2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[strawberry]

Just realized because of what JG stated that he could imagine KC having an accident and than go into denial... I don't see any better witness than JG for the defense, except for River Cruz possibly. Being that, I still think the defense still has a weak case. Who else is a good witness for the defense, unless JB can bring in forensic specialists who can refute all the other forensic specialists....highly doubtful!?

I've been thinking about those statements too. They were so early on in the case though, I wonder if he has the same thoughts/feelings today.

 

[allycat1208]

I've been thinking about those statements too. They were so early on in the case though, I wonder if he has the same thoughts/feelings today.

I'm almost sure JB would just ask JG if he said those things on a specific date to an officer? JB would probably not ask him what he thinks now knowing it would probably not help. But who is a better witness than JG for JB?

 

[Kat]

It is my understanding that the SA doesn't have to present irrefutable proof that KC murdered Caylee. What they have to do is present evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that she did. In a great many murder cases that evidence of that proves beyond reasonable doubt is circumstantial evidence. As it is in this case.

I do agree that most of the evidence can be refuted, but has the SA proved beyond reasonable doubt that Caylee was murdered?

Maybe. The jury will decide. For me, yes but I'm not a juror.

As for Baez' assertion that Caylee drowned that puts KC at the scene of the death. I think it might come down to two testimonies (off the top of my head) and that is the testimony of Dr. G and the testimony of bug Dr.

Dr. G stated that the death was a homicide. Bug Dr. said that Caylee's body had been in the trunk of Caylee's car for 3 to 5 days.

Now I am wondering to myself. Will the Jury trust the information Dr. G and the bug Doc has testified to or will they believe KC?

 

[allycat1208]

I just re-watched the opening statement by the State. I believe based on that more testimony of the Duct Tape, sticker will come in. The only items that the state mentioned that has not been brought before the Jury is:

Duct Tape used to hang posters

Tattoo was mentioned 3 times in opening Statement

JG was mentioned 3 times also.

The botanist could be called but LDB said "you will see by the hundreds of photo's that plant growth grew into the blanket, laundry bag showing that Caylee was there for a long time" So I don't think the states last witness will be the botanist but rather will be called as a rebuttal.


JG I think rebuttal

I'm thinking tattoo guy is up tomorrow. *shrug*

What do you mean by "JG was mentioned 2 times also? By who, what and where? In the State's opening? I don't follow you...

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

My impression of the fingerprint expert was (and this is not a slam) that she is SO intelligent (kind of geeky) that she WOULD only be focused on her specific job, and as an afterthought attempted to photograph the heart shape. Some extremely intelligent people lack in the common sense dept (not necessarily her). I thought she was very credible.

Also, I can't wait for JB to present his defense theory. It appears that he will throw a bunch of stuff at the wall to see if any of it sticks. JMO

Your "see if...it sticks" comment reminded me of this 'oldie but goodie':

If your case is strong - argue the facts, if your case is middling - argue the law, if your case is weak - attack the other side.

Sure seems to be applicable to this trial, huh?

 

[Phoebeb]

OT- I hate to ask this, as it doesn't do much for my sleuthing abilities... but can someone point me FBI or crime scene photos of the duct tape please? I have checked "upstairs, and I only fine discussions - I would like to see the actual photos. I saw them somewhere- the tape was flattened out and I could have sworn I saw the heart shaped residue.

 

[flourish]

Who here thinks for one second that if the FBI tech had gone out of protocol and photographed the heart outline that the DT wouldn't be attempting to discount evidence BECAUSE she went out of protocol?

Her supervisor didn't advise her to take a photograph in the middle of regular testing protocols. Her supervisor didn't take a photograph in the middle of regular testing protocols. There are reasons why--standard operating procedures/protocols/rules/guidelines/standards that if ignored will definitely cause a problem, as well as possibly making any prints found after the photograph inadmissible!

 

[Elley Mae]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608shirleyplesea/1/lg/Shirley_Plesea_Page_01.htm it wasn't Yuri sorry it was these Det. that got the info from Shirley. Even she thought it was the 8th at first. Oh well maybe I'm wrong about this too.

 

[flourish]

What do you mean by "JG was mentioned 2 times also? By who, what and where? In the State's opening? I don't follow you...

I know the SA mentioned him re: the day she stopped by to take a shower.
I don't remember the SA mentioning him again, but that doesn't mean he wasn't mentioned. I'm just finishing listening to JB's OS, and I don't believe I've heard JG's name mentioned...fwiw

 

[Florida Native]

Another thought I have is if we are to believe that the duct tape was done by kidnappers, would kidnappers put duct tape over mouth and nose? If you were just trying to keep her quiet why over the nose? And why three strips?

