Isabelle
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What is the gray object in the picture, just to the right of the midline? (not the sidewalk) Thanks
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I happen to have experience in dispatching and those are the exact type phrases they are taught to say. It is a polite way of saying, "DO NOT FOLLOW HIM"
Also, the dispatcher not saying anything until after GZ already left his truck is because the dispatcher most likely heard the wind and the running noises. As soon as the dispatcher determined that GZ was running after TM, he certainly gave him instructions not to do that.
Further, if he didn't care that GZ was following TM, he would have said nothing.
I respect your POV saying that GZ was trying to stop crime in his neighborhood, by profiling a young black male.
There is no witness that says she/he saw "them running."
There are however witnesses that describe the man on the bottom getting beat up.
So the idea that they somehow just fallen down is not supported by evidence as far as I can tell.
How have you proved he caused the confrontation?
Nobody has seemed to answer this question.
GZ goal, as he indicated in his 911 was to detain. To keep TM from getting away. Why else call LE???? I do not think it was ever GZ's intention to get into a fight but it was his intention to keep TM from getting away and the minute TM started to move away, I believe GZ reacted by grabbing TM. That would account for GZ's injuries and TM's lack of them. It's possible they were not fighting but merely they fell and TM was trying to get away and GZ got hurt in the process. I think TM was shot because GZ had had enough and shot him. I think it was that simple. That would explain the witness saying she saw them running. jmo
BRBM.
Rudeness and entitlement? IMO, you can't get much ruder than beating the carp out of a stranger because he asked you what you were up to.
JMO, OMO, AND MOO
BEM: good point
GZ was the one on the ground yelling for help. All the condescension and rebuttal in the world won't change that fact. The only thing to deduce from the fact that he was the one on the ground, is he was punched to the ground and his keys and phone were knocked out of his hands. TM didn't have any signs of being attacked. TM started it-maybe he wanted to get GZ's keys and take his car. Who knows. It just makes no sense that he'd jump him for no reason.
JMO
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How is it you shoot someone from 3 feet away...directly into their chest...and it's not considered a crime?
Who provoked who? TM was just walking home.
I guess I'm missing something.
PS- GZ was close enough supposedly to say he thought TM looked high. Wasn't it dark?
Last two pages here.Has Zimmerman's medical and EMT/Rescue reports been released?
The only person who had control over the incident that night was GZ. He had a choice to stay with the car, as directed, or get out and follow. He chose to follow with deadly results. It does matter in a court of law who "started" it when you have a dead body of a person who was doing nothing wrong, just walking home.
It was a gamble at best for GZ to get out of his car. GZ did not stop a crime, he created a homocide. Far worse than anything TM could have been up to with his Arizona drink and bag of Skittles. jmo
The GF (ear witness) indicated Trayvon told her "He's getting close" before Trayvon asked GZ "Why are you following me" and GZ asked "What are you doing here". Then, she says she heard Trayvon say something like "Get off get off". http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...nd-on-what-she-heard-on-the-phone#pl-68832490
Sounds like GZ may have tried to "detain" Trayvon.
Or stuff that Zimmerman was telling the 911 operator was not true. The clubhouse video should help along with George's statement. It has been implied that he lied in a statement and said Martin circled his car and beat his head repeatedly on the cement. It will be good to see all the evidence.
I was just in my county's court house...simply walking down a hall...when I saw 2 police officers walking with a prisoner in chains. I was no where near them, but the police officer looked back and said to me "you need to stay back". Do you think that I wouldn't? Do we know for a fact that the dispatcher wasn't a ranking officer? In my town, the guy at the mic is often a police officer.I disagree.
When someone tells someone that they don't *need* something, it doesn't mean that they don't *want* it or that it's unnecessary or that to proceed would be unwelcome.
My tired teenager was about to unload the dishwasher for me, and I said, "You don't need to do that."
Heck, it wasn't that it would be *unwelcome*. It was just that I felt that I could handle it better than he could.
He saw that I had a to-do list a mile long and said, "I can do it - it's not a problem."
GZ was present, in the neighborhood where a suspicious-looking stranger had just turned a corner.
Unless I am remembering incorrectly, GZ had not announced to the dispatcher that TM had turned a corner and disappeared from view. GZ just continued his description of what he was seeing as he commenced to move from his vehcile and walk towards the cut-through area.
GZ's eyes were on the situation, and he was in a better position to know what would be helpful to the policemen than a dispatcher who was just receiving remote information.
On a *typical* evening, GZ would have first seen TM while afoot, not from his vehicle. If that had been the case - that he was out walking his dog and continued to walk in the direction where TM had disappeared - would *that* have been a violation?
I don't think anyone has ever answered me when I have asked this, so if you know the answer, I would appreciate some direction here.
When was GZ directed to stay with the car? Did it occur while he was still in the the car? "Stay" to me indicates that he was *with* the vehicle and they told him to *remain* with the vehicle.
In hindsight, because of the way things ended up, it is easy to Monday Morning Quarterback and say that it was a poor decision for him to exit the vehicle.
If, however, TM had been someone with a gun and had murdered someone around the corner, or broken into a condo and raped someone or abducted a child, people would be complaining that he was too chicken to get out and keep tabs on the criminal and clamoring for laws that protect watchmen who intervene.
How is it you shoot someone from 3 feet away...directly into their chest...and it's not considered a crime?
Who provoked who? TM was just walking home.
I guess I'm missing something.
PS- GZ was close enough supposedly to say he thought TM looked high. Wasn't it dark?
I don't think anyone has ever answered me when I have asked this, so if you know the answer, I would appreciate some direction here.
When was GZ directed to stay with the car? Did it occur while he was still in the the car? "Stay" to me indicates that he was *with* the vehicle and they told him to *remain* with the vehicle.
In hindsight, because of the way things ended up, it is easy to Monday Morning Quarterback and say that it was a poor decision for him to exit the vehicle.
If, however, TM had been someone with a gun and had murdered someone around the corner, or broken into a condo and raped someone or abducted a child, people would be complaining that he was too chicken to get out and keep tabs on the criminal and clamoring for laws that protect watchmen who intervene.
All over HLN today...reporting based on documents released. Also said Trayvon hadn't touched the gun, nor did he have anything under his fingernails to indicate any kind of struggle.The shot was at very close range; 2-4 inches is what has been said.
Where did the "3 feet" come from??
IMO!
The shot was at very close range; 2-4 inches is what has been said.
Where did the "3 feet" come from??
IMO!
Huh?
I just see a right-angled mark on the top of his head. What "S"?