2011.06.23 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-six)

[thedeviledadvocate]

I'm not an attorney but I believe that is why Frye hearings were/are held. The court ruled this witness would only be allowed to testify about his area of expertise.

We can't have an electrician testify about a plumbing issue even if the person has knowledge of plumbing(as an example). Hope that made sense.

I agree with your example, however in this case, the expert is more like a general contractor who has expertise in many fields. The jury heard his qualifications, and based on those, even though JP ruled him as an expert only in the one field, the jury can still want to know what he has to say. I understand that JA's objections are legal and necessary. That still would not cause me as a juror, not to be curious about what this expert might have to say, especially when JA is so obviously trying to keep whatever this expert might have to say off the record.

I'm not saying JA is in the wrong, I am saying that a juror's natural curiousity may come into play, and a juror may want to know the answers.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[laserdisc10]

And since these jurors all seem to be very well educated individuals, I have no doubt at all that they can see this for themselves....


SA has nothing to hide. It is just good ole fashioned, well experienced, well educated lawyering!

JA is objecting to what is obviously Baez' LACK OF EDUCATION regarding the law.....RUles of Law are there for a reason, and ALL court officers are uphold them....

Letting Baez off the hook for having limited knowledge of the law and rules regarding questioning of witnesses does NOT let him off the hook and allow him to just run nilly willy all over the courtroom!

JA is doing what any other officer of the law would do in ANY courtroom when faced with an attorney who has no clue what he is doing, does not have the ability to learn from those who attempt to set them on the right path, and displays an attitude to attempt to cover their lack of experience and knowledge.

Well said. And it's what most observers would draw from what they're seeing in this trial

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Lunch is romaine lettuce, onions, and chicken breast with a lemon/olive oil dressing, a small wedge of cataloupe. and unsweet tea. Jealous?

Lunch recess over at 1:30, right? Might have time to vacuum.

 

[KathrynL]

This morning I learned that robins care more for their babies than KC apparently did. Heard pandemonium in the back yard and went out to see a baby bird in my yard which was being investigated by one of my dogs (Rex, the Corgi in my avatar). Mom and Dad bird were screeching and diving. I got Rex away and the young bird trotted away but apparently couldn't fly. I got all dogs locked in the house and hoped the bird parents were able to rescue their baby somehow. Even birds give a care for their endangered offspring, and make quite a fuss while they're at it.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I keep wondering if we will be here on the 4th of July. Will that be the day the defense calls Casey? Sort of an Independence day finally.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Went to Giordano's between flights in Chicago--loved it. Went to Uno's way back when--is that still good?

Giordano's beats Uno's hands down, IMHO (Lived in Chi-town for 6 years, loved it) Uno's has a cornmeal crust. I'm not a fan.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Went to Giordano's between flights in Chicago--loved it. Went to Uno's way back when--is that still good?

Uno's and Gino's are still probably the standard bearers here. But Pizza in Chicago is about a touchy a subject you can get into here - next to politics, religion and baseball....

FWIW - Giordano's ships as well - never really liked Malnati's crust (and there's one in my little Ville). I think Giordano's is a little less processed tasting

 

[SCWldneart]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it makes sense that, if KC is willing to throw everyone in her entire family under the bus for her own freedom she wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing with Caylee?

 

[BritsKate]

Chicago style deep dish and beer? Ya'll are making this former Midwesterner homesick!

 

[darnudes]

The talking head lawyer Jeff Dean(?) just said that Jeff is scared of Dr Logan and his testimony....LOL, No more like this is round 2 of Dr Timmy, Jeff hates these pretentious, lying, experts for hire who will say anything for some money or some recognition and he will go for their jugular because they disgust him.

 

[JustMeDeb]

P.S - Are any of you chemists or, even better, analytical chemists?

Well I have looked up and studied how make chloroform.

I believe I am now an analytical chemist.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If I were a juror, I would be asking why the defense is trying to get this expert witness to testify to things he is not an expert in? I would be annoyed with the defense for continuing to ask questions they know this witness can not answer and forcing JA to object. JA is simply doing his job according to the law... DCS on the other hand is not doing her job by continuing to ask this witness things she knows he can not answer according to the law. It is the defense that is acting sneaky. Obviously they could not get an expert in the same expertise as Dr. Vass to discredit him, so they are trying to get this witness to discredit him... who has no business discrediting things for which he is not an expert in.

Just sayin'.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

The problem with this testimony is that Dr. Logan is not an expert (and was not accepted as one by the court) on the issue of laboratory qualifications or operations. Or anything except forensic toxicology. Lawyer Sims knew this, but instead of keeping her questions in this area, she continually asked him questions outside of his area of expertise. I mean we all have opinions on these issues, but we are not experts with special knowledge and experience so we could be capable of telling the jury things they could not know on their own. If she did not agree with the court's ruling on his expertise, there are things she could have done. The thing she could not do is just ignore the court and continue on with her questions. The state had no choice but to object. If they didn't, then anyone could get up there and pontificate about their opinion about anything. Then the trial would be nothing but uninformed opinions elicited by incompetent attorneys.

MOO

I do understand, and I am sure the jury understands as well. I personally have always felt that the state wanted the truth to be known. This trial has made me realize that that is not the case. The state wants to win the trial, and the truth has nothing to do with it. JMO

 

[RSDhoping for a cure]

When is DT going to give up on trying to discredit Dr. Vass?

It is ridiculous isn't it. I mean numerous people stated the car smelled of deomposition so even if it were possible for him to discredit Dr. Vass how does he get around all the rest? It's really time to move onto something else. :banghead:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it makes sense that, if KC is willing to throw everyone in her entire family under the bus for her own freedom she wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing with Caylee?

I don't think she's capable of forming strong, lasting bonds with anyone, to be quite honest with you. In fact, I don't think she's capable of even forming tenuous bonds with others. I'm no psychiatrist, but this is one very disturbed girl, imo.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

The talking head lawyer Jeff Dean(?) just said that Jeff is scared of Dr Logan and his testimony....LOL, No more like this is round 2 of Dr Timmy, Jeff hates these pretentious, lying, experts for hire who will say anything for some money or some recognition and he will go for their jugular because they disgust him.

I think it may well become the ne plus ultra of iorny when JA asks about Logan's recent laboratory standards and practices. IYKWIM

 

[grammieto5]

I just think all the planets were in alignment for Caylee when this Motley Crew came together. You would have to search far and wide in order to assemble a more ineffective bunch of Attorneys than Baez Mason and Simms.

Now that would look good on a T-shirt LOL

 

[nursebeeme]

Lunch is romaine lettuce, onions, and chicken breast with a lemon/olive oil dressing, a small wedge of cataloupe. and unsweet tea. Jealous?

Lunch recess over at 1:30, right? Might have time to vacuum.

i am eating a bomb pop and typing w one finger lol

 

[laserdisc10]

I think it may well become the ne plus ultra of iorny when JA asks about Logan's recent laboratory standards and practices. IYKWIM

Amongst so many great posts, this still must rank as a leading nominee for Post of the Day

 

[Beyond Belief]

Everybody is allowed to know the truth except the jury, they have to guess.