4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #84

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Has anyone seen any "experts" predict how the judge will rule on this stay of proceedings motion, or on granting them full access to the Grand Jury info? I didn't see any circumstances where he has the right to everything.

Does anyone know if those motions are normally granted or not? It seems like the opportunity to challenge the a Grand Jury indictment is pretty limited. Unless they did a bad job of selecting the entire panel of grand jurors, I don't immediately see anything else that they could argue was improper. The way this is written, it appears that if the indictment was a unanimous vote of 12 or more, they can't even challenge the choice or 1 or 2 grand jurors.

Oh goodness.... if BrianK did in fact do these crimes, then surely he'd love to have all the vid' and photos' in his hands in his cell at all times.... Lord have mercy.
 
I’m actually surprised he hasn’t played the “and now I shall represent myself” card. Maybe that’s waiting in the wings.
IMO he'll always have lawyers. My reasoning includes: The evidence against him is a tiny bit 'weak', is it not (isn't DNA on the knife sheath the ONE solid piece???)? His lawyers are a team, so if BrianK doesn't like one he can hang with one of the others. I do NOT know what the evidence based scientific USA statistics are, but isn't the sort of person who fires their lawyers a person prone to angry outbursts, a total narcissist who thinks he/she's smarter than everyone else in the universe, and can be a sort of person who is actually 'mixed up' about what the law is. Anyone have statistics for range of I.Q. of USA criminal defendants who are facing murder firing their public defender team/s?
 
I'm very late to paying attention to this case. I totally missed that law enf' got a Van's shoe footprint. If Brian was the killer, surely he wouldn't have worn his own shoes, plus surely he'd destroy all the clothes he wore, ditch the knife, burn it all up? Bryan Kohberger case: Footprint found inside Idaho crime scene could help cops build case And if BrianK is the killer, he sure doesn't seem to be sweating about that knife sheath....
 
I'm very late to paying attention to this case. I totally missed that law enf' got a Van's shoe footprint. If Brian was the killer, surely he wouldn't have worn his own shoes, plus surely he'd destroy all the clothes he wore, ditch the knife, burn it all up? Bryan Kohberger case: Footprint found inside Idaho crime scene could help cops build case And if BrianK is the killer, he sure doesn't seem to be sweating about that knife sheath....

No doubt he did wear his own shoes. I suspect he only had a finite amount of money and I think he was going to the house to kill one person where he could control the amount of blood on the floor so that his shoe prints would not be an issue.

I think it escalated in the dark that there were 2 people in the first bed and then 2 more that showed up looking at what was causing the sounds.
 
I believe the link is in the Tweet. What I want to know is... what time this afternoon??? That's a pretty vague time. lol

Scheduled to be on @TMZLive today
Sorry for the nails on chalkboard for some when answering your own post... I just answered my own Q and thought others would like the answer as well:

Kohberger is expected in court at 4 p.m. ET Tuesday for another pretrial hearing.

 
Agreed, especially right after he came out of rehab.
It's really hard to believe it had nothing to do with drugs, for me, personally - just as an immediate intuition. Practically all the sibling thefts I know about are related to drugs in some way.

Of course, we will never know. But his siblings know the whole story (so now it makes a bit more sense that one or both of them might have spoken either to Dateline or to "someone close to the investigation," (such as each other).

Most people drawn so young to heroin are experiencing other mental health symptoms, IME and IMO.

Big tangled ball of yarn, IMO.
 
If BrianK is guilty of all of this, I TOTALLY think of him as Animal Control Officer BTK in personality - minus wife and children. NOT Ted Bundy. Does anyone know about BrianK having past romantic relationships of any sort??? Ted Bundy roamed around murdering, correct? If BrianK did all of this, I'd expect him to continue in a relatively tight geographic location, and weren't there actually 3 or 4 or 5 post-high school colleges and technical colleges in that area? Seems fixated on the 'college co-ed party' sort....
 
Please explain your post - I don't understand.... 'different' from what? You are 'extremely empathetic' but 'can't even imagine'-- what??

