People being detained and "exported" by ICE

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I don’t think people fully understand what it’s like to be an American citizen with brown skin right now. I was born here. I pay taxes. I’ve lived and worked in this country my whole life. But because of how I look, because of my skin color and because I have tattoos... I live with the fear that one day, I could be stopped, questioned, detained, and forced to prove I belong here.

That’s not paranoia. That’s reality.

Without strong protections for due process, people like me can be detained. Have been detained. Sometimes for hours, sometimes for days. If you can’t produce proof of citizenship fast enough or if someone just decides you “look illegal”, your entire life can be turned upside down.

This is why due process matters. It’s not just about abstract legal principles. It’s about real people. American citizens. Living in fear of being treated like we don’t belong in our own country.
 
I don’t think people fully understand what it’s like to be an American citizen with brown skin right now. I was born here. I pay taxes. I’ve lived and worked in this country my whole life. But because of how I look, because of my skin color and because I have tattoos... I live with the fear that one day, I could be stopped, questioned, detained, and forced to prove I belong here.

That’s not paranoia. That’s reality.

Without strong protections for due process, people like me can be detained. Have been detained. Sometimes for hours, sometimes for days. If you can’t produce proof of citizenship fast enough or if someone just decides you “look illegal”, your entire life can be turned upside down.

This is why due process matters. It’s not just about abstract legal principles. It’s about real people. American citizens. Living in fear of being treated like we don’t belong in our own country.

I'm so sorry that you're having to live with this fear and worry. Can not imagine what it must be like.

❤️
 
People can be very judgemental over how someone looks.
Ie assuming you weren't born in the country you were born in.

Years ago, mostly in my teens I would get people assuming I wasn't born in Australia, though I was.
I was called names like "wog". They assumed I was Greek or Italian.

They said it as though it wasn't a good thing, where in my mind I thought it was a compliment though I knew it wasn't meant as one.

How boring it would be if every one in your country had the exact same skin colour as you.

I've always loved that we come in so many lovely colours.
 
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F.B.I. Director Kash Patel said on Friday that agents had arrested a county judge in Milwaukee on charges of obstructing immigration enforcement. A spokesman for the U.S. Marshals confirmed the arrest of a sitting judge, a major escalation in the Trump administration’s battle with local authorities over deportations.

The bureau arrested Judge Hannah Dugan on suspicion that she “intentionally misdirected federal agents away from” an immigrant being pursued by federal authorities, Mr. Patel wrote on social media. He later deleted the post for reasons that were not immediately clear. An F.B.I. spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Brady McCarron, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals, confirmed that the judge had been arrested by F.B.I. agents on Friday morning. The charging document against the judge was not immediately available in federal court records.
 
After canceling thousands of foreign students' immigration records — threatening their ability to study and live in the US — the Trump administration has reversed course and restored them all.It follows intense pushback from courts across the country.

ICE had terminated the records of thousands of students from a federal database called SEVIS that tracks their legal status in the country. The effect of those terminations was in dispute, but many students said they had been barred from continuing their studies and were at risk of deportation.

The reason ICE appeared to have canceled their SEVIS records? Minor legal infractions that showed up in criminal history searches — which the law explicitly says is not a basis to deny a foreign student, studying on an F1 visa, their legal status. Now, after dozens of judges across the country flagged the likely illegality, ICE says it won't do that anymore. https://politico.com/news/2025/04/25/trump-admin-reverses-termination-foreign-student-visa-registrations-00309407

 
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F.B.I. Director Kash Patel said on Friday that agents had arrested a county judge in Milwaukee on charges of obstructing immigration enforcement. A spokesman for the U.S. Marshals confirmed the arrest of a sitting judge, a major escalation in the Trump administration’s battle with local authorities over deportations.

The bureau arrested Judge Hannah Dugan on suspicion that she “intentionally misdirected federal agents away from” an immigrant being pursued by federal authorities, Mr. Patel wrote on social media. He later deleted the post for reasons that were not immediately clear. An F.B.I. spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Brady McCarron, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals, confirmed that the judge had been arrested by F.B.I. agents on Friday morning. The charging document against the judge was not immediately available in federal court records.
I suspect this will not be the only judge to be arrested or to have allegations made about them.

The slippery slope is getting very slippery


Arresting judges without clear legal basis or using bogus charges to remove or intimidate them,
Refusing to enforce court rulings or trying to pack the courts with extreme loyalists outside of the proper process...

those would be major red flags of democratic backsliding or a move toward autocracy…
 
I suspect this will not be the only judge to be arrested or to have allegations made about them.

The slippery slope is getting very slippery


Arresting judges without clear legal basis or using bogus charges to remove or intimidate them,
Refusing to enforce court rulings or trying to pack the courts with extreme loyalists outside of the proper process...

those would be major red flags of democratic backsliding or a move toward autocracy…

Yep, but I'm sure there's gonna be some excuse from DJT followers about how it's okay, I thought he ran on stopping the weaponization of the justice system?
 
Ummmmm…You clearly didn’t even bother reading or thinking about my reply to you yesterday. Why? I read your posts. You just keep repeating what Trump and company say. I would hope you are willing to consider facts. Let’s try this again….

Much more detail at the link. Well worth reading.

Due Process and the Abrego Garcia Case - FactCheck.org

The Supreme Court ruled on the evening of April 10 that the Trump administration must comply with a lower court's order to "facilitate" the release from custody of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an immigrant who was deported without a hearing to a mega prison in El Salvador. The case underscores...
www.factcheck.org
www.factcheck.org

It’s true that Abrego Garcia received due process after being apprehended in 2019 — ultimately getting a judgment of withholding from removal — but he was not given due process before being removed from the country in March.

“The government could have presented its evidence before an immigration judge, the federal district court in Maryland, or in criminal proceedings as it has done in prosecuting cases of other alleged MS-13 members,” foreign affairs expert Tom Joscelyn and law professor Ryan Goodman recently explained in the online publication Just Security.
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Bondi overstated the findings from the bond hearing when she said in the Oval Office meeting, “In 2019, two courts — an immigration court and an appellate immigration court — ruled that he was a member of MS-13.” The courts didn’t “rule” on the issue; rather, they said that the report relied upon by DHS was inconsistent but “appears to be trustworthy” enough to deny bond.

A different immigration judge handled Abrego Garcia’s asylum claim. That judge didn’t rule on the issue of whether or not the government had proved Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13, but the judge reviewed all the evidence presented in the case and found that Abrego Garcia “provided credible responses to the questions asked” and that his testimony was “consistent with his asylum application and other documents.” The judge didn’t grant asylum because Abrego Garcia had filed his application seven years after entering the U.S., “well-beyond the one-year filing deadline.”

However, the judge did grant him “withholding of removal,” which is a form of relief for migrants who fear persecution, as explained by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Such a ruling prevents deportation to a person’s home country and allows that person the right to remain in the U.S. and work legally, but according to the American Immigration Council, “the government is still allowed to deport that person to a different country if the other country agrees to accept them.” It does not allow a path to permanent residence or citizenship in the U.S.

The judge found that Abrego Garcia had “suffered past persecution as he was threatened with death on more than one occasion” and that “the facts here show that the Barrio 18 gang continues to threaten and harass the Abrego family over these several years, and does so even though the family has moved three times.” The judge ruled that he could not be sent back to a country where he would be likely to suffer persecution.

