2010.04.22 - Chelsea's Comments On Nancy Grace

[grandmaj]

phone records....
he said/she said
they said/they did

The wagons are circling.

That was way back in August though. Not recently.

 

[chesterp]

That was way back in August though. Not recently.

But every word these people have said is fresh in LE's minds for building a case.

 

[grandmaj]

But every word these people have said is fresh in LE's minds for building a case.

OH there isn't a doubt in my mind LE has it very close.... we all have different ideas on who/what/when/where/why .

 

[KSH352]

I would like to know why LE questioned Chels for 14 hours this past weekend. http://www..com/2010/04/rope-tied-around-the-screen-door-at-ronald-cummings-trailer/ Hope it's ok to post this link. There is a video of Lindsey talking about it.

This is an older report. LE did go to Ma and interviewed both of them for several hours. I can't remember the exact date but it shouldn't be hard to find.

Lindsey has not sold her house yet she was standing in front of it. She was still living there when the Vigil was held for HaLeigh on the corner of their street this Feb.

 

[bessie]

I believe Chelsea knows. And I also believe drugs are behind what happened to Haleigh. There was too much of a coverup MOO.

If anyone listens to the show again, when Nancy Grace told Chelsea to turn her TV down....... to me it sounded like Timmy yelling? Anyone else hear that? Almost sounded like something something phone?

Sounded like Timmy to me, too. Couldn't make out what he was saying, though.

 

[txsvicki]

Chelsea sure contradicts many of her statements when I've heard her. First the other night with Tommy medicated and asleep all night contradicting his statement of getting up at 1am. Now, she says that WE, Misty loved Haleigh like their own. If you love a child at all you don't leave pills lying around the house. Misty would have been doing something about that problem. Then she says no one has been around Flora for seven years yet she calls her the endearing name of Nanny. Maybe it's because Flo spent lots of money over the years taking care of grandkids at various times, letting a daughter live with her now, having drug addicts, and all sorts of kinfolk in jail asking her for money. Why didn't they ever load up and go visit her in Tenn. It just seems like all of them have made the full circle of stories and are now focusing on blaming Ron.

 

[3doglady]

This is an older report. LE did go to Ma and interviewed both of them for several hours. I can't remember the exact date but it shouldn't be hard to find.

Lindsey has not sold her house yet she was standing in front of it. She was still living there when the Vigil was held for HaLeigh on the corner of their street this Feb.

The article under the video is dated April 17, 2010 so I thought it was new. Sorry if I misled.

 

[grandmaj]

Sounded like Timmy to me, too. Couldn't make out what he was saying, though.

It sounded like he was yelling about her being on the phone to me. I'll have to wait until I can listen with my headset on. I'll go back tomorrow. Tonight I'm too tired.

 

[raisincharlie]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

Misty was not 18 when Haleigh was taken and she certainly wasn't a baby sitter in Ron's little world, she was his live in underaged girlfriend. Ron was also in clear violation of the custody agreement as well, his kids were to be in the care of his mother or a 24 hour day care when he was at work. This is what he agreed to.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I understand what you are saying. I don't know if and how drugs are going to play a part in this, perhaps they will. I just don't believe Chelsea is a credible witness as to what was going on in the home. If there were drugs laying around...as she put it.....then she should be thinking about why she didn't call and report what she suspected and possibly saved a child's life. JMO

After seeing Chelsea on NG the other night I can tell you why I think she did not call about pills laying around at Ron's. She did not call because she appears to be a user too.

 

[bessie]

It sounded like he was yelling about her being on the phone to me. I'll have to wait until I can listen with my headset on. I'll go back tomorrow. Tonight I'm too tired.

I listened again. Actually, it was the echo of the TV in Chelsea's house. You heard NG saying she had Chelsea on the phone.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I think what we have to remember and I mean no disrespect BUT what constitutes a good parent to us is IMO COMPLETELY different to them. I think I'm stating the obvious but I always try to keep that in mind. I mean in the CA case, KC's friends said she was such a good mom too, but then again that is coming mostly from her friends that are 20-something single party people. KWIM?

Maybe in their eyes, the fact that Haleigh wasn't hit, had a roof and clothing makes RC a "good" parent. JMO.

 

[oceanwatch]

Chelsea lost any credibility she may have had with me when she was talking about Flo Hollars like she wasn't involved with the family, and had only seen her a couple of times in 7 years, then when she started talking to Flora Hollars she immediately called her "Nanny". Everything with Chelsea isn't what she'd like us to think it is. I don't trust her.

 

[TxLady2]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

Misty was not over 18 at the time, she had just turned 17 in Dec. before Haleigh disappeared in Feb. She turned 18 this past Dec. The rest of your post makes sense.. just wanted to clear up the age thing.

 

[impatientredhead]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

If Ron is dealing (a felony) and someone dies as a result of that felony and that person is your child.... Ron could very well be charged. Misty would be charged as well, most likely with negligent homicide. And I think Tommy got looped in on the clean up process. But I also think that the real reason TN was there and didn't mention she was there until late in the investigation is because she was there for clean up as well.

TN cleaned the MH imo, and that led to Misty being horribly inconsistent when she tried to describe the scene and how she moved about in it. Misty didn't do the clean up, didn't do the rearrange, so as she was asked detailed questions about it it appeared she was pulling answers out of her a@@, because she was. Frequently pulling out lies that directly contradicted the lie she had just told.

 

[TxLady2]

Chelsea lost any credibility she may have had with me when she was talking about Flo Hollars like she wasn't involved with the family, and had only seen her a couple of times in 7 years, then when she started talking to Flora Hollars she immediately called her "Nanny". Everything with Chelsea isn't what she'd like us to think it is. I don't trust her.

Nanny is what her husband calls her, no doubt. I applaud her for showing respect to her husband's grandmother. I think it would have sounded pretty odd if she had called her Flo.
I had a great-grandpa that I never saw in my entire life, but I still called him Grandpa.

 

[Trident]

Remember when Ron would not let Misty talk to Timmy whenever Timmy called from MA, and Timmy left him that message calling him a FAB and Ron called it harassment and filed a police report?

I do. I don't know why I just thought of that. But ... interesting... I'm going to keep it in mind...

There was also a time, after that I THINK, when Timmy came back to Satsuma, but I don't know what that was all about or what happened.

 

[Trident]

Chelsea lost any credibility she may have had with me when she was talking about Flo Hollars like she wasn't involved with the family, and had only seen her a couple of times in 7 years, then when she started talking to Flora Hollars she immediately called her "Nanny". Everything with Chelsea isn't what she'd like us to think it is. I don't trust her.

After seeing Chelsea the other night on NG, she looks to me like a woman who knows the end is near. She looked worried, rough, scared.

My opinion only

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

RE: "messy public emotional displays"

Hi pittsburghgirl,

This is not the first opportunity many of us have had to observe Ronald Cumming's demeanor. Over the past fourteen + months we've been able to observe Ronald in many different settings, for various amounts of time (with and without his knowledge, ie., undercover tapes...).

With that said; When I think of "messy public emotional displays" and Ronald, I think of the first day HaLeigh was reported missing ("someone stole my child...") and Ronald, on camera, falling to the ground ("I'd give my life for my child's back...") crying. He claims that his child was abducted; in that case, there's still a chance she's alive, especially in those initial critical hours; All hope is not gone at this time and yet, Ronald falls to the ground, making a "messy public emotional display" rather than being strong, standing up like a man, like a father whose little girl is out there somewhere counting on him to help bring her home, looking into the camera because he just may be looking into the eyes of the person or persons who stole his child; perhaps even looking into the eyes of his lost little girl who needs to know, dispite her fears, that Daddy's strong and he's coming to get/find her to bring her home.

Now, fourteen months later, his little girl has still not been recovered and he's informed by LE that the status of her disappearance is now a "homicide" - IMO, that's as hopeless as it gets - and yet, now, after hearing the most horrific news a parent could possible hear about their child, Ronald's expression shows no grief, no anguish; nothing - just the reaction or demeanor of a typical male who doesn't want to make a "messy public emotional display." While I respect your right to believe whatever you like regarding Ronald's reaction, or should I say, lack of reaction - I could not disagree more. JMHO ~

Fact, not opinion: Misty was seventeen, not eighteen at that time.

 

[Whisperer]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.
If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

When it is said males do not like public displays of emotion and rc could be like that....surely, that can't be correct about rc. First of all this is rc who has no problem expressing emotions. He can cry on que and has. He cried glassfuls on Maury 7/8 months after the fact. His was a drama queen.

Ron met misty when she was 16 and he was 25. She had just turned 17 when Haleigh vanished. Hard to believe rc will be 27 years old this fall. I don't know what the law is in Florida but he is negligent. He had drugs and a sitter who used drugs and he more than likely was the one supplying her with drugs. Darn shooten, he could get himself some charges and if they wanted to and misty was game they could throw some sex with a minor at him and at the age he was, he is looking at a hard twenty years just for that!!!

To stay on topic; I'm betting Chelsea was going to toss rc's name out there with the other three but mz Grace saved him. She cut her off and had the talking heads speak instead...smooth move.