2012.05.17 Doc Dump Thread

[MaryAnn]

Was he? Do you have evidence that he was regularly taking his medication? Or that he was addicted to it? Or consuming it in quantities not prescribed (illegally)? Do you have any evidence at all to back up what you're implying?

According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients

http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/05...-drugs-also-cited-in-weeks-prior-to-shooting/

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Sure looks a lot different then that pic in back of the car. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1538974

 

[jaded cat]

Do you know how many times they have reported on the drug tests of kids who committed crimes or even killed their parents, or did a drive by shooting, and POT was found in their systems? It happens all of the time.

That kid who killed his parents and then threw a party, he smoked pot right before he bludgeoned them to death.

Most often in conjunction with other drugs. Very few are done simply under the influence of pot.

 

[m00c0w]

According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients

http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/05...-drugs-also-cited-in-weeks-prior-to-shooting/

Okay. And I have bottles and bottles of ibuprofen and even a bottle containing some Vicodin that I've been prescribed and never taken (as well as a script for an even higher dosage that I never had filled). How does this make it evident that he was abusing drugs in any form, or even taking them?

 

[Elley Mae]

But... It can also help the prosecution in that a kid smoking some dope would be far less inclined to start an altercation under the influence of a little POT.

A resonable person understands the effects of smoking pot---mellows you out!

Let's see... ADHD guy vs. kid under influence of pot which one would be the aggressor???? I am not saying either tells us what happened... but for the love of ducks, lets not get hung up on the POT. Please!

JMHO~

bbbm
I totally agree

 

[jaded cat]

Exactly the point.

I don't see that as a reason to turn this info around and claim it's all because TM may or may not have been smoking pot that night.

You are no doing that, I used your post as a jump off point for my own potentially pointless opinion.

 

[Littleone48]

IMO, the important aspect about THC being in TM's system is that it supports GZ's claim that he looked like he was on drugs. IMO, this can be used by the defense to show that GZ had reason to be suspicious.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Really and you came to this how? With that little bit of THC in the blood I highly doubt that GZ could tell that TM was "on" drugs.

Really it's POT not meth, not percs, not herion, it's Pot which is LEGAL in 92% of the United States in small amounts.

I've talked to LE after smoking and once I had someone bring me a a few Pot cookies for a friend that is terminal so he would at least eat something. They were sitting on my desk and the cop picked them up, laughed and we had a fairly long conversation about it. He agreed with me that he would much rather deal with someone who was stoned than someone on the above mentioned drugs.

Pot has many Good uses and for me, it has helped me to be able to do my activities of daily living better than any pain pill I have taken. There is also a medication for cancer patients derived from pot.

There is so much more about this case than the small amount of TLC in TM blood...to me it is a moat point but one that those who feel GZ had the right to do what he did will jump all over simply because it's against the law...

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Did I say he violated the federal trafficking law?

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: trade, barter
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trafficking

OK, I refuse to get in a pi$$ing match with you over semantics. IMO the commonly understood (as well as legal) definition of trafficking includes the element of intending to distribute, not a simple pot buy for personal use.

 

[m00c0w]

Sure looks a lot different then that pic in back of the car. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1538974

Sure looks a lot different than no visible injuries. LOL

 

[vlpate]

That's a huge stretch, IMO. Just because Trayvon had a minute amount of THC in his system (which could have been ingested days or weeks prior), it doesn't catapult him to the status of a drug trafficker.

Dr. Wecht said the THC found in the blood shows it was ingested a few hours before. The urine levels would show earlier.

 

[cityslick]

Sure looks a lot different then that pic in back of the car. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1538974

The black and white was probably taken pre-EMT.

BTW, black eyes can show up after the fact.

 

[m00c0w]

OK, I refuse to get in a pi$$ing match with you over semantics. IMO the commonly understood (as well as legal) of trafficking includes the element of intending to distribute, not a simple pot buy for personal use.

You're the one hanging onto a single word I used in a brief statement that really has no impact on anything...

 

[Reader]

Page 136/183 TM was found behind 2861 Retreat View Circle

That typed apt. number conflicts with what the ME wrote by hand on p.135:

#2831......where is that and which one is correct?

 

[suzihawk]

Mark Geragos on Anderson said the pot issues probably won't enter into the trial. He said, "I don't think it's going to be of any great moment. Most judges wouldn't let that in because it's not like it's meth or PCP or that type of drug. They have so much trouble detemining at what levels you're under the influence to begin with that I don't think it's of any great moment."

 

[cityslick]

That typed apt. number conflicts with what the ME wrote by hand on p.135:

#2831......where is that and which one is correct?

ME may have written the wrong thing, I'm sure he was just copying it from the report.

 

[m00c0w]

That typed apt. number conflicts with what the ME wrote by hand on p.135:

#2831......where is that and which one is correct?

The crime scene photos all appear to revolve around the 2861 address.

 

[AJ Noiter]

The black and white was probably taken pre-EMT.

BTW, black eyes can show up after the fact.

It was. The officer who took it wrote a report that says it was taken while he was in the back seat of the police cruiser. He also had a trainee with him - this detail provided to help identify the police officer that wrote the report.

 

[ariesgodofwar]

About the gunshot, think about it. If I am right handed, lying supine, and someone were on top of me, if I were to shift my weight weak side and draw from the 5 o'clock IWB holster I carry and fire, TM was hit exactly where you would expect someone in that position to be shot. Right hand of shooter to left side of close proximity "victim." (Keeping in mind that orientation wise, two folks facing each other, the left is the right side of the other.)

I would say information perfectly aligns with the claim that TM was indeed on top of GZ. The Keltec GZ carried was very, very thin. Much thinner than the CZ P-06 .40S&W I carry. I would have to exert much more effort to draw my sidearm with someone on top of me than GZ would have. You could have slipped that pistol in a back pocket it is so thin.

 

[m00c0w]

About the gunshot, think about it. If I am right handed, lying supine, and someone were on top of me, if I were to shift my weight weak side and draw from the 5 o'clock IWB holster I carry and fire, TM was hit exactly where you would expect someone in that position to be shot. Right hand of shooter to left side of close proximity "victim." (Keeping in mind that orientation wise, two folks facing each other, the left is the right side of the other.)

I would say information perfectly aligns with the claim that TM was indeed on top of GZ. The Keltec GZ carried was very, very thin. Much thinner than the CZ P-06 .40S&W I carry. I would have to exert much more effort to draw my sidearm with someone on top of me than GZ would have. You could have slipped that pistol in a back pocket it is so thin.

Do we know he was carrying at the 5? I've always pictured appendix-carry, and I've seen references to that style on the news. I'm pretty sure if he was carrying it up front, it'd be no big deal to slide it out.

 

[beach]

This thread is LOUD and contentious enough.


Please stop with the large font bold red shouting.


Everyone can hear just fine. No shouting or screaming here.