2011.08.05 Hearing on Casey's probation

[my2sense]

Can we stop using the word hater? Not everyone who didn't want her acquitted wants to do violent harm to Casey or see bad things happen to her. I'm going to wait and let karma do it's job, but I don't consider myself a hater. I am not harassing, threatening, or doing anything to Casey. In fact, I wish she would disappear from the spotlight altogether. I am no vigilante, and I don't intend or wish for anything bad to happen to Casey. I am disgusted she got away with this, but I don't hate her. I'm upset with our justice system for allowing this. I know many are really upset with this situation, but I am not among the people who wish or would do actual harm to Casey. I want to see justice done, but not at any cost. I respect those that disagree with my position, and I'm not sitting here calling anyone else names for disagreeing with me. Respect is quid pro quo, btw.

BBM -- though I agree with you all the way. But thanks for the bolded (by me) portion in particular. You took the words right out of my mouth and heart.

 

[LambChop]

He told the court that he had been in a trial all week, for another Judge, and had started his research on this issue at 10.30pm last night. He did some research and then had to stop because he was just too tired to continue..

Oh, I was talking about HHSS taking the eight days before coming forward. I'm sure JS had to do some research, too and then spoke with HHJP when he was available and that may have been the delay in HHSS filing on the 29th. Too few judges, too much time...lol

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm not calling any of us dumb, but HOW could HHJBP have done a miscalculation????? I mean, he's the boss dog?

He was relying on the DOC for his information re days/time served....

 

[cyberborg]

Selfishly I would want FCA to totally get away with this and continue on in her defiance and vindication that the combination of her lies and her DT ... that she can basically get away with anything ... including murder. Feed her sense of entitlement and enablement.

To me, any probation is only going to delay her downward spiral into being who she really is. Given her life experience and coddling by CA she grew into her 20's with a fake job, stealing money and, playing everyone.

Had FCA been caught on the check fraud and punished for that ... that being her only crime then she might have changed given probation and a split from CA -- however that crime/punishment faded into memory since the murder trial took its place and FCA's recent memory is how she beat the system against all odds.

Be gone FCA. Be free. Lets see if you can take that Irish Luck of yours and the gift that the DT and Jury handed to you on a plate and translate it into a decent honest life or ... if you just continue on as you had before and devolve into an oblivion ... you have every chance to do right. Will you take it? -- or will you take the easy path?

 

[LambChop]

whew, trying to get caught up here. just watched the hearing. any idea what the "completely unrelated issue" is that LF brought up at the end? would like to see that sidebar transcript.

i don't see the problem with HHJP citing case law, if i was on trial i would certainly want the judge to know what he was doing.

i wonder how long this is going to take. seems like HHJP wants to get it right, so i'm expecting at least three or four days to get it all straight. any word on how long it'll be?

There was no transcript. It was off the record and not related to the issue before the court. No record needed. jmo

 

[21merc7]

I'm upset with our justice system for allowing this. I know many are really upset with this situation, but I am not among the people who wish or would do actual harm to Casey.

Please do not be upset at our justice system, anyone. It is not perfect, but move to another country and tell me about being stoned to death or slashed to death simply because you are a woman and they can. Tell me about a loved one brutally murdered but the country is out of control and no one has a court system.

If it were you, what would you like to happen. What if you were innocent? I am not saying KC is, 'cause I don't think so.

If you were charged with murder you have a choice. Take a plea or take a jury. A jury is 50/50 shot. What would your choice be? Well, in Florida I know what your immediate answer is, but these peeps were sequestered 8 weeks total. So that is an answer of it's own. But what if you had the normal week to two week trial? What if you really were innocent? Roll the dice or plea? Know that once you plea no one will believe you when you take it back and say you were just scared. Know that there is evidence, but what does it show? What would you do?

 

[Velouria]

Well I thought the big news of the day was that JB has not had that mole removed. There it was as big as ever and he was just wearing makeup and it fooled us.

Cheney Mason was wearing makeup?

Ohhhh, you meant...nevermind.

 

[askfornina]

Please do not be upset at our justice system, anyone.

If it were you, what would you like to happen. What if you were innocent? I am not saying KC is, 'cause I don't think so.

If you were charged with murder you have a choice. Take a plea or take a jury. A jury is 50/50 shot. What would your choice be? Well, in Florida I know what your immediate answer is, but these peeps were sequestered 8 weeks total. So that is an answer of it's own. But what if you had the normal week to two week trial? What if you really were innocent? Roll the dice or plea? Know that once you plea no one will believe you when you take it back and say you were just scared. Know that there is evidence, but what does it show? What would you do?

very good post i think people forget that all of these rules are in place to protect them, were they to be wrongly accused. better for 10 guilty to go free than one innocent to go to jail and all that.

 

[askfornina]

There was no transcript. It was off the record and not related to the issue before the court. No record needed. jmo

just re watched and that seems to be the case i still wonder what it was about, lol.

 

[21merc7]

very good post i think people forget that all of these rules are in place to protect them, were they to be wrongly accused. better for 10 guilty to go free than one innocent to go to jail and all that.

Yes.

And let us not forget there is a move for the "Caylee Law", it needs a lot of work, but it is there. There is also a move for revamping jury duty, slight, but if we keep pushing there are changes coming there too.

KC is a pawn, she will be played, she will be miserable and will re-offend. The greater good is what we are about here in the U.S. and here on this board.

Let's hope probation gets clarified too. At least in the confused State of Florida.

 

[Whisperer]

I understand what you're saying, but screw-ups and oversights often work to the defendant's advantage. I want to see KC go down as much as anyone, but a valid argument can be made that the SA and DOC missed their chance... especially since this matter came up AFTER she got out of jail.

I highly suspect that when the time was being calculated there was absolutely nothing on record stating probation. DOC in the county jail knew nothing about it

Baez seems to be the only one who knows/knew about this and kept his pie hole shut till it came up AFTER she was gone.I still guess that the letter was computer generated...have they shown the complete letter yet? The clerk made an error. We can hear the judge's own words. Because the clerk made an error , it shouldn't negate the defendent doing probation.

It looks to me like the clerk left Strickland's courtroom on the day of sentencing for check fraud and immediately generated a probation starting that day w/o thought that she was still in jail. Florida is being exposed more and more for getting light on crime. They used to be one of the tougher states but their political persuasion is turning. When that happens, more and more laws come into play and lawyers have more loopholes to set the defendant free.

 

[Solace]

What I think will happen:

She'll be made to serve some sort of probation with her address not made public, and phone check ins, be able to move out of state..etc.


What I want to happen:

HHBP will realize a severe miscalculation in her sentences and she'll be sent to jail for 4 more years...in gen pop...

I agree with what you think will happen.

What I want to happen. One of the jurors comes out and says he was intimidated into agreeing by the other jurors and a mistrial is declared and we start all over again but this time they get it right. It's Friday.

 

[Sustained]

very good post i think people forget that all of these rules are in place to protect them, were they to be wrongly accused. better for 10 guilty to go free than one innocent to go to jail and all that.

Not in my book ... let's say those 10 are murderers ... and let's say that each of those murderers kills again. Is it better that 10 more people are killed or is it better than one innocent sits in jail and has a multiple appeal process. Talk to some people who have had a love one killed because someone was freed who was obviously guilty.

 

[Little Black Dress]

Apologies...haven't read the entire thread, but last I heard, Judge Perry is deferring ruling on this morning's hearing to do more research? Is that still the status? If so, I understand why, but can't help finding it ironic to note that the purpose of probation is to 'ready oneself' (and to show that readiness to authorities) to return to 'life among the masses', and yet, that's exactly what Ms. Anthony has already been doing for several weeks now (ready or not!).

Funny world we live in.

JMO.

 

[LambChop]

He was relying on the DOC for his information re days/time served....

Not sure JP was even aware of what the probation department did, only what HHSS had originally stated in court. That being said JP made it quite clear to JB that was an Officer of the Court. So JB had the duty while they were calculating her time served and what time she would be serving with the new sentence and the fact that JP gave her the maximum allowed, but chose not to inform the judge that KC had already served her probation period in jail according to DOC. JB knows, or should known, that probation and sentencing cannot be served jointly and he did nothing to alert JP when it was his duty to do so. jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

Not in my book ... let's say those 10 are murderers ... and let's say that each of those murderers kills again. Is it better that 10 more people are killed or is it better than one innocent sits in jail and has a multiple appeal process. Talk to some people who have had a love one killed because someone was freed who was obviously guilty.

:tyou::tyou:

 

[askfornina]

Not in my book ... let's say those 10 are murderers ... and let's say that each of those murderers kills again. Is it better that 10 more people are killed or is it better than one innocent sits in jail and has a multiple appeal process. Talk to some people who have had a love one killed because someone was freed who was obviously guilty.

you are very entitled to your opinion i really really hate to cite wikipedia here but i can't seem to find another suitable link: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_formulation"]Blackstone's formulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="image"><img alt="Stub icon" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/29px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/29px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png[/ame]

edit: here we go. http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/guilty.htm

 

[Solace]

I know this is OT, but I still cannot believe this verdict. It has been three weeks and the shock has worn, but once in a while I will allow myself to think about the verdict and it is JUST BEYOND SHOCKING.

One wasn't shocked with John Gotti - we knew what was going on and oh ok, he got off again ...one of these days.

But this - this was an absolute kick in the stomach to pretty much everyone who watched. I myself had to sit down because I could not believe my ears. I just could not believe it.

 

[krt]

There is a good report out from the Sentinel on today's hearing...

Judge doesn't rule on Casey Anthony's probation issue, calls it 'a mess'

When asked by Perry whether the defense knew about the probation being served in jail, Fryer did confirm that the defense knew early on that Casey Anthony was serving probation in jail. However, she said she did not think it was the defense's burden to notify the court about that.Meanwhile, Assistant State Attorney Frank George told Perry he only recently learned probation had been applied during her jail stay, when Strickland again expressed his original intent with amended language.

In reality, though, Anthony did little to meet the requirements of supervised probation because she was in jail.

Perry read over the transcript from Strickland's sentencing, and confirmed the judge said probation would begin after she was released from jail.

Perry also noted that Strickland made that sentence long before he recused himself from the murder case.

Perry asked Fryer what obligation did Baez have to notify the court that Anthony's probation started and that it contradicted Strickland's order.

More at link...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...y-probation-decision-20110805,0,4130840.story

Like I said earlier today..........WOW just WOW that looks/sounds and IS sooooooooooo bad!!!

 

[21merc7]

Like I said earlier today..........WOW just WOW that looks/sounds and IS sooooooooooo bad!!!

That's why they put her up there to say it, and why she was so nervous. She knows it is against ethics.