4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[Kemug]

I am a chronic insomniac. This not only gives me more time to pursue web-sleuthing, but it also pretty effectively dulls my brain when it comes to understanding all the technical "stuff" . (I like to think that's the only thing wrong with my brain ! But anyway, I just want to add a bit to the less technical and more emotional side - for me, one of the things which turns this tragedy into something even more appalling is BK saying to Xana "Don't worry, I'm going to help you." Beyond creepy and evil. Yes, I do believe that BK is guilty.

 

[Dotta]

I am a chronic insomniac.

Try reading "Manual for Agricultural Tractors"
Sleep is quaranteed!

 

[maconrich]

Has it been confirmed the neighbor had a "Ring" camera? My Arlo cams can been be set to activate by sound.

Interesting. The kind of camera isn't specified in the PCA:

"At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at I 112 King Road, a residence
immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like
voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times
starting at 4:17 a.m. The security camera is less than fifty feet from the west wall of Kernodle's bedroom."

Link to PCA:

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[jepop]

Interesting. The kind of camera isn't specified in the PCA:

"At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at I 112 King Road, a residence
immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like
voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times
starting at 4:17 a.m. The security camera is less than fifty feet from the west wall of Kernodle's bedroom."

Link to PCA:

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There has been prior discussion of this but on which thread and when I can't tell you. MOO - I know which house it is - immediately north west of the residence. There are pictures on the media thread, or in a photos list at the beginning of each thread here, including I believe one that shows the camera mounted above a deck. I can't remember whether the camera was more likely to to be a sound activated one, based on an MSM interview or not. I only remember exchanging several posts some time ago about it. Someone here has just mentioned an interview that was conducted by Nancy Grace (?), perhaps with the relevant neighbour, post murders. Perhaps if that can be dug up again it will give you a better idea. MOO

 

[8th Bob-White]

I'm not sure what Nancy Grace said--or was thinking, but Ring cameras are not activated by sound.

Can my indoor camera be set to activate and record on sound from a loud noise?

Hey neighbors. Ring Security Cameras and Video Doorbells do not detect or record based on sound. This feature has been requested before, which you can find on our Feature Request board here. For the Peephole Camera, we have heard feedback to bring this product back as well. You can vote on that...

community.ring.com

The neighbor's Ring camera was triggered by motion--maybe a cat, but not likely. They have sensitivity controls that typically only detect larger moving items, like humans. That keeps them from being triggered constantly.

So, there's something we're not hearing about the Ring audio--such as it has a video to go along with it.

It may depend upon the settings and type of doorbell. Our Nest is set for Sound, Motion, Person, Package Left, etc. We live in a very safe area, but one evening a police officer knocked on our door & asked us if he had heard anything. We were inside and hadn't, but after checking the doorbell were able to send him the video/audio of the noise he was looking for.

We are easily entertained by the occasional cat, possum or raccoon that drops by our front door.

 

[maconrich]

There has been prior discussion of this but on which thread and when I can't tell you. MOO - I know which house it is - immediately north west of the residence. There are pictures on the media thread, or in a photos list at the beginning of each thread here, including I believe one that shows the camera mounted above a deck. I can't remember whether the camera was more likely to to be a sound activated one, based on an MSM interview or not. I only remember exchanging several posts some time ago about it. Someone here has just mentioned an interview that was conducted by Nancy Grace (?), perhaps with the relevant neighbour, post murders. Perhaps if that can be dug up again it will give you a better idea. MOO

Thank you I was just looking thru the photos again, and I do recall conversations about the camera. Seems like it was a bit before BK was arrested, or at least before the cross country trip by BK and his father. I think I missed that there's more than one kind of doorbell cam and now seeing settings matter too. All = things I've learned so far today

 

[Nila Aella]

That sounds like a geofence warrant.

Thanks for the work on looking into these warrants!
I recall per PCA that LE did a capture of cell phone pings (or however it is done) for the crime scene area and immediate surrounds - for the early am hours Nov 13th. I'm not up on how this works exactly but some of the warrants you mention here must be related to that? I think such a warrant allows LE to id cell phone numbers that were active in the area at the time of murders. In the PCA the affiant mentions that owing to this warrant, LE knew in retrospect that the BK no. was not active at that time, via the BK historical cell phone ping info acquired via warrant on 23rd DEcember. RE the timeline, all that coincides with what we are so familar with by now re BK turning phone off then on again (ala IT Crowd) before and after the crime. MOO and what a mouthfull.