Edited: I should have said if we are to believe that the duct tape was used to make it look like a kidnapping.

 

[Kat]

OT- I hate to ask this, as it doesn't do much for my sleuthing abilities... but can someone point me FBI or crime scene photos of the duct tape please? I have checked "upstairs, and I only fine discussions - I would like to see the actual photos. I saw them somewhere- the tape was flattened out and I could have sworn I saw the heart shaped residue.

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90039"]2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

HTH

 

[Lera213]

What do you mean by "JG was mentioned 2 times also? By who, what and where? In the State's opening? I don't follow you...

The state mentioned that ICA called Jesse G, texted him, spoke with him...he is the only witness to date that has not taken the stand.

Just my opinion. The state doesn't need to call him but after re-listening to the States opening statement if I were a juror I would want to hear from him because other witness that did take the stand mentioned his name also.

 

[Lera213]

OT- I hate to ask this, as it doesn't do much for my sleuthing abilities... but can someone point me FBI or crime scene photos of the duct tape please? I have checked "upstairs, and I only fine discussions - I would like to see the actual photos. I saw them somewhere- the tape was flattened out and I could have sworn I saw the heart shaped residue.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21249759/detail.html

1st slide off center top right looks like it is there, can see the bottom part of the heart upside down. If indeed that is it. The lines look to well formed not to be.

 

[allycat1208]

The state mentioned that ICA called Jesse G, texted him, spoke with him...he is the only witness to date that has not taken the stand.

Just my opinion. The state doesn't need to call him but after re-listening to the States opening statement if I were a juror I would want to hear from him because other witness that did take the stand mentioned his name also.

That's interesting. I don't remember the State mentioning JG's name in the opening statement. Is there a transcript of the written opening statement somewhere? Anyone?

 

[knt]

I've heard speculation that the state is saving some witnesses for rebuttal. I hope nobody important. The defense might very well rest their case without putting on a defense. Mason did that in one of his big trials. Certainly fits the defense M.O. of taking the easy way out. The state would be prevented from putting on rebuttal witnesses. Seems risky.

 

[MissJames]

Why would Detective Yuri Melich need to inform CA of the date her granddaughter was last seen?

CA called 911 on July 15, 2008 and stated that the last time she saw Caylee was June 7, 2008.

This was before she had ever heard of Detective Melich.

Cindy knew the events of the last day she saw Caylee,and she knew where thay'd been.She just mixed up her dates.WHen YM saw the dates of the NH pics he was the one who caught the date on the pics as June 15th.That's when he said something to Cindy.
She never tried to pretend the 15th didn't happen,just her dates were off.

And that's why YM had to tell CA the last she time she saw her grandaughter.

One more tidbit we poured over for the first year ,or so,of this case.

 

[Elley Mae]

Cindy knew the events of the last day she saw Caylee,and she knew where thay'd been.She just mixed up her dates.WHen YM saw the dates of the NH pics he was the one who caught the date on the pics as June 15th.That's when he said something to Cindy.
She never tried to pretend the 15th didn't happen,just her dates were off.

And that's why YM had to tell CA the last she time she saw her grandaughter.

One more tidbit we poured over for the first year ,or so,of this case.

You said that so well, thanks

 

[MissJames]

I've heard speculation that the state is saving some witnesses for rebuttal. I hope nobody important. The defense might very well rest their case without putting on a defense. Mason did that in one of his big trials. Certainly fits the defense M.O. of taking the easy way out. The state would be prevented from putting on rebuttal witnesses. Seems risky.

I think we'll see more witnesses before the State rests,just short and sweet and quick. But yes,I think that's a possibility.The DT could choose to rest as well. I still trust the SA's!

 

[Lera213]

I did a screen cap of where I think the heart is.

 

[flourish]

That's interesting. I don't remember the State mentioning JG's name in the opening statement. Is there a transcript of the written opening statement somewhere? Anyone?

The state mentioned that ICA called Jesse G, texted him, spoke with him...he is the only witness to date that has not taken the stand.

Just my opinion. The state doesn't need to call him but after re-listening to the States opening statement if I were a juror I would want to hear from him because other witness that did take the stand mentioned his name also.

I know the SA mentioned him re: the day she stopped by to take a shower.
I don't remember the SA mentioning him again, but that doesn't mean he wasn't mentioned. I'm just finishing listening to JB's OS, and I don't believe I've heard JG's name mentioned...fwiw

If we're recalling correctly, the SA mentioned him in regards to the shower, and in regards to her calling him and/or texting him to get her when she ran out of gas one of those Fridays (I don't recall when). Still listening to JB's OS and JG's name hasn't jumped out at me, but I do tend to tune JB out sometimes, so...?? :waitasec: