2011.06.25 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-eight)

[logicalgirl]

A missing grandchild is not a problem .... Maybe I am abnormal. The SA sees it the way I do.

If one of my children and their child were gone from the only home they known for 31 days and I found my child with their vehicle reeking of death, and not my grandchild .... You couldn't grab that phone from my hands quick enough to stop me from calling 911. Actually, I would have called LE from the tow yard.

CA has no excuse. There is no lie she can tell that will absolve her in Caylee's murder; either direct or indirect.

Now I am going to clean dinner dishes. They have been sitting in the sink for hours. :crazy:

It's okay - this is where we disagree - I believe CA thought Caylee was absent but not missing. We've heard and read the intense web of lies that ICA constantly wove along with the reassurance that Caylee was fine and with so and so and going here and going there. Clearly she had some concerns about how well Caylee was being looked after while she was being dragged from pillar to post (as some say) and CA obviously missed her terribly and didn't understand why ICA wouldn't let CA at least speak to her on the phone or bring her home for a quick visit.

But CA did not think Caylee was missing. CA clearly picked up the phone and called 911 once she found ICA and found out Caylee was "gone".
At that point there was no question about her protecting ICA over Caylee.

All IMO and as I said - different strokes..

 

[Lovejac]

Mercy, countzero, even when the Anthonys think they are telling the truth they're not ~ because the other Anthony who told them was lying. :whoosh:

The 'thanks' button was NOT enough!

I vote this as 'Post of the Day"! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[Rapunzel]

A missing grandchild is not a problem .... Maybe I am abnormal. The SA sees it the way I do.

If one of my children and their child were gone from the only home they known for 31 days and I found my child with their vehicle reeking of death, and not my grandchild .... You couldn't grab that phone from my hands quick enough to stop me from calling 911. Actually, I would have called LE from the tow yard.

CA has no excuse. There is no lie she can tell that will absolve her in Caylee's murder; either direct or indirect.

Now I am going to clean dinner dishes. They have been sitting in the sink for hours. :crazy:

Talk about stupidity!!! I cannot understand for the life of me an ex LE officer smelling decomp. in his daughters car and not calling 911, then try to call his daughter...then he goes to work??? Cindy goes back to work??? None of this makes any sense to me and it's hard to believe this early they were in cover up mode.

 

[Rapunzel]

RH is saying on WS radio that he doesn't think we will hear what happened on Saturday...he thinks it was more of a DT "housekeeping" issue per say...that CM was frustrated as he saw JB about to lose them another witness and that he may have gone to talk to the judge about how they will need to proceed if they can't use either of the two witnesses in question. So JP may have given them the weekend to figure things out...sigh...

But they had at least a few witnesses waiting in the hall....a housekeeping issue could have waited until close of business...???

 

[cluciano63]

But they had at least a few witnesses waiting in the hall....a housekeeping issue could have waited until close of business...???

I'm just the messenger

 

[housemouse]

ITA all of your description of the family dynamics once Caylee was born. When Cindy said to Casey she had already started looking into custody of Caylee, Casey kind of freaked b/c there was her meal-ticket...w/o custody of her child, she could be asked to leave her family home. Sure she tried to get AWAY from the house and Caylee, to sleep with *fill in the blank*, party at Fusian and any other place she could find. But to actually be kicked out, she couldn't deal with that. That would mean getting a REAL job and supporting herself. They could even take her car from her.

IMO Lee enjoyed a few short years of "only child" status. When Casey was born, she immed. became the apple of her father's eye and was someone for Cindy to dress up, show off, etc. Lee was kinda pushed to the back burner and Princess Casey enjoyed a life of no responsibilities, incessant doting, etc.
The flagellation was probably so harmful to Lee as a child he would have probably benefitted therapy. But, his feelings went unnoticed. Because CA and GA were not willing to admit there was any problem at all, and since Lee was on Back Burner status, they might not even have noticed.
Casey grows into a consummate liar, and that too is ignored by CA and GA.
Why I don't know, perhaps because they themselves were liars. So instead of addressing the problem, they covered for Casey's lies and weren't willing to accept SHE needed therapy- BIG TIME- too. Did Cindy squash this feeling b/c she was so into the "perfect family" on the outside that it just didn't fit into HER fantasy?

This is a good insight into the family dynamics, I think. My husband's parents were very similar to George and Cindy. My husband when he was 6, got the job of taking care of his "baby" sister, so his mother could spend endless hours keeping the house spotless, and his father was supposed to work two jobs so the income would help them get "up" in life.

Sometimes the eldest children are expected to be substitute parents, at an age when they are too young to handle the responsibility. I was the eldest in my family, and was expected to be the perfect model that the younger sibs would follow.

All I felt was inadequate to the task, and unloved, because I could never measure up to the expectations placed on me.

Heck, I am now 67 years old, and know better, but I still feel responsible for my younger siblings in a weird way. Fortunately my husband reminds me that I got a bad message, and should ignore that tape playing in my head.

If Lee got this message, he probably feels responsible for everything that went wrong in that family. Maybe that is the reason for his emotion on the stand? Who knows....

 

[MissJames]

I honestly wish the SA could bring that up that supposedly ICA did not call 911 when her child drowned in the pool, but she called 911 when protesters were throwing pennies at their house....you can't make this stuff up!!!

That would be awesome!

 

[PennyC]

Can someone tell me why no mention of a James Thompson seeing Caylee with Casey at walmart the day of the 16th? Did it turn out to not be true or something? TIA

 

[Boytwnmom]

which were between him and someone named Luke and the psychic and they were just bizarre. They blamed Amy for taking Caylee and accused Tony L of getting ICA into prostitution and involved in, I think it was a drug ring, and ICA was staying with him because he told her it was a safe house and she was worried about Caylee. They were accusing all these innocent people of all kinds of things. But I did laugh when I saw they had also checked out some address in PR where someone named Baez lived and some other choice comments about Jose!

Yes Luke) tha t c e r t a inly got my a t t ent ion. St r ange tha t the name "Baez" comes up in int e r e s t ing pl a c e s . . . Dominic!

Well) we had heard a whi l e back tha t Kronk was involved with someone ins ide OCSO) thi s would be a s ibl e expl a ina t ion of how Kronk ended up a t the Suburban Dr a r e a so many t ime s . I'm not sugge s t ing tha t Casey s a id anything to Baez but what i f Baez s a id i t to Casey - tha t i s ) Raez knew tha t Cayl e e ' s remains were the r e ?

When I had some free time today, I went back and read the police/FBI interview of Dominic Casey.

With all we know of how the Anthony family predilection (and Baez!) for taking a small piece of truth, then creating a story with a slight change of characters to suit their needs, I can imagine Kronk being a "stand-in" for Dominic Casey.

Re-read that interview, check the time-line, and join me in being suspicious of the entire lot of them (Baez, Casey, Cindy, and D. Casey).

George is the only one I am willing to cut some slack!

 

[Tipstaff]

Talk about stupidity!!! I cannot understand for the life of me an ex LE officer smelling decomp. in his daughters car and not calling 911, then try to call his daughter...then he goes to work??? Cindy goes back to work??? None of this makes any sense to me and it's hard to believe this early they were in cover up mode.

This is exactly what makes me question what CA and GA were doing in that 31 days ...no way CA would just be accepting Casey's story. No way. And GA as ex LE???

 

[allycat1208]

Talk about stupidity!!! I cannot understand for the life of me an ex LE officer smelling decomp. in his daughters car and not calling 911, then try to call his daughter...then he goes to work??? Cindy goes back to work??? None of this makes any sense to me and it's hard to believe this early they were in cover up mode.

How many hours did CA and GA wait to call the police after they found the car? It must have been a while. It does sound bizarre, but I don't think they were in cover up mode yet, I think they were just in shock and didn't know what to do until they found KC. But if anyone, GA who was in law enforcement should have know to call the police asap.

 

[MissJames]

which means Paid Time Off which is what salaried workers put down when they take a day off. And on 3/25 it shows she only worked 5 hours and left early and there it was accurately reported. The evidence shows her daily hours varied and were recorded accurately. Her lies are just too easy to refute. I wonder if CA sickens the SA's with her willingness to lie for her granddaughters murderer? I'm sure they have sympathy and wanted to go easy on her but this is just a little too much in their face.

Here's what I don't get.
CA knows the SA's have her time sheets and that people from her job are on the witness list.She knows they have their phone records ,computer records and depo. What was she thinking? She knows they can prove she's lying. :waitasec:

 

[symbolic]

RH is saying on WS radio that he doesn't think we will hear what happened on Saturday...he thinks it was more of a DT "housekeeping" issue per say...that CM was frustrated as he saw JB about to lose them another witness and that he may have gone to talk to the judge about how they will need to proceed if they can't use either of the two witnesses in question. So JP may have given them the weekend to figure things out...sigh...

Respectfully ...Naaahhh
Another TH dying to propose "the winning speculation",
If it was trial/testimony/witness testimony... There is NO way
that the SA would sitting back in the courtroom for part of it IMHO

 

[Rapunzel]

This is the attorney who is a member here, Richard Hornsby (?)...he is pretty much up on all things legal and this case in particular...
Again, just passing along what he is saying...

I know who he is...he is wrong...JMO

10-15 years for aggravated manslaughter??? Give me a break!!!

I know everyone is most protective of him, but really who believes this??? show of hands???

 

[Oakley]

He received the call. He stood up on camera, under oath and on the record,and gave the name of the DOD official, and described the incident. Are you suggesting he LIED about this on national television, using the DOD officials name?

Yes he did. He specifically said the call was 'unsolicited.' Of course Jose kept implying otherwise

 

[Hey boss!]

Here's what I don't get.
CA knows the SA's have her time sheets and that people from her job are on the witness list.She knows they have their phone records ,computer records and depo. What was she thinking? She knows they can prove she's lying. :waitasec:

Well here's what I don't get:
Casey knew she didn't work at universal, but she walked LE right up to the door of her "office". Among some of the other whoppers she told them that night/morning.

Delusion apparently runs in the family.

 

[Jstc4caylee]

Well here's what I don't get:
Casey knew she didn't work at universal, but she walked LE right up to the door of her "office". Among some of the other whoppers she told them that night/morning.

Delusion apparently runs in the family.

LOl..yep...right to the office of someone who post's right here on WS :rocker:

 

[MissJames]

which were between him and someone named Luke and the psychic and they were just bizarre. They blamed Amy for taking Caylee and accused Tony L of getting ICA into prostitution and involved in, I think it was a drug ring, and ICA was staying with him because he told her it was a safe house and she was worried about Caylee. They were accusing all these innocent people of all kinds of things. But I did laugh when I saw they had also checked out some address in PR where someone named Baez lived and some other choice comments about Jose!

Do you mean Ginnette Lucas?
She is the Psychic who supposedly gave Dominic Casey the area to look for Caylee.

 

[MissJames]

Well here's what I don't get:
Casey knew she didn't work at universal, but she walked LE right up to the door of her "office". Among some of the other whoppers she told them that night/morning.

Delusion apparently runs in the family.

Of course :doh:

 

[technicalconfusion]

Maybe they are illegal but lots of places do it...my last workplace did and my sister's does...

Yea, but is any employee a witness in a murder trial that's being televised on national television? That's the difference. CA is throwing her former workplace under the bus.


....Which, if you think about it, gives a potential employer another reason *not* to hire her.