2011.06.25 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-eight)

[Tuffy]

I just remembered...someone posted earlier about Mallory knowing alot more than she was saying. If you read her deposition, she is not very forthcoming. What I mean is, she seems to "know" very little about the family she is marrying into. Did she not EVER ask any questions. If you believe her depo...she doesn't know JACK!

Kind of like Lee! He doesn't know anything, or ask about anything involving his family. They claim to be so close, but if you believe their depositions they didn't seem to know or care what one another were doing.

 

[Hey boss!]

I'll tell you what the family secret is...A psychopath was the mother of their only grandchild. Casey ran that household, especially after Caylee was born. She used that child to hold over their heads. They walked on eggshells. They were afraid to say anything much or Casey may leave and take Caylee with her.

Yep, I have seen more than one set of grandparents put up with some stoooopid stuff because they were afraid they would never see their
grandkid(s) again if they stood of for themselves. I personally hate "grandpartent rights" laws cause I think they are abused, but I can certainly see where they spawned from.

 

[stilettos]

which means Paid Time Off which is what salaried workers put down when they take a day off. And on 3/25 it shows she only worked 5 hours and left early and there it was accurately reported. The evidence shows her daily hours varied and were recorded accurately. Her lies are just too easy to refute. I wonder if CA sickens the SA's with her willingness to lie for her granddaughters murderer? I'm sure they have sympathy and wanted to go easy on her but this is just a little too much in their face.

I am freaking done with her! At first I was so mad at her for cleaning the car...cause you know...who would not call LE? Then when she testified for the SA I felt sorry for her. Should have remembered that disordered people can really fool you and laugh while doing it. Did you guys see her smile at Miss Linda when she asked her to repeat the question. I am so done with these people..I hope CA gets charged with perjury and I am quite sure there are some people at Gentiva that will give her a helping hand. I am not even sure if I can handle what GA is gonna do on the stand.:banghead:

 

[bayouland]

I found it here, by accident.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/dcasey010709.pdf

Thanks!!!

 

[Hey boss!]

I just found something totally bizarre - In one of Cindy's letters (7 June 2010) to ICA she says...

"Thank you for trying to call me on Mother’s Day. We gave up the house phone right after you left home in 2008.
Dad, Lee and I kept our same cell phone #’s. Maybe sometime you can call me. It’s
***-4731."

Didn't Cindy on the stand say that she hadn't changed the home phone number and it was still the same?

Why yes, I believe she did.

 

[countzero]

One problem - CA did not think of Caylee as missing. She thought she was with ICA and assorted friends, nanny and family of said nanny. That is very clear from her testimony just after the 16th of July.

No getting around it.

A missing grandchild is not a problem .... Maybe I am abnormal. The SA sees it the way I do.

If one of my children and their child were gone from the only home they known for 31 days and I found my child with their vehicle reeking of death, and not my grandchild .... You couldn't grab that phone from my hands quick enough to stop me from calling 911. Actually, I would have called LE from the tow yard.

CA has no excuse. There is no lie she can tell that will absolve her in Caylee's murder; either direct or indirect.

Now I am going to clean dinner dishes. They have been sitting in the sink for hours. :crazy:

 

[housemouse]

Now that the lying has started on the witness stand anyway, I wish one side or the other would mention the fight that supposedly took place on the night of the 15th of June. I think it is important and would allow the jury to see more of the family dynamics. They are only getting bits and pieces, nothing like the real story. But of course none of the A's would tell it like it happened anyway...

I think, but am not entirely sure, that while it means a lot to us to see and try to understand the family dynamics, it doesn't fall into HHJP's definition of "relevance" to the case.

How many of us have had fights with our parents, adult children, siblings, etc. and have not then gone and done in a child to get even with the other.

I can see why HHJP would rule this out, but it does matter to me, because of all I know about ICA's vindictive self-centered narcissistic behavior.

 

[Tipstaff]

One problem - CA did not think of Caylee as missing. She thought she was with ICA and assorted friends, nanny and family of said nanny. That is very clear from her testimony just after the 16th of July.

No getting around it.

Considering how much we have learned about Cindy's controlling nature on everything in the A's household, I no longer believed CA believed Casey's story, she just didn't know what to do to corral her and get her back home.

No way CA would lay low and let Caylee be gone for 31 days, what don't we know went on at the A's in this time frame is a mystery but never for a minute did CA go about her business thinking or believing Casey's story.

As much as we know what ICA did in the 31 days, it would be a huge piece of the puzzle knowing what CA did day to day.

 

[cluciano63]

RH is saying on WS radio that he doesn't think we will hear what happened on Saturday...he thinks it was more of a DT "housekeeping" issue per say...that CM was frustrated as he saw JB about to lose them another witness and that he may have gone to talk to the judge about how they will need to proceed if they can't use either of the two witnesses in question. So JP may have given them the weekend to figure things out...sigh...

 

[MissJames]

I am very familiar with cremation jewelry because I have lived exclusively within the military community for not only almost two decades but over 10 years of those were lived during the war(s).

To be honest I think nothing of it. I knew someone that had a small bit her Husband's ashes in an absolutely beautiful necklace and she said it was so that she could "always have him close to her heart".

But we each have our own opinions. That is what makes WS so interesting

All JMHO.

