2010.04.21 If it's Ron, why won't they talk?

[suspicious1]

I think part of it is in GGM's statements:

"They're going to have to prove to me that it's a homicide."
"I've heard so many stories, they're going to have to prove it to me."

GGM isn't debating whether Haleigh died; she's debating HOW she died. Why?

Good point, Debs.

 

[doobiedoo52]

This is just my personal opinion of course, but I think the entire Cummings family has it set in their mind that someone in Crystal's family has hidden Haleigh away. Even when you listen to the Cobra tapes, you'll hear Cobra saying something about Joe or whatever, RC keeps bringing up the Sheffield side. He tells Cobra he is not sure at all that it's Joe. RC wants to know WHY Haleigh disappeared WHEN SHE DID. He brings up Marie always mentioning Georgia and Alabama. He questions why Crystal just got a tattoo of Haleigh now--he's had his since Haleigh was a baby. I really think he has convinced his mother and grandma as well. I think that's part of the reason GGS didn't react much to the story from Flo--it's all gossip and if she's been getting phone calls from that woman for awhile, I think she has formed an opinion of her reliability. This is all just my take on things.

 

[lishac23]

I'm SO glad that lil boy is getting therapy.

I'm not a huge advocate for questioning children, but do we know if Junior was asked about that night. I'm not saying just if he knew what happened to Haliegh, but he should have been able to at least give them so helpful basics.
He was four at the time right?
My daughter is three...and she can tell you exactly who gave her dinner last night, who put her to bed, everyone that was in the house when she went to bed, and what she did/what was on Noggin before she went to bed (can give an estimate of time).

I cant' imagine that LE still can't say who all was at the house, who wasn't at the house, was laundry being washed or wasn't it.... there's a witness that can at least give them a timeline of the pre events

 

[Emma Peel]

Speculation re: protecting Ron.

If it's an accidental OD, administered by Ron, or directed to be administered by Ron - surely Ron has made it clear to Misty that he's alibi'd and that he will deny any and all involvement. Which leaves the OD responsibility square on Misty's plate.

If Tommy helped Misty after-the-fact, (and it seems by recent events, that he is willing to AT LEAST say he witnessed disposal of the body to police) - if last spring/summer he at some point to encouraged Misty to cooperate with police - (maybe gave LE a little info upon his summer visit to jail) - .... then ... this could explain Ron helping Misty to threaten Tommy with his silence - via Rat-gate.

And yes, I don't blame Chelesa & Timmy for getting their family physically as far from Satsuma as possible. There was a time when just KNOWING what happened that night made them all a target of Ron's threats.

With Ron in Jail, they could/should feel more comfortable talking about what they know, (all except Misty, who is ultimately responsible, and won't confess to save her own skin). And, with Lindsy's help (and blessing) I'm guessing Tommy decided to talk. With Ron in jail, everyone's kids are pretty safe. They may have had some protection encouragement from LE in this regard if they voiced such concerns)

 

[Emma Peel]

I think part of it is in GGM's statements:

"They're going to have to prove to me that it's a homicide."
"I've heard so many stories, they're going to have to prove it to me."

GGM isn't debating whether Haleigh died; she's debating HOW she died. Why?

IIRC, when LE called the family in when the recent search began, GGMS had an interview clip (sitting in her car) and she said how hard this was because they still are holding hope that Haleigh's alive.

Maybe she's just saying "prove it". GGMS might just mean she requires remains for closure.

It goes to logic that if Haleigh's remains are found, it WAS some variation of a homicide.

(If remains are found, the only other choice is that she wandered off into the night on her own and met with death on her own. And none of Ron's family has ever believed that is the case.)

 

[doobiedoo52]

Oh yeah--and remember GGS said Jr was with her (that night after the disappearance) so that's why she thinks the "man in black" story is "a crock". I think that's what she thought of the story last night too because Jr never said anything about it to her.

 

[Trident]

Trident, perhaps you remember this, perhaps not but early on there was a report of some fellows in a red truck looking for White Boy Greg. Near as I recall, turned out to be Cummings members and they were asking people in the neighborhood of where Greg Page's mother lives for information of where he lived. Ron was not one of them. JMO - there are more than a few willing to fight Ron's battles for him.

Yes, I remember that very well. I also remember RC went by one of the posters that was here and either made an obscene gesture or called out a nasty name that had her scared enough to lock the doors and keep quiet for quite a while. Then, I THINK, she turned around and decided he was innocent. Go figure. Maybe we should ask WBG what he thinks? How about CJ, didn't he, or one of his relatives, get caught up in that Putnam County drug bust, the BIG one, last year? Ask HC, he DID think RC tried to kill him with the bad pills, then he changed his mind.

Remember the altercation involving a gun outside of a bar. I believe 2 of the Cummings clan were involved with that one. Lots of guns it seems, and lots of violence - enough to go around.

I remember a lot of things.

My opinion only

 

[Emma Peel]

ugh, now I want a timeline of police reports and Greybar Motel stays for the gang from last spring summer. They would be fun to review again, no?

 

[Leila]

If Ronald did it, I have a new theory as to why no one will talk. If my theory is right, I don't blame them! I thought Timmy and Chelsea moved to get away from Law Enforcement because of Timmy's possible involvement in the "death or kidnapping" of Haleigh. I no longer believe this. I think it's entirely possible that Ronald has threatened not only the players, but the children of the players. I remember a video of Chelsea, where she told a reporter that she was moving, because she wanted to be in a safer place for her children. I need to review the videos to find it, and that might take a while. I can see Ronald telling Tommy and Timmy, that they better believe, if they rat him out, he would kill their kids. I can see him saying, if I can kill my own daughter and feed her to the alligators, I'd have no problem doing it to your kids. We have to remember, that LE has led us all to believe that Ron is not a suspect. That he has an air tight alibi, (work) and that he is the only one that has passed a polygraph. Under these circumstances, I know I wouldn't say anything! My kids safety would come before anything in the world. He has Misty, that is now an accomplice, lying for him against her family in numerous occasions. She lied about finding the gun at Tommy's house. She lied about CJ's road rage incident. She lied about the fight at GGM'S house and blamed not only Tommy, but her own Mom and Dad. (filed charges against all of them, along with restraining orders) She lied about Ratgate. (the threat to Tommy, to keep his mouth shut) I can't help but wonder if Ronald has planted evidence to implicate Timmy, Tommy or Joe. How do we know that van wasn't damaged on purpose to point the finger in Timmy or Joe's direction? Rope found at Tommy's house that matches rope on the cinder blocks. I think Shell Harbor was staged to appear to be the dumping site, but it's just a red herring, and probably staged days or weeks after the fact. (Misty with a black plastic bag) Sure is convenient that Cousin Joe mentioned it was a good place to get rid of a body. If they only find blocks and rope, it's because the alligators got her. NOT!

I've always felt that Ron not only knew what happened to Haleigh, but was responsible for whatever happened. There's all sorts of small clues that lead to Ron being the one who did it.

One thing to keep in mind is all the players in this and all are involved in a cover-up.........every one! Looking at who's lied and changed their stories, that list includes TN and AS. There is no reason under the sun that they would lie and be involved in a cover-up to protect Misty.........a 17-year-old girlfriend who they knew for only about 5 months, or any of her family members.

Think about that. If your son's short term girlfriend killed your granddaughter, would you lie and cover up for her?

TN and AS have to be lying for and covering up to protect someone much closer to them.

Another thing that's always bothered me is Ron's tearful statement that he "would give his life to have his little girl's life back." He knew Haleigh was dead.

 

[lishac23]

Oh yeah--and remember GGS said Jr was with her (that night after the disappearance) so that's why she thinks the "man in black" story is "a crock". I think that's what she thought of the story last night too because Jr never said anything about it to her.

Does anyone know if they've even spoken to Jr. I know it would be a report from when Haleigh first disappeard but just seeing if anyone remembers.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Does anyone know if they've even spoken to Jr. I know it would be a report from when Haleigh first disappeard but just seeing if anyone remembers.

Yes, Jr was interviewed within the first few days. We were never privy to that interview but that's when "sources" reported he had said something about the "couch bouncing" and "the man in black or black man" I don't remember how it was put.

I would really like to know what Jr. has told them.

 

[lishac23]

Yes, Jr was interviewed within the first few days. We were never privy to that interview but that's when "sources" reported he had said something about the "couch bouncing" and "the man in black or black man" I don't remember how it was put.

I would really like to know what Jr. has told them.

Me too... I think he would be a key to a better timeline/sequence of events.

 

[SoSueMe]

I don't think any of the Croslin boys actually know how Haleigh died and they think they are covering for Misty.

I'm not saying they weren't involved in the coverup and perhaps disposal of Haleigh, but as for her death, I don't think they know how she died.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

They can't HONESTLY flip on each other, IMO. What are they leaving out??

Why not? Criminals in this country flip on each other all the time to get a favorable plea deal. Misty is looking at life without parole if she is charged as the central person in Haleigh disappearance/likely murder. Tommy and Joe? The death penalty. If RC was responsible, directly, for what happened to Haleigh, then they (Misty, Tommy and Joe) aren't the central figures; thus, they could tell what they know and get a plea deal. Pretty much anything beats LW/OP or the death penalty. Criminals, often prompted by their attorneys, take plea deals every day. They confess, they point fingers, etc.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Yes, Jr was interviewed within the first few days. We were never privy to that interview but that's when "sources" reported he had said something about the "couch bouncing" and "the man in black or black man" I don't remember how it was put.

I would really like to know what Jr. has told them.

Absolutely. I think Ron Jr.'s statement is one reason LE has fixed on Misty as the person at the heart of the case.

 

[Leila]

Yes, Jr was interviewed within the first few days. We were never privy to that interview but that's when "sources" reported he had said something about the "couch bouncing" and "the man in black or black man" I don't remember how it was put.

I would really like to know what Jr. has told them.

I remember that interview and junior saying something about a black man or man in black. That interview has never been released, but a few days after junior was interviewed, Crystal had weekend visitation with junior and she said that's what he told her.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Oh yeah--and remember GGS said Jr was with her (that night after the disappearance) so that's why she thinks the "man in black" story is "a crock". I think that's what she thought of the story last night too because Jr never said anything about it to her.

Well, excuse me, if I think GGS's story is a crock!
I never did believed her story of seeing the kids on the porch eating dinner in
the first place. I don't care how many times she revises it. It's still a lie to
protect RC and it took her 3 weeks to come up with it.

The only person I can believe is being honest in this case is little JR., and
he said a man dressed in black took his Sissy (a man with squeaky shoes).
I tend to believe him because the rest of them are proven liars!

 

[jessigirl]

Completely OT. Sorry to post this mods u can just delete if someone would just point me in the correct direction I'd be forever grateful ! As I said this is OFF TOPIC, could someone/anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can post a question that I'm hoping a fellow Websleuther will quickly know an answer for(I'm still a newbie&besides the Haleigh threads I am lost, lost, lost) so, plz forgive me for pestering you guys with this inquiry. So if someone would just give me the direction of where I could find such a thread?? ... TIA!!!! ..... (it isn't a question in any way related to crime, more of a question about things done around your house&yards??? As I said TIA TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME!! and plz forgive me for going so way off topic.
Thanks,Jess

 

[clarabelle]

I can see Misty covering up for Ron because she is in "love", her dependency on men and because he is a conniving manipulative piece of cr@p. But.......

I don't think Misty could have covered up this long. I don't believe she killed Haleigh and I kinda believe she doesn't know exactly what happened that night.

So Misty was on a partying binge then spent the night supposedly arguing with Ron. I assume she was rather tired. Tommy was over late afternoon, perhaps he gave her something to help her sleep and she crashed that evening. I definitely believe drugs were involved and possibly a dealer didnt like ron ratting him out or ron owed him money. Tommy and cousin Joe need their drugs and are not fans of ron so they agree to kidnap haleigh for the dealer (for drugs or money). ron has been threatened by the dealer before, explaining why his first reaction when he got "home from work" was "why did you let them take her???" Misty had been passed out when the kidnapping occurred and vaguely remembers someone in the house, maybe tommy, but she is groggy and not sure. she calls ron at work when she wakes up and tells him Haleigh is missing. ron knows the dealer is behind this and and creates this cover up to explain Haleigh being gone and gets Misty to go along with it because she doesnt really know what happened and ron tells her haleigh will be killed if she talks. ron's alibi is that he was at work, misty is pretty much still a kid (no adult legal trouble) and she isnt bright enough to question him (and loves him).

The cover up is set into motion with him having tommy check on misty and the kids because he cant reach her (opens the potential future blame of misty with the possibility that misty was gone and she is possibly really responsible for haleigh missing). ron calls TN and has her go over to help clean up and make sure misty is along with the story. also explains why TN is there so quickly with her 8x10 color glossy of Haleigh after ron "got home from work".

Police are called (have to explain his daughter being gone) and this grows into a major national story with misty quickly becoming the focus because how can you not know how a child sleeping next to you disappeared. ron and TN, etc all profess to love and defend misty which is a rather odd reaction to some druggie you've known 4 months who happened to have you child/grandaughter completely disappear while she was babysitting the kids.

haleigh cant possibly be returned because of all the police focus and ron realizes he will never see her again. explains why ron never looks for haleigh, marries misty to ensure her silence.

if tommy and joe were involved they now know this was never how this was supposed to turn out as they thought haleigh would not be harmed and she would eventually be returned to her home safe and sound. i think this explains their erratic behavior this past year. but they cant say anything because they were involved and would have the dealer after them and their family if they talk. they might have gotten rid of any evidence that might tie them to this crime by dumping it in the river.

misty wont talk because of ron/possible threats to her and her family and she may really not know the whole story. All the focus and pressure is really getting to misty and now ron is getting nervous and has her convinced that tommy and joe were involved and they killed haleigh.

ron is smiling in his arrest photo because he is safer in jail than out and everyone is becoming convinced that tommy and joe are responsible.

IMHO

 

[zadari]

Ronald is in jail now and likely to be for a long time so if he were involved, what is their motivation for not telling what they know? I just don't buy that. He can't hurt them nor can he hurt their children anymore. On the other hand, if I were worried about someone harming my children, It seems pretty silly to me that they are naming Joe Overstreet who still happens to be a free man and could easily access any of the family.

amen..