2009.10.02 JB & TM on Early Show

[Reagan]

Wow. casey had tons of motive. I mean, she created elaborate lies so that she could leave her baby with her parents and party instead of taking care of her child. Her lies were so complex and well though out that you just know she really wanted to be out partying. casey refferred to her child as a "little snot head". She seemed jealous of the bond her mom had with Caylee, and seemed to resent the control her mom exerted of her and over Caylee. casey's latest paramour stated firmly that he did not want kids and if he had one he wanted it to be a boy. Caylee was not welcome ther to spend the night. Once grandma started wising up that casey was not working nights, she refused to babysit. casey's friends were having fun partying whernever they wanted, going on cool trips to PR and not having to take care of a little snot head. casey felt trapped. Once she realized she couldn't leave the baby with her mom every night and couldn't take the baby to Tony's either, her recourses became very limited. casey was trapped. This is evident by her e-mails in which it is very obvious that she wants desparately to go out, does not want to tell her friends she cannot and keeps stalling them, hoping she will find a way to get her parents to watch the child. Same thing with the trip to PR. It's pathetic.
casey's conversations show someone desperate to be independent from the child that shackled her and the mother that criticized her. casey both hated her parents and demanded they adore her. She seemed jealous of Caylee, even after the baby died.
Intentionally killing her child was a way to get back at her mother for giving more attention to Caylee and not allowing casey to do what she wanted, it was a way to be free of her mother's control (mom controlled when she could go out because mom was the babysitter) and it was a way to be free from the grip of a baby that needed her constantly.
Hope she's enjoying all that freedom in the clink.

I really had to say more than just 'thanks'. What a fantastic summary regarding KC's motive. I will never understand those (especially cindy) who state there is no motive when there's piles of evidence that proves otherwise.

I have been compiling quotes from peoples statements pertaining to KCs motive and again, I've gotta say you've done a great job summing it all up! :dance:

 

[Suzie002]

Am I nuts or did JB say that they feel that they feel that KC has good reason for acting the way she did and it would come out at trial and then LKB says it's just something stupid people do? Ok which is it, is KC a smart person and had good reason to act that way or did she do something stupid like LKB said? Since they are both on the team, you would think they would both feel the same about it right?

 

[MissJames]

I think KC is a legend in her own mind. I really think that with JB watching her mail, she is getting supportive letters from people who either really believe in her or just pretending to. Either way, that is feeding her ego which is overblown anyway, and giving her a false sense of security that she will get off. Now combine that with the sugar coated information she is receiving from her families letters and her attorneys and she sits in jail not worrying much about the DP because she has all of these people telling her they believe in her and that nothing shows she murdered her daughter. Do you think she was told that people weren't impressed with the recent media campaign or was she told, "Honey, we went on TV and destroyed all of their so called evidence." I think she is being totally shielded from reality and that's easy to do because in a way, she always has because no one ever confronted her on her lies before.

I have a question for those legal eagles out there and I have wondered about it. Let's say I live in Florida and I am selected for the jury. Now we go to trial and she is convicted. Can the case be overturned or a mistrial declared because I am a member here and read and write about the case? I just always wondered what would happen in that situation.

All potential jurors will be asked that before they are picked.God help you if you lie.It could screw up the case if that type of info is witheld and honestly,it wouldn't be a fair trial.It's one thing to have heard stuff on tv,but another to be a member here and participate in discussions like this.
But I'm not a legal eagle,not by a long shot!

 

[notthatsmart]

Wow. casey had tons of motive. I mean, she created elaborate lies so that she could leave her baby with her parents and party instead of taking care of her child. Her lies were so complex and well though out that you just know she really wanted to be out partying. casey refferred to her child as a "little snot head". She seemed jealous of the bond her mom had with Caylee, and seemed to resent the control her mom exerted of her and over Caylee. casey's latest paramour stated firmly that he did not want kids and if he had one he wanted it to be a boy. Caylee was not welcome ther to spend the night. Once grandma started wising up that casey was not working nights, she refused to babysit. casey's friends were having fun partying whernever they wanted, going on cool trips to PR and not having to take care of a little snot head. casey felt trapped. Once she realized she couldn't leave the baby with her mom every night and couldn't take the baby to Tony's either, her recourses became very limited. casey was trapped. This is evident by her e-mails in which it is very obvious that she wants desparately to go out, does not want to tell her friends she cannot and keeps stalling them, hoping she will find a way to get her parents to watch the child. Same thing with the trip to PR. It's pathetic.
casey's conversations show someone desperate to be independent from the child that shackled her and the mother that criticized her. casey both hated her parents and demanded they adore her. She seemed jealous of Caylee, even after the baby died.
Intentionally killing her child was a way to get back at her mother for giving more attention to Caylee and not allowing casey to do what she wanted, it was a way to be free of her mother's control (mom controlled when she could go out because mom was the babysitter) and it was a way to be free from the grip of a baby that needed her constantly.
Hope she's enjoying all that freedom in the clink.

Hi thanks. That was a good post. Do you think that is the motive the SA will use???

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think KC is a legend in her own mind. I really think that with JB watching her mail, she is getting supportive letters from people who either really believe in her or just pretending to. Either way, that is feeding her ego which is overblown anyway, and giving her a false sense of security that she will get off. Now combine that with the sugar coated information she is receiving from her families letters and her attorneys and she sits in jail not worrying much about the DP because she has all of these people telling her they believe in her and that nothing shows she murdered her daughter. Do you think she was told that people weren't impressed with the recent media campaign or was she told, "Honey, we went on TV and destroyed all of their so called evidence." I think she is being totally shielded from reality and that's easy to do because in a way, she always has because no one ever confronted her on her lies before.

I have a question for those legal eagles out there and I have wondered about it. Let's say I live in Florida and I am selected for the jury. Now we go to trial and she is convicted. Can the case be overturned or a mistrial declared because I am a member here and read and write about the case? I just always wondered what would happen in that situation.

I am not a legal eagle.... however, your presence here is anonymous.
I think there's a good chance you would be asked during Jury selection if you were a member of a blog or sleuthing site- then you would be out on your ear.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hey JBean, slightly o/t...but everytime I see that Chargers pic, I seem to remember my Nona givin' me the "evil eye". I don"t know whether to cry b/c I miss her or hurry up & turn on Comedy Central b/c I'm too afraid to go to sleep. Hahaha!

 

[coco puff]

I wonder where the roll of duct tape is that George used for the posters.

 

[notthatsmart]

I know where the home is in relation to where Caylee was eventually found, but where exactly did you think the "crime scene" was, since you state "home OR crime scene"?

Don't know. Do you?

 

[MissJames]

I'm afraid you will have to search for the link. Kathi had the documents in front of her as she was speaking, and cited the dates they were both tested.
the test results were released out of sequence. You can read a transcript of the show for confirmation.

Sometimes people post the show on youtube.Not sure if it's still being archived in the media section here,but it might be.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Theres no heart sticker
Theres no dna
Theres no fingerprints
Theres no decomposing hair
Theres no matching duct tape.

The states case is falling apart before our very eyes.

Evidence leading up to the crime is very important to me.

In all honesty I did not think Caylee's little body would even be found. I had figured KC had fed her to the alligators. Since I had little hope of finding this precious child her Mother just threw away, I still had faith in LE and the SA bringing forth a solid case against KC without a body. Finding Caylee was a blessing as far as more evidence and an even more solid case.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Just a reminder that attacking a poster personally will result in a vacation.(expenses not paid)

OMGosh - please don;t take it off! I LOVE it! I just showed my husband & he wants me to look for an Eagles one for his ESPN Fantasy site! I'm serious, JBean! He really wants me to find it! I'm scared he's gonna ask his eye doc for some Eagles contacts - talk about not being able to go to sleep. Good Gawd!

Edited to say I'm talking about the eye pic. What is this attacking another poster? Forget it...I don't wanna know.

 

[MissJames]

Hi thanks. That was a good post. Do you think that is the motive the SA will use???

They don't have to show motive.

 

[cyberborg]

While this comparison is sooo far apart yet so elementary even JB should get it....

The Boy received a ticket/charges. Hired a Lawyer. Lawyer went to court and SURPRISE used "compelling reasons" to support his motion to have the ticket/charges dismissed. Ticket/charges dismissed. No trial. (Saved lots of money!)
Now how hard is this for JB to understand or he understands, just hopes like he77 the rest of us do not. Why oh Why doesn't a reporter ask him this question?

I honestly believe that the media are gentle on the Defense claims because they do not want to lose their participation and thus viewership, especially as this gets close to trial. I also think that it is a given soft ball agreement that the media expect the Defense to use them as a platform for propaganda and the Defense agreed to go on the show based on that mutual understanding.

Sad but true. The Defense are always going to use the media as a platform to spread propaganda and skewed info and the media are never going to ask the hard questions.

The only good thing is, I have seen a LOT better Defense propaganda than the tame stuff we see from JB and crew.