The government did not appeal that ruling, and Abrego Garcia has been living and working in Maryland ever since.
BBM

he was only granted removal from one country... only one. over and over we've had this discussion.

under the aea - because abrego was already judged a member of ms-13 in 2019 and meets all the other aea criteria and furthermore allows that as an ms-13 gang member illegally living in the us he loses the granted removal to that one country.

the only due process abrego-garcia is allowed in 2025 is a hearing and all the government has to present is sufficient cause. the aea portion which i posted yesterday.

that was the due process a-g is to receive. out he goes.


jmo


the documents regarding abrego-garcia being judged an ms-13 member and the additional immigration order an be found here

 
he was only granted removal from one country... only one. over and over we've had this discussion. i just posted a link to judge woods document.

under the aea - because abrego was already judged a member of ms-13 in 2019 and meets all the other aea criteria and furthermore he loses the granted removal to that one country.

the only due process abrego-garcia is allowed in 2025 is a hearing and all the government has to present is sufficient cause. which was done. out he goes.


jmo


the documents regarding abrego-garcia.


The post youre responding to had all the information. Don't know why that's being ignored.
 
It’s about real people. American citizens. Living in fear of being treated like we don’t belong in our own country.
^snipped

I hope this is not considered off topic, but I do know somewhat how you feel. You brought back how I felt as a young child born in the US in the post-WW2 years. I am a 3rd generation of Japanese descent. Whenever Dec 7 would roll around, we all felt fear as the nation would “Remember Pearl Harbor”. The dirty looks, the slurs, the calls for “Go back to where you came from!” I always want to say: “This IS where I came from. I was born here, it’s the only country I have known.” My grandparents and parents were incarcerated at Manzanar for no crime, lost their homes and livelihoods, and this is the kind of ‘welcome back’ they got from some in the public.

If you’ve ever been to the Manzanar Historic site Visitor Center, there is a short film reel, and a former incarceree incredibly says in it: “I still think this is the best country in the world, hands down. It's just up to everybody to see that it stays that way."

So, I am heartened by many here who call for humanity and due process in the cases of the immigrants. But I do wonder what the person who quoted the above would think of this country—the US—today. 😞



moo
 

“In shelters across New York, migrant children sit in front of computer and TV screens, appearing virtually in real court proceedings. They swivel in chairs, walk in circles and play with their hair — while immigration judges address them on the screens in front of them.

“The reason we’re here is because the government of the United States wants you to leave the United States,” Judge Ubaid ul-Haq, presiding from a courtroom on Varick Street, told a group of about a dozen children on a recent morning on Webex.”

For whoever claimed upthread that no children were being required to represent themselves in court: “None of the children were accompanied by parents or attorneys, only shelter workers who helped them log on to the hearing.”
 

F.B.I. Director Kash Patel said on Friday that agents had arrested a county judge in Milwaukee on charges of obstructing immigration enforcement. A spokesman for the U.S. Marshals confirmed the arrest of a sitting judge, a major escalation in the Trump administration’s battle with local authorities over deportations.

The bureau arrested Judge Hannah Dugan on suspicion that she “intentionally misdirected federal agents away from” an immigrant being pursued by federal authorities, Mr. Patel wrote on social media. He later deleted the post for reasons that were not immediately clear. An F.B.I. spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Brady McCarron, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals, confirmed that the judge had been arrested by F.B.I. agents on Friday morning. The charging document against the judge was not immediately available in federal court records.
Wow, gotta love the administration arresting a judge with no charges! They really have no low.
 
I suspect this will not be the only judge to be arrested or to have allegations made about them.

The slippery slope is getting very slippery


Arresting judges without clear legal basis or using bogus charges to remove or intimidate them,
Refusing to enforce court rulings or trying to pack the courts with extreme loyalists outside of the proper process...

those would be major red flags of democratic backsliding or a move toward autocracy…

Judges and lawyers are expected to be the conductors of the laws of the land. This is a strong layer of the society. When they are attacked as the group it is a huge concern.
 
Judges and lawyers are expected to be the conductors of the laws of the land. This is a strong layer of the society. When they are attacked as the group it is a huge concern.
As a lawyer, I am expected to not break the law myself. And that is what happened here. I don't understand the sympathy here.
 
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