2010.07.03 Sheriff confirms Kyron last seen *inside* school

[cluciano63]

LE has stated that TH was the last person to see Kyron. They have never stated WHERE or WHEN . But...they are sure she saw him last.... She.Saw.Him.Last. Therefore, IMO LE thinks she has specific knowledge of what happened to Kyron when he disappeared IMO that is what LE means


All JMO

If this is true, as LE did state rather definitively a few weeks ago, then there is no accomplice, no hiding place, no happy ending. If Terri saw him last, period, not saw him last in the school, then she is "it" and poor Kyron is gone.

 

[fran]

In the news conference that was linked here earlier, the one where the officer looks up for a second before he answers on if TH is a POI or not, that same video, I believe, said there's SOMETHING on TH's computer that is 'suspicious.' It's something that was deleted but they were able to retrieve it.

They didn't explain what it was though.

JMHO
fran

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

Just a thought...forgive if it's already been discussed, this is a busy board! I have this theory on the whole school exit thing (and if there is a theories thread that this should go under, please move it, but...)

1) TH planned this out (I used to think it was an accident but I no longer do)
2) She told the teacher about an appointment to create an alibi of sorts, in that she may have IMO told the teacher "Kyron has a doctor's appointment" knowing full well she gave her paperwork for a week later but giving her some time because they would think Kyron was with her that DAY for an appointment.

So then when the LE asks her about it, she can say 'well sure I told her he had a doctor's appointment, but I meant NEXT WEEK" and she had the paperwork to 'prove' what she said.

"Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

3) The classmate saw the SM leave the school alone because he did see SM leave alone. She simply told Kyron "Meet me around the side after you look at the electrical ______" and picked him up, or she had told him earlier, "Go to the car and I'll be right there" and he went and jumped in and waited.

I believe IMO there HAVE been sightings after the second round of questionnaires and polygraph test that Kyron was seen running to the car, or in the car as it drove away, or something (this is PURELY speculative but would explain why DY and KH have really done an about face) but the LE isn't telling us and letting her spin her lies as much as she wants.

4) Whatever she did to that boy at this point, I have no idea but pray it's a balloon boy thing.

5) She thought she had all her bases covered by a) taking a picture of him, being seen with him and leaving 'alone' w/o him. Then, to go to the bus and act surprised was part of the plan because people would think anyone guilty wouldn't come back home, act relatively normal and even show up at the bus stop.

Whew - that's a bit long-winded to the SM seen in the school and the last one to see Kyron, but I think it's pretty logical. I just pray for this little boy's safe return.

Don't forget, she emailed the teacher that same afternoon asking when she could pick up Kyrons science project. IDK but why would you do that, wouldn't you just assume you would pick it up the following school day? At least I would.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I didn't realize until reading the first page that Kyron's friend said that the teacher left after she was informed by the sub that Kyron wasn't with the group. Wonder where the teacher went. LE may have discounted the boy's statments, but suppose the sub could verify that part.

I don't think that is Kyron's friend telling that part of the story. I think that is the teacher.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yesterday I thought he was directly during press Q & A asked about confirming seeing Terri & Kyron both in the school and he was able to confirm that.

With a follow up question of Terri &/or Kyron leaving the school, and he said he couldn't comment on that.

my speakers are on the fritz. darn. if you're listening to it - you might have a listen to the Q & A in this area of questioning... FWIW

I have gone back and reread how Stanton responds to questions.

If he is not aware of something nor has any knowledge to base his answers on he will say "I cannot comment on that."

So I think he means he has no evidence of any eye witnesses seeing Kyron and Terri leaving together.

At one point he is asked about something Kaine said publicly and he said he cannot comment on that but Lt. Linstrand spoke up and said the reason the Sheriff cannot comment on that is because he was not there when Kaine spoke so Stanton had no personal knowledge.

IMO

 

[socalgal2]

Don't forget, she emailed the teacher that same afternoon asking when she could pick up Kyrons science project. IDK but why would you do that, wouldn't you just assume you would pick it up the following school day? At least I would.

With all due respect
I have yet to see a credible link that states this as a fact. From the facts released since by LE, they haven't said anything or verified about anyone that day reported after 8:45am

 

[Emeralgem]

Since everyone else is speculating, I'll share this thought...

Maybe the current statements from the parents/LE etc . regarding current pressers that seem to be talking directly to Kyron, is in fact a Red Herring that Terri Horman devised! Maybe the pressure of this past weeks developments prompted her to invent a 2nd senario in hopes of getting the heat off her as a sole participant! It's as plausible as all the other speculations that have been talked about. On that note it disturbs me further if , in fact, this is what she did!:furious:

JMO :cow:

I'm inlined to beleive this could very well be the case.JMO

 

[Noway]

Don't forget, she emailed the teacher that same afternoon asking when she could pick up Kyrons science project. IDK but why would you do that, wouldn't you just assume you would pick it up the following school day? At least I would.

I'd have picked it up at the end of the day (Friday, June 4) or at the end of the fair. They would have needed the classrooms back to normal so they could use them (that's the train of thought in my head).

The other thought I had is that parents would have known when they were supposed to pick them up as part of the "instructions" for the day. JMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I have gone back and reread how Stanton responds to questions.

If he is not aware of something nor has any knowledge to base his answers on he will say "I cannot comment on that."

So I think he means he has no evidence of any eye witnesses seeing Kyron and Terri leaving together.

At one point he is asked about something Kaine said publicly and he said he cannot comment on that but Lt. Linstrand spoke up and said the reason the Sheriff cannot comment on that is because he was not there when Kaine spoke so Stanton had no personal knowledge.

IMO

..does he what! I have put together the list of questions he avoided answering in the last interview....

List of questions LE will not answer in regards to the investigation into Koran’s disappearance:

“Is there any evidence that shows he is still alive? Have you seen any confirmation?”

“…Do you really believe this is just a one-time thing that happened?"

“Is there anything to say that this is someone he knew?”

“Can you comment on Terri Horman? Is she a person of interest and do you believe she is connected with his disappearance?”

"And is there anything in terms of Kaine's decision to get divorced from Terri Horman — the statement that was released suggested that there was information revealed by investigators that lead to that breakup. Is there anything you can tell me about if they had met with Kaine to brief him about the investigation and is there anything that you know of that led to that?"

"Is the sheriff's office still briefing Terri on the investigation?"

….avoids question, diverts to how a lawyer operates with client…doesn’t answer question.

“OK. And with Terri — the fact that she has an attorney — that you are perceiving to be as part of the criminal investigation?"

“And have you found anything to suggest that Terri could be a danger to her husband or her daughter?"

“And also was Kaine at the bus stop with Terri waiting for Kyron?"

“Is it believed that he was taken from the school then, in a vehicle?"

"Do you feel an arrest is imminent?"

"Is there any one theory that has some evidence to it that is helping lead the investigation?

"Has there been an effort to look at sexual predators in the area or have you called that off?"

.. there is a bit of back and forth here before he answers that yes, they are looking at sexual predators as part of the investigation, but….

"In terms of looking at sexual predators right in the area?"

"Have they interviewed sexual predators in the area?"

"And can you say whether they've ruled them out?"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

So assuming that all of the questions he wont answer are skirting way too close to the truth I think we can work out where they are in the investigation. JMO of course....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In the news conference that was linked here earlier, the one where the officer looks up for a second before he answers on if TH is a POI or not, that same video, I believe, said there's SOMETHING on TH's computer that is 'suspicious.' It's something that was deleted but they were able to retrieve it.

They didn't explain what it was though.

JMHO
fran

Hi fran,

I never heard LE even mention the Hormans computers. I do know Kaine said in one of his interviews that LE has never asked him to look at the home computers. There was a lot of discussion on the board about that since most of us would have thought the computers would have been taken.

But according to Kaine they haven't been touched by LE.

IMO

 

[Calliope]

I have gone back and reread how Stanton responds to questions.

If he is not aware of something nor has any knowledge to base his answers on he will say "I cannot comment on that."

So I think he means he has no evidence of any eye witnesses seeing Kyron and Terri leaving together.

At one point he is asked about something Kaine said publicly and he said he cannot comment on that but Lt. Linstrand spoke up and said the reason the Sheriff cannot comment on that is because he was not there when Kaine spoke so Stanton had no personal knowledge.

IMO

I took it to mean she was saying he wasn't there when the parents met the bus, so he couldn't comment on whether Kaine was present.

 

[Calliope]

Hi fran,

I never heard LE even mention the Hormans computers. I do know Kaine said in one of his interviews that LE has never asked him to look at the home computers. There was a lot of discussion on the board about that since most of us would have thought the computers would have been taken.

But according to Kaine they haven't been touched by LE.

IMO

I found that hard to believe, actually.

 

[cluciano63]

I took it to mean she was saying he wasn't there when the parents met the bus, so he couldn't comment on whether Kaine was present.

I took it to mean that he was not there when Kaine said he met the bus... I did not take it mean what his usual "Can't comment on that" means...

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

With all due respect
I have yet to see a credible link that states this as a fact. From the facts released since by LE, they haven't said anything or verified about anyone that day reported after 8:45am

I don't know if there is one, this was from early on in the case. And I have never seen it disproven either, so not sure if fact or rumor.

Also, yes I would assume end of day or at least first thing following school day, they would want classroom back to normal but would want the projects up for that paticular day.

Just pointing out if she did in fact email the teacher this question, it could very well be setting up an alibi. I for one have been "suspicious" of Terri from day one, but I am not fully prepared to throw her under the bus.

However, I feel it's important to look at her statements, whearabouts and other behavior, just part of sleuthing, it's not like LE has given us anyone to look at, except her. :twocents:

 

[gwenabob]

I found that hard to believe, actually.

What if LE installed spy software with Kaine's permission? They've probably been watching everything she does on the computer for 3 weeks.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

..does he what! I have put together the list of questions he avoided answering in the last interview....

List of questions LE will not answer in regards to the investigation into Koran’s disappearance:

“Is there any evidence that shows he is still alive? Have you seen any confirmation?”

“…Do you really believe this is just a one-time thing that happened?"

“Is there anything to say that this is someone he knew?”

“Can you comment on Terri Horman? Is she a person of interest and do you believe she is connected with his disappearance?”

"And is there anything in terms of Kaine's decision to get divorced from Terri Horman — the statement that was released suggested that there was information revealed by investigators that lead to that breakup. Is there anything you can tell me about if they had met with Kaine to brief him about the investigation and is there anything that you know of that led to that?"

"Is the sheriff's office still briefing Terri on the investigation?"

….avoids question, diverts to how a lawyer operates with client…doesn’t answer question.

“OK. And with Terri — the fact that she has an attorney — that you are perceiving to be as part of the criminal investigation?"

“And have you found anything to suggest that Terri could be a danger to her husband or her daughter?"

“And also was Kaine at the bus stop with Terri waiting for Kyron?"

“Is it believed that he was taken from the school then, in a vehicle?"

"Do you feel an arrest is imminent?"

"Is there any one theory that has some evidence to it that is helping lead the investigation?

"Has there been an effort to look at sexual predators in the area or have you called that off?"

.. there is a bit of back and forth here before he answers that yes, they are looking at sexual predators as part of the investigation, but….

"In terms of looking at sexual predators right in the area?"

"Have they interviewed sexual predators in the area?"

"And can you say whether they've ruled them out?"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

So assuming that all of the questions he wont answer are skirting way too close to the truth I think we can work out where they are in the investigation. JMO of course....

I don't think he really avoided anything. I think he explained it very well in the PC yesterday when he said Terri has obtained a lawyer but she was continuing to cooperate. He didn't seem to be upset at all that she has retained a lawyer like many LE does when they come out with a frown on their face to say someone has "lawyered up."

He is just not going to answer anything to do with the investigation and the press should know that by now.

He made it very clear that his investigation has nothing to do with the Hormans personal problems in their marriage. That really is none of his business and he certainly is not going to jump out in the media and expose these people's private issues.

I thought he explained things very well.

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

Does anyone recall the date Gates first said that Terri was the last person to see Kyron?

And did he mean the very last, ever? Is that what he was saying, or did he say the last person in the school to see Kyron?

That is a sticking point with me, as if he said last person to see Kyron...end of sentence...then that tells me a lot about what they think they know. And there would not be another person seeing Kyron after Terri saw him.

 

[fran]

Hi fran,

I never heard LE even mention the Hormans computers. I do know Kaine said in one of his interviews that LE has never asked him to look at the home computers. There was a lot of discussion on the board about that since most of us would have thought the computers would have been taken.

But according to Kaine they haven't been touched by LE.

IMO

It's in this video, at about 2.30. Albeit it isn't an 'official police source,' but a reliable enough source that the news agency quoted them.

fwiw,
fran

http://www.kgw.com/news/95670454.html

Sheriff: Finding Kyron alive still the focus

Posted on June 26, 2010 at 5:15 PM

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<video at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Nana46]

What if LE installed spy software with Kaine's permission? They've probably been watching everything she does on the computer for 3 weeks.

Well if they didn't it sure would have been nice if they had.

 

[allboys]

I didn't realize until reading the first page that Kyron's friend said that the teacher left after she was informed by the sub that Kyron wasn't with the group. Wonder where the teacher went. LE may have discounted the boy's statments, but suppose the sub could verify that part.

Or, what if this sub who said, "oh no, where is Kyron?", is involved in his disappearance? Just a thought... Sounds like this person made a fast exit, that's what made me ponder.