved by critters VERY soon after dumping..:sick:

I wonder how he/they (DC/Hoover) will handle their questioning during the trial..??? I look forward to that testimony!!

BTW..this link takes you to a treasure trove of video's !! I must have watched half dozen :crazy:..Boy oh boy, so many memories coming back to my frontal lobe now!!!

Thanks again lemon :seeya:
 
Solace said:
Anyone know the answer: I think she was pinging in this area multiple times after July 16th.
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16th pings.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73218"]Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

15th pings.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74429"]Ping Map for July 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Ooops these are for July.

Here is June 15th. :)
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73267"]Ping Map for June 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
Solace said:
Thanks Tulessa. :seeya:
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June 16th. :)

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73218"]Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
LyndyLoo said:
Ohhh lemon, hitting the Thanks button just wasnt enough `~ TY for posting this link..it takes you to not just this eery video which I recall watching some time ago..and it still does make the hair stand up :sick:..You could tell very clearly that DC was on a mission, and had very clear directions, including those phone calls he made while looking/poking around...You ARE RIGHT, poor Caylee's remains were moved by critters VERY soon after dumping..:sick:

I wonder how he/they (DC/Hoover) will handle their questioning during the trial..??? I look forward to that testimony!!

BTW..this link takes you to a treasure trove of video's !! I must have watched half dozen :crazy:..Boy oh boy, so many memories coming back to my frontal lobe now!!!

Thanks again lemon :seeya:
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He had a camera -- what I want to know, is what pics were on that camera and did LE get them!
DChadcamera.jpg


BTW Lemon, I snagged a few screen caps and put them here for ya: http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/dominic%20video/Caylee/Dominic%20Casey%20video/
(Ignore my file names, as they indicate creepy shadows (bag) etc that I saw when I saw the cap!)
 
Sorry I put this on the wrong thread..it belongs here I think~~

Me thinks the Anthony's have all perfected the skill of weaving "Fairy Tales"..but after watching that Video of Dom. Casey searching right where Caylee was..I have to wonder just HOW CINDY will explain her sending him on that MISSION!!??? Cindy has alot of "S'plainen" to do!! No way will I believe for a minute that she put Casey Speak together and figured it out..also that she didnt share that with LE?? I tend to think ,They were (IF Found Caylee) about to tamper with the crime scene...and for me that is unforgiveable!!! Cindy and perhaps George sure have alot of SECRETS ..This trial is going to just break their spirit all together and who knows, their direction by Cindy to locate Caylee completely Blows their theory of Caylee still being alive
 
LyndyLoo said:
Sorry I put this on the wrong thread..it belongs here I think~~

Me thinks the Anthony's have all perfected the skill of weaving "Fairy Tales"..but after watching that Video of Dom. Casey searching right where Caylee was..I have to wonder just HOW CINDY will explain her sending him on that MISSION!!??? Cindy has alot of "S'plainen" to do!! No way will I believe for a minute that she put Casey Speak together and figured it out..also that she didnt share that with LE?? I tend to think ,They were (IF Found Caylee) about to tamper with the crime scene...and for me that is unforgiveable!!! Cindy and perhaps George sure have alot of SECRETS ..This trial is going to just break their spirit all together and who knows, their direction by Cindy to locate Caylee completely Blows their theory of Caylee still being alive
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Red by me:

What if they actually did find her and tamper with the crime scene. It could explain why there was no "smoking gun" evidence found at the scene..... Things that make you go "hmmmmmmm"........
 
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