The best strategy for the Defense is keep quiet, get their change of venue and, wait for trial. They are stirring the pot and it is backfiring every time.

 

[notthatsmart]

Because you said you were hoping she were still alive. I thought perhaps you hadn't seen that since you've come in to the case so much later than the rest of us.

You seem to be contradicting yourself quite a bit and I was trying to be helpful.

I have followed this case from day one... I have gone through a lot of threads here and also the docs. I have found there is nothing new, as a matter of fact, all it is is links to news reports that have been out there for months. Where did I contradict myself? I will correct that if you can find it. I hope you can get past this newbie stuff, there is a whole world of information out there other than websleuths.com I love this site because a lot of people think of things that I have not.

ps. I do think she is guilty, but I am not sure.....

 

[sleutherontheside]

Hi thanks. That was a good post. Do you think that is the motive the SA will use???

I don't think anyone can really anticipate what will be presented as "motive".** So I ask.....do you think that "motive" is present?* The defense is clearly (IMO) working under several theories.....* "It was an accident" evidenced by their retaining an accident reconstruction "expert" to participate in the trial.* "It wasn't murder" as evidenced by a DP expert who is focusing on mitigation strategy.* SODDI as evidenced by their continued claims that there was a nanny and never straying from this claim to date.* The problem with multiple strategies is that you are assuming that a jury will take everything you say at face value.* Every media appearance further alienates them from rational thought.* They should have either "shut up" or offered supporting docs to persuade the public otherwise.* I don't think our concern should be..."What is the SA going to suggest as motive?".* I think that it should be what strategy is the defense going to land on and work to prove?".JMO

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

It is the states burden to prove she is guilty. The defense does not have to say anything. It is the states resposibility to catch the real killer.

Obviously that does not work in the court of public opinion, but it does in the real court.

Bold is mine.
Yes, The State is to prove she is guilty. The State has been silent.
The Defense does not have to say anything...but yet they are the ones on every talk show that will have them, now why is that?

 

[notthatsmart]

R0004 was asking notthatsmart what they believed on Dec 11:







I've noticed the contradictions too. So NotSoSmart, which one is it: did you believe she was alive or dead on Dec 11?

I knew she was dead on Dec 11th. Not before. I was talking about up to that point. Don't see the contradiction. I think the quote was in a reply to another quote that isn't in your quote. This is silly

 

[cyberborg]

I don't think anyone can really anticipate what will be presented as "motive". So I ask.....do you think that "motive" is present? The defense is clearly (IMO) working under several theories..... "It was an accident" evidenced by their retaining an accident reconstruction "expert" to participate in the trial. "It wasn't murder" as evidenced by a DP expert who is focusing on mitigation strategy. SODDI as evidenced by their continued claimes that there was a nanny and never straying from this claim to date. The problem with multiple strategies is that you are assuming that a jury will take everything you say at face value. Every media appearance further alienates them from rational thought. They should have either "shut up" or offered supporting docs to persuade the public otherwise. I don't think our concern should be..."What is the SA going to suggest as motive?". I think that it should be what strategy is the defense going to land on and work to prove?".
JMO

:clap::clap: Above + Use to establish reasonable doubt :clap::clap:

 

[RR0004]

Am I nuts or did JB say that they feel that they feel that KC has good reason for acting the way she did and it would come out at trial and then LKB says it's just something stupid people do? Ok which is it, is KC a smart person and had good reason to act that way or did she do something stupid like LKB said? Since they are both on the team, you would think they would both feel the same about it right?

But, that's the whole point of these interviews to obscure the truth. You're always left scratching your head. It's one big "huh?" moment if you ask me. It's interesting, though, watching JB. His confident facade shatters when he gets caught in some of the questions...like first stating that they're asking the State to dismiss the case because they haven't revealed evidence to substantiate the charges (why would they do that now?)...then he responds with a "we'll show you in court" kinda statement. Well, there goes his faith in the motion they filed. It would have been better if he just said that they wouldn't discuss anything further until the judge rules on the Motion to Dismiss. I just love seeing those little stutter steps. Sometimes I feel JB is just pretending to be a lawyer.

 

[notthatsmart]

I'm afraid you will have to search for the link. Kathi had the documents in front of her as she was speaking, and cited the dates they were both tested.
the test results were released out of sequence. You can read a transcript of the show for confirmation.

Are you talking about the Nancy Grace show? I will read the transcript tomorrow when they post it. Thanks for the info.


Ps.. Nancy Grace quotes the National Enquire a lot. I dont put a lot of stock in her show, but I enjoy watching it...