RTT (real time tool)
LocDBoR (Location database of record)

I ran into this link when trying to learn what they used for location data. I found it very helpful! I am still working my way through it. MOO

https://rollinsandchan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Guide-to-Cell-Phone-Location-Evidence.pdf

After reading a bit, I wanted to know what cell service is like where he drove, since the PCA mentions that an area without cell coverage as one reason for the phone not registering page 13.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

This is a link to reviews of cell phone coverage in Moscow, which I found interesting. Many of the reviews are years old, some are newer though (since 2021) and still mention poor to no cell service depending on the carrier and location. They also mention dropped calls and very low bars registering in multiple areas.

Who's the Best Carrier In Moscow? 55 People Agree It's This.

The best signal in the neighborhood is...

www.cellreception.com

I have a few questions: Apologies if the answers are apparent to everyone else.
If your phone has dropped off from the tower but on, can you still geolocate? I'm guessing not, but remember others knowledgable in this subject talking about handshakes and such.
If your phone is registering bars, but just barely, does that effect geolocation?
Is geolocation like a continuous graph or intermittent spots where you connect the dots?

I'm just trying to learn more about the process. They likely have his phone now, which probably gives them a better understanding of what his phone(s) was (were) doing. MOO

 

[Megnut]

Interesting. The kind of camera isn't specified in the PCA:

"At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at I 112 King Road, a residence
immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like
voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times
starting at 4:17 a.m. The security camera is less than fifty feet from the west wall of Kernodle's bedroom."

Link to PCA:

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

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Two thoughts: I'm not certain a stabbed victim would thud. But perhaps if stabbed and then thrown off, it might.

So... thud could be a body but also, a jump from a third floor balcony would generate a thud. Could BK have turned around in the kitchen after D saw him, returned to the third floor in search of his sheath and exited by way of the 3rd floor sliders/deck? Could that be what set Murphy off, if it was Murphy's barking which was captured?

More likely, a victim was thrown with force and/or a victim toppled something loud when falling. Perhaps a victim was found crumpled against the wall.

I feel so bad for everyone who faced that scene.

JMO

 

[U.N. Known]

BBM. me too. I wonder about the 2nd page of the PCA being redacted. Could there have been another person there? In the bathroom? Maybe passed out--the unconscious person? Was page 2 redacted for security purposes? The longer I think about some things the more confused I get. The evidence seems strong, cell, DNA, car, eye-witness but why all the confidentiality and "pray" to keep things sealed? Both sides.

JMO

I haven't made it to the end of the thread, so forgive me if this has been covered: the 2nd page of the PCA wasn't redacted. There was a blank page inserted in the version released in Idaho--the ones with the roommates initials instead of their names. An official mentioned that. If you look at it, the wording continues to the next page without a break.

The version released when the PA search warrant was released has the full document without the "redacted" page with no whiteout and initials. The roommates full names are listed as Officer Payne wrote them.

 

[ilovewings]

Tonight there is a special on this case on ID--- from 10:00 to 11:00 p.m.
"The Idaho college Murders"
I will be watching!

 

[schooling]

Theres a very clear published picture of the house mentioned in the PCA as containing the camera. In the picture LE is talking to the owners on the day of the crimes and you can clearly see a security camera. The one most likely to be mentioned in the PCA. It’s not a named brand of any kind. More of an old school one. I might do a Google reverse image search so I can find an official article link. This picture was printed/ featured in a lot of major news orgs. Theres also one with the family and Nancy G.

 

[U.N. Known]

Yes to what y'all are saying. All I'm sure of is that something doesn't feel right, and no matter how much I read, think, etc my brain still glitches when it comes to BK and the murders. I do think he probably has issues, and also that he'd make almost the perfect one to "pin this on" - for lack of a better term - not because I believe LE is literally trying to pin this on him, or at least I'd hope not. I keep waiting for whatever is missing to slide into place, but nothing we've seen so far has made that happen. I'm not discounting that BK was involved, just saying something feels off. Edited to add: not even discounting that BK might be responsible. Mainly noting that something doesn't feel right - yet.

You've perfectly explained my thoughts on the case. Something just seems off. I do think part of the reason we have that "glitch" (I love that) is the missing time between the murders and the 911 call and four hours that passed between the time the 911 call and the time officer Payne arrived on the scene (4 PM per the PCA). The swiftness of the gag order and the notes that revealing some of the information may endanger someone(s) adds to the intrigue.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Perhaps there was video of a car similar to the one driven by one or more DoorDash drivers, so they thought it prudent to rule all of them out by showing they were there to deliver orders.

I'm pretty sure that many businesses would release that information without a warrant, they were just covering all the bases. In case the defense poses the question, "Well, why is this car or that one also cruising through the area frequently?" LE can say, well, these cars are all DoorDash.

And, they may want to correlate the delivery days/times with the known times BK was in the neighborhood, contact the drivers, and see if they saw anything strange (such as someone breaking into that car at the next door neighbors house - which could have been BK).

