2011.06.29 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Thirty-One)

[technicalconfusion]

Anybody think Baez may be, ahem, 'misrepresenting' when he will be done to the judge so no one thinks Casey will take the stand? I know he is a pillar of honesty and all but...

:floorlaugh:

 

[QuietStorm]

mine too and I keep thinking about the prosecutor (I think() who adopted the surviving 2 kids.

I can't remember which was the first, but Helter Skelter was one of them, Small Sacrifices another, Ted Bundy another, and the Green River killer story another. Lesser ones in-between. Didn't read any about S Peterson except the one his sister wrote. What interests me is that people can actually kill other people, let alone kill the ones they love. What motivates me is some inner need to know how they think and what makes them able to kill so heartlessly,

 

[MomCat]

Unfortunately I can speak from experience and the Mother worried about her little boy in the dark and rain....

I remember that very night after the burial realizing that the person who I loved most in the world would not be tucking in his sweet children for the night nor would the warmth of his body be curled up next to mine as we slept. My parents had my little ones that night and before it was light out, I drove to the cemetery, put our favourite blanket on the ground and laid down next to the freshly dug earth and flowers. I didn't care how it looked or how strange people would think I was, I just needed to be with my husband.

Grief is a long, exhausting journey and even though we all grieve differently, there is nothing in ICA's demeanor after her daughter was killed, whether by her own hands or an accident, that spoke of grief imo.

Bless you.

I did something similar when my beloved foster father/ best friend died. We had to go pack up and empty his apartment. It was so hard, putting his things in boxes. Then I had to go into the walk-in closet to gather his clothes. It was too much. I sat for hours on the floor, weeping with my face buried in his shirts, breathing his scent and the faint lingering touch of Grey Flannel cologne and his favorite vanilla pipe tobacco. How I wanted that smell, and knew I'd never have it again. D-mmit, now I'm crying again.

Reading these threads, it's clear today's testimonies opened up so many painful--and some wonderful, I am sure--memories for so many if us. I can only pray if it hit all of us this hard, how it must have affected the jury who had to sit in the same room all these people.

The jury must make the right decision and... remove that monster woman from our midst. Someone who can so callously destroy a loved one with no concern fot those who loved that child. We grieve for those we love. I believe, everything else aside, GA and CA grieve.

The jury must remove ICA. They simply must.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I have to say the example brought up by Sally Karioth about the mother who worried about her child being alone in a rainstorm.....had me in tears. i have spontaneously burst out in tears several times since then.

I told my husband the story and he even dropped his head with emotion.

It reminds me of my grandmother passing away. She was afraid of fire so she didn't want to be cremated. She had been afraid of drowning so she didn't want to be buried in case there was one day a flood.

My parents had her buried in a Mausoleum so she would be under roof and dry. In a small way, it was a comfort for us to know she had a lovely lake view in a beautiful stone house.

 

[MaryBelle]

Did anyone else see that clip on HLN of GA walking up to take the stand?? He was walking right up behind JB, who was at the podium. JB realized GA was there and jumped! Scared the beans out of him!! If looks could kill, JB would be dead!

Yes, I did. It looked like GA was looking directly at ICA and almost walked into the podium, startling JB.
Jane is running that clip over and over now, as a matter of fact.

 

[xin]

I can tell you first hand that grief does not make me want to party. I lost my husband suddenly and tragically one month ago, 5/27.

I am like a crazy lady with Alzheimer's. I can't remember anything, can't sleep. can't eat, can't focus. The thought of going out and trying to be social is not even on my radar.

I can't believe I can post on this thread to be quite honest.

However, I have learned that grief is funny and there is no "normal" standard to measure one's progress in the process.

I think I tend to disassociate a bit...I do the things I HAVE to do and do them well, then I become like a zombie or I am curled up in a ball sobbing. Lots of denial and protecting myself from the reality of it.

I have thought of getting a tattoo for him, but again, thinking it and having the energy to do....that is a long reach to get there.

Just giving my 2 cents about the first 31 days of loss.

We're glad you are here with us, and hope that the fellowship brings you some comfort.

 

[Amster]

I do believe there is something we've not been told. There is no doubt in my mind that CA and ICA had a big fight the night of the 15th....

 

[flgrandma]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I believe Ashton in his cross examination of the dr was having her explain (in an indirect way) why CA kept denying that Caylee was dead and that ICA murdered her. I believe now that the whole family knows but the PT has allowed them to "stick" to their depositions because that is what they believed and/or said since it can all be disproved and the family knows that and is ready for the consequences. Does that make sense?

 

[technicalconfusion]

Yes...........I certainly think George and the suicide note will be part of the rebuttal if HHBP allows the suicide note in. If, for any reason the judge doesn't allow the note, I think the state will still include George.

Oh yeah. GA wanted to talk to JA at some point today going to recess - while he was still on the stand - and JA said no.

