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On the topic of the media's petition for a special writ (mandamus, prohibition?) which was filed directly in the Idaho Supreme Court, I would expect the court to act quickly - although the rule does not explicitly require them to do so. I think the next step would be for the court to either: decide the petition is insufficient and decline to act on it; issue the writ on the basis of the petition alone; or (most likely IMO) issue an order compelling the respondent court to show cause why the requested writ should not be issued. Here is the pertinent text of the rule under which special writs are issued:

Idaho Appellate Rule 5(d)

Procedure for Issuance of Writs. Special writs, except writs of habeas corpus, shall issue as herein provided. The Supreme Court acting through three (3) or more members, or by two (2) or more members when the Court is in recess, may issue a writ directing the respondent to act in accordance with the writ, or to appear or respond at the time fixed in the writ to show cause why the relief requested in the petition should not be granted. The court may enter an order providing for briefing and oral argument prior to issuance of a writ or an order to show cause. If such an order is entered, briefing shall be conducted in the manner outlined in the order as supplemented by these rules. The briefs shall be in the form prescribed by Rule 32(e). A majority of the entire Court, may also direct the respondent to so act, or to refrain from acting, as directed in the writ, pending hearing and upon such conditions as the Court may impose. Upon its issuance, a copy of the petition, brief and writ shall immediately be served upon all affected parties including the real party in interest as concerns the requested relief, which real party must be named in the petition and the writ. Service shall be made in the manner and within the time limit set by the Court. Appearance in response to the writ by any interested party shall be by verified answer and by brief. If no appearance is made, the Court may grant any requested relief justified by the petition. If appearance is made, the Court may schedule the matter for oral argument or decide the matter on the record. Issues of fact, if any, shall be determined in the manner ordered by the Court.

I was unable to find the media's petition on the court website or as a link in an article. Has anyone had more success?
 
PrairieWind said:
I guess he could have left the foot print going either direction. I think most of us assume he came in from the sliding door in teh kitchen, went upstairs, killed the girls, came down the stairs, passed DM's room, went to XK's room, killed there, then went back by DM's room (when he is seen by DM) and exited out the sliding door again. So he could have left a foot print either before or after going to XK's room. We don't know exactly where in front of DM's door it was found.
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No, we really don't know for sure. But I'm going to share my reasoning for thinking he passed closest to her door coming down the stairs. For one, the stairs are closer to her door than the path from Xana's room to the kitchen. Considering we live in the US, most people default to staying to their right in any type of traffic flow, driving or walking. So, chances are, he came downstairs closer to the right wall which would put his ending descent right by her door. Coming from Xana's room to the kitchen was another veer to his right to get there. And that's just my theory. JMO
 
IF the tapatalk posts are BK, he said he took thyroid meds.

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ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 63

Yes, especially in the case of Behavioral Health. That is quite different. Where did she report on his "issues" though? Not arguing, I just never saw where that was stated. Did the receptionist give out his diagnosis, his medical condition? Not that I saw. Stating someone is "nice and...
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www.psychiatrictimes.com

Hypothyroidism: An Important Diagnostic Consideration for the Psychiatrist

Hypothyroidism is a common clinical disorder that psychiatrists frequently encounter. However, symptoms of thyroid dysfunction are often vague and nonspecific, which can lead to delayed or missed diagnosis.
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"In fact, an array of psychotic symptoms, including delusions, visual and auditory hallucinations, paranoia, and thought disorders, have been reported secondary to hypothyroidism"

(food for thought)
 
Dotta said:
As a teacher myself I have 1 answer to this malady -
tough love is needed.

Caring and discipline.
Loving attention and firmness.
That is what troubled kids need.
They need structure.

They must see that adults can be relied upon, that they care despite being firm.

Bullying at school seemed rampant.
Did anybody help him then?
Was there anti bullying policy at school?
What about school psychologists?

These are elementary foundations for helping kids IMO.
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Tough love from the parents, first and foremost. I too am a teacher and the mother of another teacher and married to a teacher.

Some of BK's friends say he was himself aggressive. If he was bullied, then others felt bullied and afraid of him, as well. He was bullied when overweight and then turned into a rather scary, physical kind of bully himself:

www.cbsnews.com

Bryan Kohberger's high school friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied

Kohberger is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students. His study of criminology was an attempt "to understand humans and … himself," according to a friend.
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C.A. (a girl whose brother was bullied by BK) says as quoted in that article (actual independent reporting! yay!):

//Arntz says her brother, who was also friends with Kohberger, claims he was bullied by him. "When Bryan would get kinda angry with him, he would gaslight him and get physically aggressive," she said, and added that Kohberger would put her brother in chokeholds. //

So people knew and no action was taken. I believe it's primarily the family's responsibility. Of course there was an anti-bullying "policy" at the school but did he avail himself of it or just turn into one, himself?

He seems exceptional resistant to a school psychologist approach. Of course, not a single school where I live has such a person on staff, but it would be interesting to see if Bryan's PA schools had more services than we do here in California. Schools refer to psychologists (degrees in school psychology do not emphasize treatment; they emphasize testing, diagnosis and referral). I'll try to see if I can find a rich school district that still has one, here in California, to see what their job entails.

School psychologists here do not have a degree in clinical psychology, much less psychiatry (which was much needed here IMO). The degree required is Educational Psych and although a regular Master's in Psychology is also accepted, most of those go to work in highly paid positions for the state or county. Educational psych student are not, IMO, any more capable of dealing with a Bryan Kohberger than his criminology professors - who all have advanced degrees, most of them in psychology and something else. And they didn't notice.

I'm not sure that anyone could have predicted he'd crack in this manner, btw. But he definitely needed someone to orchestrate some help, way back when he was 14-15. Yet, it's clear his parents were taking him to all kinds of doctors (from the TAT posts).

MOO.
 
CSIDreamer said:
No, we really don't know for sure. But I'm going to share my reasoning for thinking he passed closest to her door coming down the stairs. For one, the stairs are closer to her door than the path from Xana's room to the kitchen. Considering we live in the US, most people default to staying to their right in any type of traffic flow, driving or walking. So, chances are, he came downstairs closer to the right wall which would put his ending descent right by her door. Coming from Xana's room to the kitchen was another veer to his right to get there. And that's just my theory. JMO
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Also, unless we assume that all these noises occurred BEFORE the killings (and I don't see how that's possible), he wasn't there long enough to be doing anything other than leaving.

But, since the footprint was a bloody footprint (latent, found only by Amido black), someone had to have exsanguinated enough for him to step in it - and perhaps only one foot did that. Of course, there could be plenty of other blood footprints in the house, just not mentioned. The PCA mentions it to make it clear that poor DM saw a man outside her room in the middle of the night.

A man tracking blood through the house in his Vans.

IMO
 
CSIDreamer said:
I'm catching up on filings from 2/8 and 2/9. Help me out here if I'm missing something. The only victim's family I'm seeing listed as potential witnesses is the Goncalves family? Is that right?
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I suspect it's possible others will be called as witnesses, too, but the Goncalves family are the only ones being specified that way right now because they're the only ones connected to an effort to challenge the gag order. Hence, there is a specific reason to note them as potential witnesses right now versus the rest of the families. MOO
 
Large:

www.nytimes.com

University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect’s Behavior Around Time of Killings (Published 2023)

Bryan Kohberger had a verbal altercation with a professor and was investigated over his behavior around female students before he was charged in four murders.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect’s Behavior Around Time of Killings​

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Tintina said:
I read that Xana was lying in front of the door of her room,so i don't know
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That's not in any document that I know of. PCA writer (who arrived on scene before the bodies were moved) says she was inside the room (see PCA). No MSM says she was outside the room, either. Reddit rumors - yes, but no actual reporting says this.

If she had been lying in front of her door, I think DM would have known she was dead. But it appears that DM couldn't get her roommates to answer their phones, nor could she get into Xana's room. This helps explain why DM does not call 911 upon getting up that morning. She can't get her roommates to answer calls or texts, she knows something is off, calls some other friends (perhaps thinking the roommates were with boyfriends or friends or siblings). The friends come over, get the door open (perhaps one had a key? or a code? we don't know) and 911 call is underway somewhere around that time.

But the officer who wrote the PCA would not say that both Xana and Ethan were inside the room, if they were not. Dozens of other officers had already observed the scene at that point.
 
gliving said:
Maybe because the Goncalves found the Grub Truck and Ring videos?
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I think that that SG, the Goncalves lawyer, filed a motion (?) seeking to remove himself from the amended gag order (presumably under instructions from his clients?) of 18th Jan? That's listed in the court docs. The PA's affadavit and memorandum and the defense's objection (?) most recently filed are partially (PA) and fully(def) in response to the SG motion IMO. I'm not sure motion is the right term but can' think of another right now! MOO
 
10ofRods said:
That's not in any document that I know of. PCA writer (who arrived on scene before the bodies were moved) says she was inside the room (see PCA). No MSM says she was outside the room, either. Reddit rumors - yes, but no actual reporting says this.

If she had been lying in front of her door, I think DM would have known she was dead. But it appears that DM couldn't get her roommates to answer their phones, nor could she get into Xana's room. This helps explain why DM does not call 911 upon getting up that morning. She can't get her roommates to answer calls or texts, she knows something is off, calls some other friends (perhaps thinking the roommates were with boyfriends or friends or siblings). The friends come over, get the door open (perhaps one had a key? or a code? we don't know) and 911 call is underway somewhere around that time.

But the officer who wrote the PCA would not say that both Xana and Ethan were inside the room, if they were not. Dozens of other officers had already observed the scene at that point.
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RBBM. The PCA says "As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. All we know is she was laying on the floor. It doesn't say if she was in her room, in the hall, in the door of the bedroom or in the door of the bathroom. Just that as he was approaching the room, he could see her on the floor SOMEWHERE.

Maybe she was in her room, but that isn't what the PCA says.
 
Nila Aella said:
Replying to my own post, lol, talking to myself again.

I checked the other cases of interest and they do not list the hearing dates, they just list the notices of hearing. So I think when it was listed on the cases of interest page before, it must have been a mistake that was corrected. Just a guess and MOO
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It's back - in the case summary part.


Preliminary Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Oflicer: Marshall, Megan ;Location: Courtroom l) 06 t26 t2023 -06 I 30 I 2023
 
Ghostwheel said:
RBBM. The PCA says "As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. All we know is she was laying on the floor. It doesn't say if she was in her room, in the hall, in the door of the bedroom or in the door of the bathroom. Just that as he was approaching the room, he could see her on the floor SOMEWHERE.

Maybe she was in her room, but that isn't what the PCA says.
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Per PCA page 1 - I read it as they were in the bedroom. He does talk about the bathroom on the way to the "room" but the room is Xana's bedroom and is after the bathroom on the south wall. JMO

OFC Smith directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned (through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in the room) was Xana Kernodle's, hereafter "Kernodle" room. Just before this room there was a bathroom door on the south wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kemodle's, laying on the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon. Also in the room was a male, later identified as Ethan Chapin,.....
 
Ghostwheel said:
RBBM. The PCA says "As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. All we know is she was laying on the floor. It doesn't say if she was in her room, in the hall, in the door of the bedroom or in the door of the bathroom. Just that as he was approaching the room, he could see her on the floor SOMEWHERE.

Maybe she was in her room, but that isn't what the PCA says.
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I see what your getting at but the next sentence seems to suggest Xana was inside the room?

PCA p 1
"As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kemodle's, laying on the floor.Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon .Also in the room was a male, later identified as Ethan Chapin,
hereafter, "Chapin"."

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