Having to live in a household with a thief. Having the natural bonds of siblinghood violated. Being violated by a member of one's own household - who is still living there and does not move out for a decade?

Things like that? It was bad enough when our next door neighbor broke into our house. Most people trust family. Implicitly. And therefore, violation of that trust is a whole nuther ball of wax for me, and for many, and for every sibling-victim I've ever interviewed. I don't even like remembering the one thief in my own family (who stole from his wife's dying father). Creates a knot in my stomach that studying other crime does not, because it's personal and there are more feelings involved. It's deeply disconcerting to have one's own home be unsafe and stressful, whether stranger or otherwise. But to have to see the thief at holiday dinner would add insult to injury. IMO.

Stranger-perpetrated crime has a different feel from neighbor-perpetrated crime. Naturally, natal family-perpetrated crime is different too and creates a different kind of psychological pain and helplessness for many people who experience it. That's why we have domestic violence in its own legal category.

IMO.
 
It's really hard to believe it had nothing to do with drugs, for me, personally - just as an immediate intuition. Practically all the sibling thefts I know about are related to drugs in some way.

Of course, we will never know. But his siblings know the whole story (so now it makes a bit more sense that one or both of them might have spoken either to Dateline or to "someone close to the investigation," (such as each other).

Most people drawn so young to heroin are experiencing other mental health symptoms, IME and IMO.

Big tangled ball of yarn, IMO.
He could have had plans to sell the phone for more drugs. MOO
 
No doubt he did wear his own shoes. I suspect he only had a finite amount of money and I think he was going to the house to kill one person where he could control the amount of blood on the floor so that his shoe prints would not be an issue.

I think it escalated in the dark that there were 2 people in the first bed and then 2 more that showed up looking at what was causing the sounds.
But surely he'd been outside stalking them the entire time, so surely he knew exactly who was where and who slept with who, right? The murderer did 3 females and 1 male, and did not murder 1 particular female - if BrianK is in fact the killer, with his 'I'm a criminal behavior expert' head, I'd think BrianK would have deliberately chosen to kill just as he did - why? - in order to throw off the scent a little for bona fide criminal profilers. Has anything been published about what's been found in BrianK's computers???
 
I'm very late to paying attention to this case. I totally missed that law enf' got a Van's shoe footprint. If Brian was the killer, surely he wouldn't have worn his own shoes, plus surely he'd destroy all the clothes he wore, ditch the knife, burn it all up? Bryan Kohberger case: Footprint found inside Idaho crime scene could help cops build case And if BrianK is the killer, he sure doesn't seem to be sweating about that knife sheath....

From my POV, whatever shoes the killer put on his feet became "his own shoes" at that point in time. I would figure that Vans would be preferred for slippery footwork in pools of blood - and as it turned out, the killer was a bit sloppy and there was at least one pool of blood! Vans are designed to keep your feet on the deck of a slippery skateboard.

They are also ubiquitous. They are relatively cheap. I think most of us assume he got rid of them - somewhere.

However there were two types of latent prints. From a forensic point of view, that means there were certainly a few more non-latent prints. In other words, a trail of blood of footprints, some of them noticeable by the unaided eye.

A footprint provides really good data about the shape of the toes, joints and other foot components inside the shoe. Height of the arch. Length of big toe in relation to all the others. It would not eliminate tons of people - but it would match the killer and be another piece of evidence, whether or not the shoe is ever found.

It usually also helps forensic footprint specialists to give an approximate height and sex for the shoe wearer. Even if he got used shoes at a thrift store (and I bet he didn't), his own foot would be inside of them and the weight and gait impressions would be his, not the former shoe owner's. If the two kinds of data didn't match and it was clear it was someone else's show (initially), that would tell the investigators that the killer did indeed have "kill shoes" that he'd picked up in order to discard. That's how I would interpret it. A jury might interpret it the same way (evidence of pre-meditation).

Why do you say he's not sweating about the knife sheath? We've seen him in 2-3 second bursts, mostly from behind or the side, in the courtroom where (IMO) he often looks nervous or intense. He's sitting in jail because of that knife sheath. Do you have information about his calmness? (Or can you say why your intuition is telling you this?)

