2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[Just Jayla]

In my opinion it is because she was using the car to get the police to take her seriously. The car was not stolen at all.IMO There was plenty of time here for reflective thought. IMO She was angry that she had to pay several hundred dollars to get that car out. IMO

I read those interviews by the coworkers. One mentions that Ca said it smelled like a dead body, the other mentions that Ca said the car smelled bad, the other one makes no mention of it at all. I have not seen an interview of Debbie P, but have read the ocso report by Yuri M. IIRC, Charles c mentions that we were all standing there by the door when Ca came back and she said the car smelled like a dead body, however, those other people do not back up his story. IMO

BBM-Absolutely correct! CA did not worry that her car was stolen at all. She knew who had her car, and KC had all sorts of implied consent and direct consent (insurance, common knowledge that this was KC's car, etc.) to have that car in her posession.
CA was pizzed, she was trying to get the cops there....Because she wanted the police to get the truth out of KC.
She had tried, she was freaking out, she did not want to go there, she wanted LE to go there instead, and CA sure as hades did not want to flat out accuse her daughter of something so heinous as what her own gut was telling her. Then KC did the dumbest thing she could possibly do: She told LA a nanny story that sent off red alerts in CA's mind-KC was lying again, she lies when she has done something wrong.....fears begin to mount.

CA had no choice but to beacon the LE with the nasty truth she then had in her mind-frustrated to her wits end, she shares a slight bit of her fears with the 911 operator-Enough to get a reaction.
She got the reaction she wanted, she got the reaction that the sane part of CA's brain needed.
Then Elvis (CA's senses) left the building. Fear became truth and she can't handle the truth.
Frankly, that kind of truth would be hard for any of us to handle.

 

[Cat13067]

In my opinion it is because she was using the car to get the police to take her seriously. The car was not stolen at all.IMO There was plenty of time here for reflective thought. IMO She was angry that she had to pay several hundred dollars to get that car out. IMO

I read those interviews by the coworkers. One mentions that Ca said it smelled like a dead body, the other mentions that Ca said the car smelled bad, the other one makes no mention of it at all. I have not seen an interview of Debbie P, but have read the ocso report by Yuri M. IIRC, Charles c mentions that we were all standing there by the door when Ca came back and she said the car smelled like a dead body, however, those other people do not back up his story. IMO

So what your saying is CA wanted LE to play parent to ICA, and make her tell them where Caylee was? Not buying it, sorry! IMO CA knew the red flags were flying high when she smelled that car earlier in the day. GA told CA to go to work after returning from the tow yard with the car, and CA was so upset she told co-workers about the smell of a dead body in the car. CA can't put the toothpaste back in the tube with her comment that she just wanted LE to scare ICA into telling where Caylee was. CA knew ICA did something horrible as did GA when he said, "Please don't let this be my Caylee when he opened the trunk at the tow yard". IMO

 

[Dignity4Victims]

In my opinion it is because she was using the car to get the police to take her seriously. The car was not stolen at all.IMO There was plenty of time here for reflective thought. IMO She was angry that she had to pay several hundred dollars to get that car out. IMO

I read those interviews by the coworkers. One mentions that Ca said it smelled like a dead body, the other mentions that Ca said the car smelled bad, the other one makes no mention of it at all. I have not seen an interview of Debbie P, but have read the ocso report by Yuri M. IIRC, Charles c mentions that we were all standing there by the door when Ca came back and she said the car smelled like a dead body, however, those other people do not back up his story. IMO

This is yet another time, right from the start of this, when Cindy avoided the truth when the truth would have been a better option.

If Cindy really did "want to use the car to get police to take her seriously", then what better way than to be honest with them from the onset and tell them with the first phone call that the car smelled like a dead body?

Tell me which will get your attention quicker, "My daughter stole our family car" - or - "The car my daughter was using smells like a dead body!"

Your "stolen car" excuse doesn't fly in the face of logic, much less truth.

 

[AZlawyer]

So what your saying is CA wanted LE to play parent to ICA, and make her tell them where Caylee was? Not buying it, sorry! IMO CA knew the red flags were flying high when she smelled that car earlier in the day. GA told CA to go to work after returning from the tow yard with the car, and CA was so upset she told co-workers about the smell of a dead body in the car. CA can't put the toothpaste back in the tube with her comment that she just wanted LE to scare ICA into telling where Caylee was. CA knew ICA did something horrible as did GA when he said, "Please don't let this be my Caylee when he opened the trunk at the tow yard". IMO

And right after she made that hysterical call to LE, she made another hysterical call to her supervisor Debbie P and said "If the baby's dead, I don't know what I'm going to do!" At that point, she obviously wasn't lying to get the cops to show up--the cops were already there.

 

[beach]

And right after she made that hysterical call to LE, she made another hysterical call to her supervisor Debbie P and said "If the baby's dead, I don't know what I'm going to do!" At that point, she obviously wasn't lying to get the cops to show up--the cops were already there.

AZ, I love it when you just cut to the chase and all that is left is just black & white, with absolutely no grey areas.

Nope, no smoke and mirrors. Everything clear as can be.