I have a silver heart with my son's ashes in it .My daughter's each have one,also. I never thought about it until he died and we saw them displayed at the funeral home .
Unless you've lost a child it might seem odd,but it's very ,very hard to let go,especially in those days immediately following their death. Keeping them close to you doesn't seem so odd when it's your child .JMO

 

[Hey boss!]

OK Thank you

Plus, I think it depends on your definition of a paragraph. I have 3. One talked at 9 months and could recite a movie at almost 3, one didn't talk until 4, and the other was what I would call typical. blah blah doggie blah go blah blah blah milk. I mean, if you can't understand more than 50 percent of the words, does it still count as a paragraph?

 

[cluciano63]

I think, but am not entirely sure, that while it means a lot to us to see and try to understand the family dynamics, it doesn't fall into HHJP's definition of "relevance" to the case.

How many of us have had fights with our parents, adult children, siblings, etc. and have not then gone and done in a child to get even with the other.

I can see why HHJP would rule this out, but it does matter to me, because of all I know about ICA's vindictive self-centered narcissistic behavior.

I know...but I am one of the ones who did not know the details of this case before April or so of this year...and if not for WS threads, I would not know what this family is like, would not have a clear picture of the dynamic between Cindy and Casey at all. I know motive does not need to be proven, but right now, as a "juror" I would not be able to make that leap that Casey just decided one day to kill Caylee. Personally, I think her motive was very personal and targeted Cindy-she wanted to hurt Cindy in the worst way, just because she could. Not just for her "beautiful life" as Cindy was always going to give in and babysit in the end...

 

[logicalgirl]

Absolutely,but I wouldn't call it ignorance :seeya:

I think we have seen so much &$ from JB and the Anthony's over the last 3 years that it may appear we are hate mongers or have tunnel vision,to those who are only just learning about them.
I hope that makes sense.

I wasn't really referring to the jurors perspective.

Just agreeing with MissJames here and want to point out the following isn't necessarily what MissJames also thinks..

Agree and I would add that for those of us who have been following this trial for any length of time already have a set agenda in our minds and we need/want the evidence to follow our pre-set agenda.

And it's a pretty normal for process for people, we read or learn information and keep or discard it based on our own belief system or point of reference, moral compass or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Pita]

I was just thinking about the prosecutors rebuttal, Robyn has been cooling her heels in the Orange county jail waiting to testify..then I remembered the jail house letters where Casey accused her brother of sneaking in her room at night and lifting her bra, but she also says she THINKS her father did also but she was to young. In my mind that exonerates George because surly you would remember at thirteen years of age, and had to do what Jose said in his OS.
They may bring Lazarro back to tell the jury Casey told him it never happened with Lee.

The DT knows the pros have those letters and will probably use them, so why are they fighting so hard to get the abuse excuse in when Casey's own words say differently.

I WANT REBUTTAL....!!!!!

 

[stilettos]

I have a silver heart with my son's ashes in it .My daughter's each have one,also. I never thought about it until he died and we saw them displayed at the funeral home .
Unless you've lost a child it might seem odd,but it's very ,very hard to let go,especially in those days immediately following their death. Keeping them close to you doesn't seem so odd when it's your child .JMO

:blowkiss:

 

[pcrum12]

Not so sure there was any "they" involved in the naming of Caylee... I think that was all ICA. moo

Naming Caylee reeks of CINDY IMO

 

[cluciano63]

RH is saying he believes aggravated manslaughter is the correct verdict and the one he expects...FWIW

 

[housemouse]

Yes, it is possible. Children all develop speech and speech patterns at different rates. Some quicker than others.

One of my sons started talking at 10 months, but refused to try walking until he was almost 15 months. The pattern continued! He could talk up a storm, argue a blue streak, but was afraid to try any physical until he was sure he could master it on first try.

Then there are the "geronimo" kids, who walk at 9 months, try to climb the "big slide" at the park when they are barely 12 months, fear nothing, and their poor mothers spend most of their waking time in the emergency room, dealing with the falls and broken bones.

Not sure which is worse, the yakkers or the daredevils?

 

[suzihawk]

RH is saying on WS radio that he doesn't think we will hear what happened on Saturday...he thinks it was more of a DT "housekeeping" issue per say...that CM was frustrated as he saw JB about to lose them another witness and that he may have gone to talk to the judge about how they will need to proceed if they can't use either of the two witnesses in question. So JP may have given them the weekend to figure things out...sigh...

I respect (most of) RH's opinions. But I don't agree with him on this. I don't believe that HHJP would throw away an entire day of testimony AND seal the record if it were simply housekeeping issues. Plus he (HHJP) said it wasn't related to the previous argument about Furton. And I don't see HHJP lying about that - or anything else, for that matter. JMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Not directed at anyone in particular here. The only confirmed single piece of evidence that exists from a story told by an Anthony is the copy of the police report when GA reported the gas cans missing. If I am wrong, someone please correct me with a wet noodle smack.

All the other stories told by any Anthony, are just that. Stories; nothing that can be confirmed and verified by LE or the FBI. Until that happens, the Anthonys are nothing but polished and skilled liars. Well, maybe not that good, but ya get my drift.

Mercy, countzero, even when the Anthonys think they are telling the truth they're not ~ because the other Anthony who told them was lying. :whoosh: