2010.12.14 Hearing - Telephonic *Updated* Order p.5

[nort]

There is more than one doll I think, but I'm not sure which one is Mamma doll and where she was found.
I remember seeing the police report from this witness way back in the early discovery and thought it was very interesting. Not much has been made of it I guess because I think the report was filed after the remains were found.
But I'm not sure about that.
Is there a thread on the dolls?

Thanks..I'll check it out.

 

[faefrost]

At the end of the day JP really can't deny Baez, or he risks an unfair trial. We don't want that, so I say give him the hours he needs -- then he has no excuses!

I remember this from the Westerfield trial here in San Diego. He was allowed to keep his private attorney after being declared indigent. It wasn't until after the trial we learned how much San Diego was changed (an enourmous amount). Westerfield is now on death row -- money well spent!

So while I want to balk at the extra money, I don't want to see a mistrial here, or having issues go to the supreme court.

MOO

Mel

ps: eta that JB will most likely turn out like Feldman and thrown out of the inner circle of trusted attorney's. I don't think Feldman (Westerfield's atty) has taken on a DP case since then because no one trusts him. After this, JB will be lucky to get a shoplifting case. MOOOOOOO

This!

So long as JB comes to the court with a clearly expressed need, he will get the investigative funding. This was made clear by HHJP from the beginning. The initial budgets could be expanded so long as specific need was shown. JB has a list of "witnesses" he wishes to pursue. Even the state agrees these are real people with some connection via TES searches. This time JB did ask for funding properly, for a clear investigative task.

HHJP assigning the extra funds is actually the cheaper option for the state. Spending relatively inexpensive "investigative" funds now, greatly reduces the chances of any viable or reasonable appeals later on sudden "new evidence". It also all but eliminates claims of ineffectiveness of council.

The Judge is not looking to do what we want or convict KC. he is looking to run a fair trial with the absolute minimal chance of reversal on appeal. That means he often will have to accommodate some of the less outlandish requests from the defense teams. He will also be using a very diferent touch now during pre trial activities. The Judge will be very accommodating of the insanity, while at the same time putting forth some subtle and some not so subtle warnings should either side be straying close to the line. This is in part to avoid any concerns of pre trial bias. Remember it is KC on trial not her defense team. Once the actual trial begins and these players are standing before the judge and jury presenting the full case the gloves come off and all players will be expected to behave and perform in a professional and legally appropriate manner.

And for all of our outrage over OMG he gave them more money. Really if you look at it in the big picture, The State of Florida is actually getting off fairly cheaply in this one. The judge and the JAC are keeping a very close watch on any and all costs and making the defense fight for ever dollar, thereby keeping the costs tightly controlled. Much more so than we think just from watching these little interplays. For comparison look at the Brian Nichols DP trial in Atlanta, and what it did to that states indigent defense budget.

If left to his own devices JB and company would be spending thousands of hours on investigative time. But through this careful alotment of small pieces the judge is keeping those costs lower and insuring that there really is alot less fishing or waste than we immediately perceive.

 

[LambChop]

This!

So long as JB comes to the court with a clearly expressed need, he will get the investigative funding. This was made clear by HHJP from the beginning. The initial budgets could be expanded so long as specific need was shown. JB has a list of "witnesses" he wishes to pursue. Even the state agrees these are real people with some connection via TES searches. This time JB did ask for funding properly, for a clear investigative task.

HHJP assigning the extra funds is actually the cheaper option for the state. Spending relatively inexpensive "investigative" funds now, greatly reduces the chances of any viable or reasonable appeals later on sudden "new evidence". It also all but eliminates claims of ineffectiveness of council.

The Judge is not looking to do what we want or convict KC. he is looking to run a fair trial with the absolute minimal chance of reversal on appeal. That means he often will have to accommodate some of the less outlandish requests from the defense teams. He will also be using a very diferent touch now during pre trial activities. The Judge will be very accommodating of the insanity, while at the same time putting forth some subtle and some not so subtle warnings should either side be straying close to the line. This is in part to avoid any concerns of pre trial bias. Remember it is KC on trial not her defense team. Once the actual trial begins and these players are standing before the judge and jury presenting the full case the gloves come off and all players will be expected to behave and perform in a professional and legally appropriate manner.

And for all of our outrage over OMG he gave them more money. Really if you look at it in the big picture, The State of Florida is actually getting off fairly cheaply in this one. The judge and the JAC are keeping a very close watch on any and all costs and making the defense fight for ever dollar, thereby keeping the costs tightly controlled. Much more so than we think just from watching these little interplays. For comparison look at the Brian Nichols DP trial in Atlanta, and what it did to that states indigent defense budget.

If left to his own devices JB and company would be spending thousands of hours on investigative time. But through this careful alotment of small pieces the judge is keeping those costs lower and insuring that there really is alot less fishing or waste than we immediately perceive.

I love it when you keep us on track.

 

[JSV]

New documents reveal Casey Anthony's defense strategy


http://www.cfnews13.com/

Read docs here

http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/SKMBT_C45210121512020.pdf

 

[TiaM]

New documents reveal Casey Anthony's defense strategy


http://www.cfnews13.com/

Read docs here

http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/SKMBT_C45210121512020.pdf

Gotta love the wording. Baez says each of his experts are to "...rebut any false claims....." by the State's witnesses.

Who says their claims are false?? To me, that is simply his very biased opinion.

I wonder if this is "normal" verbiage, or just another way for him to be snarky and juvenile?

 

[Aedrys]

Quote:
"We have to do our due diligence," Baez said. "The state has listed every one as a Category A witness."



I don't understand what Baez was saying there????
The Deadline has already passed for the Defense to do depositions on all the State witnesses! What difference does it make how the State's witnesses are listed, in what category?

The Deadline has already passed for the State to add any new witnesses.
What is Baez talking about???? The Defense does not have to find anybody on the State Witness List in order to do depositions - that ship has sailed.

The only permissable new witnesses, are the TES searchers that the Defense can add by the end of this month, so the State can depose them by March 2011.

Due Diligence? To steal from the Princess Bride, I do not think that word means what you think it means, Baez.

You wouldn't know due diligence if it bit you on the butt. Due Diligence. Yeah, you dream that that is what you're doing in this case instead of doing everything OPPOSITE of that.

(and yes, my last quote came from Dexter, courtesy of Jordan Chase). I feel a bit better after Faefrost's post, but my problem here is discipline. HHJP smacks Baez down one day, then gives him something the next. It reminds me of how my husband's Aunt deals with my stepdaughter at times. That is not teaching a person to do what they need to do. It just lets them know what they can get away with so they can keep doing do less! I just feel like Baez is never going to shape up as long HHJP keeps rollercoasting his decisions, one day smackdown, next day, granted. Sheesh.

Then again, HHJP is a judge, not Baez's dad, so maybe I shouldn't be projecting that job onto him, LOL. And Faefrost is right, it's still coming out cheaper. I just wish May would get here faster.

 

[Aedrys]

Gotta love the wording. Baez says each of his experts are to "...rebut any false claims....." by the State's witnesses.

Who says their claims are false?? To me, that is simply his very biased opinion.

I wonder if this is "normal" verbiage, or just another way for him to be snarky and juvenile?

So if there are no false claims, is there no reason for Baez to use any experts? Is he screwed over if there are no false claims? :waitasec:

He didn't talk about his experts looking into true claims and finding a problem, undoing logic, or saying "Nanny nanny boo boo, your claim is poo poo," only that they were looking into false claims.

Of course, I can see their logic being that any claim made by the prosecution is false, so there you go, I answered my own question, LOL.

 

[JSV]

Gotta love the wording. Baez says each of his experts are to "...rebut any false claims....." by the State's witnesses.

Who says their claims are false?? To me, that is simply his very biased opinion.

I wonder if this is "normal" verbiage, or just another way for him to be snarky and juvenile?

Welcome TiaM
The defence is the only ones that say they are false claims .
He is snarky and juvenile plus more that I can't say .I will be glad when the trial starts and
is over and the prisoner is in prison where she belongs .IMO

 

[watcher9]

Gotta love the wording. Baez says each of his experts are to "...rebut any false claims....." by the State's witnesses.

Who says their claims are false?? To me, that is simply his very biased opinion.

I wonder if this is "normal" verbiage, or just another way for him to be snarky and juvenile?

Rebut means -

1. to refute by evidence or argument.
2. to oppose by contrary proof.
3. to provide some evidence or argument that refutes or opposes.

So if the defense experts are going to oppose any false claims, they may not have anything to do. Does that mean they would agree with any true claims which are what the SA will be presenting anyway?

 

[Sun]

Order addressing defendant's amended Motion for Additional Hours of Investigation and Motion to Approve prior travel of out of state experts

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6772692...s-of-Investigtion-and-Prior-Travel-of-Experts

I sure like how this order is worded! Baez receives another 110 investigative hours, to use for purposes of investigation into witnesses listed as Category A State Witnesses. Looks like no more TES searcher fishing on the taxpayer's funds!

 

[nums24]

Casey Investigator Wasting Taxpayer Money, Motion Suggests
Defense Investigator Out Hours, Despite Recent Allocation

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html

Video Report: http://www.wesh.com/r-video/26303243/detail.html

In a new 80-page filing, the Justice Administrative Commission said the investigator is already over his budgeted hours even after being allocated another 100 by Judge Belvin Perry just two weeks ago.

 

[Sun]

If Baez has used up the last 110 hours that he was given, I sure hope that he has something to show for it. At what point does Judge Perry question if hours asked for are being wasted?

 

[nums24]

If Baez has used up the last 110 hours that he was given, I sure hope that he has something to show for it. At what point does Judge Perry question if hours asked for are being wasted?

:waitasec: My impression from this was that after the audit, the additional 110 hours was already used up. That the defense had billed for 471 hours, even though they allotted 470 hours.

 

[Intermezzo]

Casey Investigator Wasting Taxpayer Money, Motion Suggests
Defense Investigator Out Hours, Despite Recent Allocation

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html

Video Report: http://www.wesh.com/r-video/26303243/detail.html

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html
"An investigator for Casey Anthony's defense team may be wasting time and taxpayer money, a new court filing suggests."

Finally!!!!:clap:
As a Florida Taxpayer I would like to give a big THANKS to the JAC

 

[nums24]

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html
"An investigator for Casey Anthony's defense team may be wasting time and taxpayer money, a new court filing suggests."

Finally!!!!:clap:
As a Florida Taxpayer I would like to give a big THANKS to the JAC

I would love to see the 80 page response! I tweeted WESH asking them to please post it, but then I checked the docket and I did not see that anyone purchased the 80 pages in the financial transactions.

 

[Sun]

:waitasec: My impression from this was that after the audit, the additional 110 hours was already used up. That the defense had billed for 471 hours, even though they allotted 470 hours.

That's what the article implies. HHJP may not be in a very generous mood come Jan 3.

 

[Mystic]

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html
JAC said in the new filing that investigator Jeremy Lyons has billed for 471 hours of work. He has only been budgeted 470 so far.

The JAC said the investigator is spending time on tasks that could be performed by a paralegal or secretary.


I'm curious as to why they would use a PI for work performed by a Paralegal work? Something not sounding right to me. moo

 

[Numbers]

http://www.wesh.com/r/26302674/detail.html
JAC said in the new filing that investigator Jeremy Lyons has billed for 471 hours of work. He has only been budgeted 470 so far.

The JAC said the investigator is spending time on tasks that could be performed by a paralegal or secretary.


I'm curious as to why they would use a PI for work performed by a Paralegal work? Something not sounding right to me. moo

RBM

Didn't Judge Perry mention something about this at the last hearing, too?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

HHJP's order allowing the additional 110 (over and above the hours that were already exceeded, as I understood it) was dated on Dec 20, 2010. I can't fathom how he could have already used up 110 hours in 8 days ~ especially with the Christmas holidays being included in the dates.

Did I misunderstand that it was an additional 110 hours regardless of whatever the prior overage was?

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Maybe this is just poor reporting? The article doesn't give inclusive dates for the audit. I'm totally confused!

 

[Numbers]

HHJP's order allowing the additional 110 (over and above the hours that were already exceeded, as I understood it) was dated on Dec 20, 2010. I can't fathom how he could have already used up 110 hours in 8 days ~ especially with the Christmas holidays being included in the dates.

Did I misunderstand that it was an additional 110 hours regardless of whatever the prior overage was?

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Maybe this is just poor reporting? The article doesn't give inclusive dates for the audit. I'm totally confused!

That's what I thought I heard.

Originally - 300 hours
Next hearing - 60 more hours
Recent hearing - whatever overage had already been incurred, plus 110 hours to "investigate" the "new" 110 TES people