And so on.

IMO

But bk was only in Idaho since July so maybe that’s part of it, but the other 6 months or so? Are they looking for someone else?

 

[schooling]

A clear picture of the likely camera IMO

Moscow Police: 4 dead at home near University of Idaho campus; investigation continues

Four people were found dead at a home near the University of Idaho around midday Sunday, and police are looking for witnesses in what they're calling a homicide investigation.

www.spokesman.com

Compare the captions attached to the images with the information about the camera that captured the thud in the PCA. I at one point had all of the information about that camera via an Amazon link but have since lost it.

It can be activated by audio. The video resolution is awful.

 

[U.N. Known]

Some of us are happier with pat answers, and those quick and certain responses may or may not be correct, but that's not really the point. Imo Ime fast and certain answers mean a lot of important questions are skimmed over or discouraged, and probably a lot of stupid ones, too. To me, that's a real loss, and defeats the point of engaging.
And this is all jmo imo ime.

Snipped above:

I would be the juror that annoyed others as I've probably done on another site or two. I don't want the pat answers or quick or certain responses either. I look for logic and evidence, not what's probable or most convenient.

I'll add that IMO, avoiding difficult questions because it may hurt the feelings of a witness or family member isn't an option in a murder case. I hope that LE combs through every nook and cranny of every piece of evidence they have, even if that means a family member or two or a victim has a skeleton unearthed. That would be unfortunate, but what would be more unfortunate is for the wrong person to end up in prison for life or executed because it's less messy. IMO, the victims deserve to have the guilty party convicted and the defendant deserves to be released if he is not that person (of course, he also deserves to be convicted if he is the murderer).

 

[schooling]

There has been prior discussion of this but on which thread and when I can't tell you. MOO - I know which house it is - immediately north west of the residence. There are pictures on the media thread, or in a photos list at the beginning of each thread here, including I believe one that shows the camera mounted above a deck. I can't remember whether the camera was more likely to to be a sound activated one, based on an MSM interview or not. I only remember exchanging several posts some time ago about it. Someone here has just mentioned an interview that was conducted by Nancy Grace (?), perhaps with the relevant neighbour, post murders. Perhaps if that can be dug up again it will give you a better idea. MOO

Moscow Police: 4 dead at home near University of Idaho campus; investigation continues

Four people were found dead at a home near the University of Idaho around midday Sunday, and police are looking for witnesses in what they're calling a homicide investigation.

www.spokesman.com

 

[U.N. Known]

Yes, that is correct. The cameras can be adjusted to pick up motion within a predetermined range and then start recording. Most owners will adjust the camera range to within their own yard so cars passing by do not trigger the recording. And, they can also set the sensitivity. The newer models can usually differentiate between birds, cats, and humans. I have the split-screen doorbell cams and they will pick up a human walking up to about 30 feet away, and they will also detect a package if it's left on the porch.

Basically, there are two types of doorbell cams--those that are wired and those that are wireless (battery operated). If they're wired, they draw power from a circuit wire, so the owner doesn't have to worry about a battery running down, and they can set the sensitivity high so the camera records often. Those who depend on batteries typically set the sensitivity low so they record only when humans come into range.

They're not perfect, however, my Saint Bernard is large enough to trigger the motion detectors at times. But, rarely does a cat trigger oneI'

I've thought little about the cameras other than the one that caught the thud and dog barking in the house the night of the murders.

This is really just me thinking out loud. The area is known for parties. LE was called to the victim's house multiple times for noise complaints. Would the neighbor's camera pick up all of that constant noise? Recording constantly? I doubt any of this is relevant, but considering the apparent, regular, loud noises emanating from that home and possibly others, IMO, it seems a bit much to have it set for that level of sensitivity.

 

[al66pine]

.... I don't think anyone else was involved and I do think it was a case of infatuation/stalking/post-rejection narcissistic injury....

snipped for focus @Gemmie Thanks for summarizing my thoughts so succinctly. You may have created an acronym, deserving of recognition like SODDI.

ISPRNI.
Infatuation/Stalking/Post-Rejection Narcissistic Injury (and/or death).

BTW, not kidding.

Pronunciation: iss pree nee.
This could use some help. Any linguists in the house?
imo

 

[Gemmie]

snipped for focus @Gemmie Thanks for summarizing my thoughts so succinctly. You may have created an acronym, deserving of recognition like SODDI.

ISPRNI.
Infatuation/Stalking/Post-Rejection Narcissistic Injury (and/or death).

Pronunciation: iss pree nee.
This could use some help. Any linguists in the house?
imo

The kudos go to @BeginnerSleuther.

 

[Sincerely]

possibly didn't use his real name..
i'd like to get my claws on his dating site info..

That’s what I was thinking and me too!