Then, after GA was done later this afternoon, someone said JA followed him out of the courtroom.

 

[Camille]

I can't remember which was the first, but Helter Skelter was one of them, Small Sacrifices another, Ted Bundy another, and the Green River killer story another. Lesser ones in-between. Didn't read any about S Peterson except the one his sister wrote. What interests me is that people can actually kill other people, let alone kill the ones they love. What motivates me is some inner need to know how they think and what makes them able to kill so heartlessly,

This is me. My husband asks me why I am fascinated by such macabre things and I tell him because I just can't understand what would turn a person into such a "thing" that could do these things to another person.

 

[MaryAnn]

I can tell you first hand that grief does not make me want to party. I lost my husband suddenly and tragically one month ago, 5/27.

I am like a crazy lady with Alzheimer's. I can't remember anything, can't sleep. can't eat, can't focus. The thought of going out and trying to be social is not even on my radar.

I can't believe I can post on this thread to be quite honest.

However, I have learned that grief is funny and there is no "normal" standard to measure one's progress in the process.

I think I tend to disassociate a bit...I do the things I HAVE to do and do them well, then I become like a zombie or I am curled up in a ball sobbing. Lots of denial and protecting myself from the reality of it.

I have thought of getting a tattoo for him, but again, thinking it and having the energy to do....that is a long reach to get there.

Just giving my 2 cents about the first 31 days of loss.

I'm so sorry for your loss. It's definitely not easy. My Mother passed 5 years ago and I still have my moments. Especially during the holidays

 

[Tipstaff]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I believe Ashton in his cross examination of the dr was having her explain (in an indirect way) why CA kept denying that Caylee was dead and that ICA murdered her. I believe now that the whole family knows but the PT has allowed them to "stick" to their depositions because that is what they believed and/or said since it can all be disproved and the family knows that and is ready for the consequences. Does that make sense?

Just wish it hadn't taken 3 years and 300 interviews and 7 times on the witness stand for CA to get here. The surrounding trauma to this family for 3 long years is all because of their daughter who needed to know her family did not believe her.

 

[Wishbone]

I do believe there is something we've not been told. There is no doubt in my mind that CA and ICA had a big fight the night of the 15th....

I believe many things are never going to come to light. The detectives know this too. In fact, at one point a detective told GA that: George is man that knows a alot about alot of things........and as Dr Drew likes to say,,, you're as sick as your secrets.

 

[QuietStorm]

In my best Rodney Dangerfield voice I say - I don't get no respect. I used to have Pee Wee in my signature because the resemblence is uncanny. But I deleted it after some posts from the mods about signatures and time out. Didn't want that, so he is poof.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I wonder what the circumstances of Caylees bio dad's death were and also wonder if Casey was actually raped by someone. Just thinking....

 

[LyndyLoo]

I do have to take a break from this emotional day..but simply have to take affront by this so called "Grief Expert" defining the bond between a mother and child...:crazy:
I say that as an adoptive child, who was always loved, cherished and nurtured ....along with their biological son (my big BRO)..and we NEVER ever felt different..however (in my mind I was special because I was chosen:innocent I absolutely deny that a biological parent LOVES MORE or BETTER than anyone else..Phstttt!! Rediculous!! Bio only means birth only....Its the caring, nurturing, loving that makes the difference...Bio connection is only on one level..but in life it is those that nuture, mentor, teach and yes give boundaries that end up in the end as the true connection!!

Sorry, I do believe this expert ( Sally K.) did nothing to further KC's case, and actually made a mockery of the "Grief Process"..I was actually embarrassed for her:crazy:

Have a good evening :seeya:

 

[QuietStorm]

I wonder what she was traumatized from or disassociated about for years while she had her fake job, phony nanny, stolen money from family, string of lovers and endless parties………sounds like the same old story to me.

Or the at least $45,000 she stole from her parents in the meantime. Or so I've read.

 

[lchal]

George totally broke my heart today. I think he is the only sane one outta the whole bunch. I know he has made mistakes as a person and a parent (but who hasn't??). Today was the first time during the whole trial that I had tears in my eyes...and then to look at that heartless ***** just stare at her father?? Who does that?? A freak of nature, that's who!

I really hope that George survives this whole trial and doesn't end up commiting suicide. I also hope that if he and Cindy (despite her obvious flaws) want to stay together, then I wish them nothing but peace.

Such a tragic situation.

God Bless all the hurting souls~

 

[allycat1208]

When will Texas Equisearch be up? I thought for sure there would be some damaging testimony to the defense in that.

They brought only one guy from Texas Equasearch I believe. He was better for the prosecution as usual.

 

[D96s]

I wonder what the circumstances of Caylees bio dad's death were and also wonder if Casey was actually raped by someone. Just thinking....

My guess is she was so sexually active that she had no clue which of the many guys she slept with could have been the baby daddy. Thats my guess.