 

[Just Jayla]

This is yet another time, right from the start of this, when Cindy avoided the truth when the truth would have been a better option.

If Cindy really did "want to use the car to get police to take her seriously", then what better way than to be honest with them from the onset and tell them with the first phone call that the car smelled like a dead body?

Tell me which will get your attention quicker, "My daughter stole our family car" - or - "The car my daughter was using smells like a dead body!"
Your "stolen car" excuse doesn't fly in the face of logic, much less truth.

For CA to have made the dead body statement during the first phone call (with KC right next to her) would have been like jumping off of a cliff with no chute-for any mother-and she couldn't muster it up.

So she did ditch reality for a light version. But the light version did not merit an emergency visit from 4 different units. CA was up against the wall. She had to give LE a piece of truth, and her excited utterance was just that.

THAT moment for CA was what we know as maternal instinct. Praise the Lord it kicked in for a moment-long enough to get that utterance out there before CA reverted to habits of avoidance and manipulation to hide pain and shame.

 

[Reagan]

Four words from CA to KC before the 911 call: What have you done?
'Nuff said.


P.S. AZLawyer, I totally forgot about that phone call, thanks!

 

[notthatsmart]

And right after she made that hysterical call to LE, she made another hysterical call to her supervisor Debbie P and said "If the baby's dead, I don't know what I'm going to do!" At that point, she obviously wasn't lying to get the cops to show up--the cops were already there.

Yes but at that time she already knew Caylee had been kidnapped.IMO Many must believe it was the smell that caused Ca's reactions, but there is no support of this from Ca. IMO Her reactions were due to learning of the kidnapping IMO. I am basing this on documentation and Ca's actions. If you read the documentation (coworker interviews) , you will find that only one person (Charles C) said that Ca said it smelled like a dead body. IMO None of the others back up this claim at all. IMO Furthermore, Charles C was wrong about what Debbie B said.IMO More yet, Ca was going to stay at work, it was her supervisor that told her to go home. IMO This may become a choice of what you believe and that is what the Jury will do. IMO Sa does not have a lot of documentation to back up . IMO However they do have Ca in her own words saying it smelled like there was a dead body in the car. So, if Ca explains that she said that to get the police out there, then the jury will have to make a choice of whether she is lieing or not. IMO If they look at her actions, they will see that she did not treat that as any kind of emergency at all. IMO No one did. IMO

 

[tlcya]

Caylee was kidnapped??

 

[The World According]

Charles C:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0320/18974997.pdf

Debbie B:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0320/18975014.pdf

Thank you AZ lawyer!!
From Mr. Crittenden's interview with LE
Q Did she say anything about the car when she got back to work that day?

A .Yes, I recall when she got back , a lot of us were standing right here by the front door when she walked in. And she made a statement about the smell in the car. She said it smelled like a dead body. And we told her to call the police.


This gentleman is on the state witness list. It would be a literal disaster for Cindy to be on the stand, the jury hear her 911 call and the sheer agony in her voice, have Cindy say that was a lie, then very next witness up the jury hears from the co worker telling that Cindy came in the door and began telling them Casey's car they just recovered from a tow yard, it smells like a dead body and she cannot account for Caylee's whereabouts. They tell her she must call the police.

We really don't need to hear from Oak Ridge Lab now if we are the jury.
The car smelled like a dead body,
Casey lied about where the baby was
she is on video about town shopping, dancing, renting videos
the plant and bug evidence show the child had been in the woods since aprox. the time the child was last seen
her daughter lied and lied and lied to the police and federal agents that were trying to help her find the baby
every phone number and every address she gave her family and police turned out to be bogus

if I am on the jury my common sense kicked in when I heard 31 days, the rest is just icing on the perjury:furious:

It is over. Cindy if you are reading here, lying and telling easily disprovable lies will seal your daughter's fate!!!!

 

[notthatsmart]

Caylee was kidnapped??

Yes, according to the 911 call. IMO And I wonder if that falls under the definition of kidnapping. If you leave your child with a babysitter and the babysitter wont return the child, is that kidnapping?

 

[notthatsmart]

Can anyone provide a link to where more than one co worker said that Ca said the car smelled like a dead body? I am seeing posters state this as co workers as in plural, but am not seeing any documentation to back this up. So, if that one person gets on the stand and says that, will the defense not show an exhibit of the others that didn't say it? I find this to be on topic as it relates to the 911 call. IMO Many are using these co workers to back up claims of excited utterance. I hope someone can help, because many are making it plural and I don't know why. thanks

 

[tlcya]

That is acting on the assumption that ICA was truthful. That's a pretty sizeable assumption! Any person I have left my child with has been an actual (verifiable) person who exists, has a home, a phone number, family, friends, and furthermore has been seen by someone other than myself.

I prefer not to have imaginary friends supervise my children. That's just me tho.

 

[The World According]

Since mom and pop have made many, up to and including this week's GMA appearance in the press they have never ever cried out for help finding the kidnapper, indeed they have made remarks ( and Brad on their behalf has made remarks) that are tantamount to admitting there is no kidnapper, since they are "Waiting for the trial to learn what happened to Caylee".

If she tells one co- worker the day she returns from getting the car that the car smells like a dead body ( Charles)
and later calls another to say she is worried Caylee is dead...that is enough for me to know that from day one she is not on the hunt for an imaginary kidnapper who is holding the child. Indeed she certainly isn't asking for her phones to be traced by LE, quite the opposite she is on bat phones the would be kidnapper does not have the number to. Come on.

 

[The World According]

Can anyone provide a link to where more than one co worker said that Ca said the car smelled like a dead body? I am seeing posters state this as co workers as in plural, but am not seeing any documentation to back this up. So, if that one person gets on the stand and says that, will the defense not show an exhibit of the others that didn't say it? I find this to be on topic as it relates to the 911 call. IMO Many are using these co workers to back up claims of excited utterance. I hope someone can help, because many are making it plural and I don't know why. thanks

Thank you NTS. I took off my s. One co worker being told that the car smells like death is enough for the jury.

There are no coincidences in criminal law.

She told the coworker that, she told the 911 operator that. Good enough for me. I do appreciate you helping me with that, it matters that we get it spot on because people quote from here, and read from here all over the world. It is what separates us from rag magazines. If we can't prove it, we are not to post it, and that is why I posted, thanks to AZ lawyer finding it, the actual law enforcement interview.

Thanks for helping me with that, it matters!!

 

[Harmony 2]

And right after she made that hysterical call to LE, she made another hysterical call to her supervisor Debbie P and said "If the baby's dead, I don't know what I'm going to do!" At that point, she obviously wasn't lying to get the cops to show up--the cops were already there.

Good morning AZ!!

Edited my post because I found the link for your info regarding Debbie P...

page 7 >>> http://www.wftv.com/news/18530380/detail.html

 

[jon_burrows]

Anyone remember what CA told Amy on their way to find Casey? I thought she mentioned something about the odor of the car.

 

[faefrost]

Thank you NTS. I took off my s. One co worker being told that the car smells like death is enough for the jury.

There are no coincidences in criminal law.

She told the coworker that, she told the 911 operator that. Good enough for me. I do appreciate you helping me with that, it matters that we get it spot on because people quote from here, and read from here all over the world. It is what separates us from rag magazines. If we can't prove it, we are not to post it, and that is why I posted, thanks to AZ lawyer finding it, the actual law enforcement interview.

Thanks for helping me with that, it matters!!

Lets not forget that the investigating officers reported the smell and the dogs hit on the car. Yep CA lied on the 911 call to get them there faster. She lied to her coworker to support her first lie, somehow she got the cops to go along with the lie as well, and the dog was lying. Oh and she would have had to have preplanned out the lie with George so he knew to lie about it with the tow guy as well...

We've talked about how circumstantial cases are built on little pieces that form a whole. (NTS seems to have some doubts about this approach). But there is a certain point where a reasonable sane person (ie a juror) puts the pieces together and comes to an unavoidable conclusion. If you had called 911 to report a fire, it is a little hard to go back and say "I lied about that to get you here faster" when you are in fact standing next to a burning building.

 

[notthatsmart]

Lets not forget that the investigating officers reported the smell and the dogs hit on the car. Yep CA lied on the 911 call to get them there faster. She lied to her coworker to support her first lie, somehow she got the cops to go along with the lie as well, and the dog was lying. Oh and she would have had to have preplanned out the lie with George so he knew to lie about it with the tow guy as well...

We've talked about how circumstantial cases are built on little pieces that form a whole. (NTS seems to have some doubts about this approach). But there is a certain point where a reasonable sane person (ie a juror) puts the pieces together and comes to an unavoidable conclusion. If you had called 911 to report a fire, it is a little hard to go back and say "I lied about that to get you here faster" when you are in fact standing next to a burning building.

Actually, all those people that you mentioned (not the dog), did nothing about the smell for a long time.IMO Everyone seems to be right in sync with Ca on their actions. Simon went back to work, Ga went back to work, Le did not secure the car until the next day. IMO Seems no one took this smell serious enough to do anything about it right away. IMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Thank you NTS. I took off my s. One co worker being told that the car smells like death is enough for the jury.

There are no coincidences in criminal law.

She told the coworker that, she told the 911 operator that. Good enough for me. I do appreciate you helping me with that, it matters that we get it spot on because people quote from here, and read from here all over the world. It is what separates us from rag magazines. If we can't prove it, we are not to post it, and that is why I posted, thanks to AZ lawyer finding it, the actual law enforcement interview.

Thanks for helping me with that, it matters!!

Hey no worries. I know that posters want to get it right no matter who's side you come down on this. I just can't help but wonder when interviews are done this late in the case that media influence doesn't begin to take its toll. By Nov 25th the words "it smelled like there was a dead body in the car" must have been played over and over in the press. I can't wait to see Charles C on the stand. I want to see his demeaner and how sure of himself he is about the statement, since his co workers did not back up his statement. Imo

I think overall, I have lost the argument of this being an excited utterance and believe the Judge will side with the state on this. IMO It has been a good discussion and I have learned new things even though I have read these interviews in the past. The 911 calls will prolly come in, but not sure about the effect it will have on the Jury. IMO Conciousness of guilt of what?