At any rate, many of us believe that sheath is only the tip of the iceberg of upcoming evidence. The search warrants and subpoenas already tell a complex story - and a Grand Jury heard that evidence and indicted him.

He has a lot to worry about, IMO.
 
I agree.

I said this somewhere at the beginning of these threads, that if the roommate heard a male voice at 4 AM, she would’ve recognized it had it been Ethan’s.

IMO it was definitely the murderer, whom I believe 100% is BK, chillingly shutting up the victims by saying “it’s ok, I’m going to help you.” Still aiming to control the entire scenario.

If we ponder what we’ve learned about how he acted as a TA, and the things he said about his emotions and about his family when he was on a discussion board about the visual snow, I do NOT see a helpful side. At all.

JMO
Can you tell me a bit of what he said about a visual snow and about his family? Thank you.
 
If BrianK is guilty of all of this, I TOTALLY think of him as Animal Control Officer BTK in personality - minus wife and children. NOT Ted Bundy. Does anyone know about BrianK having past romantic relationships of any sort??? Ted Bundy roamed around murdering, correct? If BrianK did all of this, I'd expect him to continue in a relatively tight geographic location, and weren't there actually 3 or 4 or 5 post-high school colleges and technical colleges in that area? Seems fixated on the 'college co-ed party' sort....

There are a lot of reports of him being socially awkward, interacting poorly with his peers and students below him when he was a TA, and engaging in misogynistic behavior, but some of it is from secondary sources … and the gag orders shut down a lot of information, so people tend to debate the veracity of any speculation about his … let’s say psyche.

I don’t think we ever heard about any romantic relationships.

He does seem to have a lot of fans now though.
 
"In March, Idaho Gov. Brad Little signed a new law giving the state’s department of corrections up to five days after a death warrant is issued to determine if lethal injection drugs are available, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. If the drugs are not available, a firing squad can perform the execution."

"Idaho’s new law goes into effect July 1, joining similar laws in Mississippi, Utah and Oklahoma. Lethal injection drugs have become harder to get as some manufacturers don't want their products used in executions."

 
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He could have had plans to sell the phone for more drugs. MOO

That's exactly what came to my mind. For the sister to file a report (which is my belief that she did), she probably thought at first it was a stranger theft (maybe not!) But filing a report means this isn't just a case of Little Brother borrowing the phone to play games, evade ground or to make a call.

It is not clear that the sister ever got her phone back, either.

So yeah, selling the phone fits. As to the overall timeline, we get the TapATalk posts and a run-down of his neurological/mental symptoms; then we get "rehab" (sometimes rumored to be something else), amidst various mentions of heroin addiction and personality change and dramatic weight loss. Rehab is expensive. There are two parental bankruptcies on this timeline as well (MSM early on). I find it hard to believe that Kohberger's first theft was from his sister, I still have the strong suspicion that he was out and about at night, creeping, peeping, stalking, cold casing, hot casing, etc. Then there are his unsuccessful attempts at app-based dating in there somewhere, as well (the woman with the "child-bearing" hips whom he followed to her bathroom door, where she feigned illness in order to get him to leave). There's that incident (can't remember where), when he was asked to leave a restaurant or bar for being systematically inappropriate to one woman (or a few women, can't remember).

That's the early phase. Then we have him following a woman to her car in Pullman, going into a woman's house to provide "security," and a woman who "stormed out" of a grad seminar due to his behavior. A fellow grad student said he seemed to have a problem "with women." This stuff is post-facto, of course. I don't think the rehab/heroin use/TapATalk confessions/phone theft are post-facto.

I really hope fervently that he has committed his last crimes.
 
If BrianK did in fact do the crimes, IMO he never, ever thought he'd get caught - IMO he thinks he's far, far too smart to be taken down, and I'd expect his BEHAVIOR NOW to be him telling his lawyers he's innocent, he's being 'framed by some local lunatic', and yup he'll ultimately testify and all the while he'll think he can outsmart whoever the prosecutor is who questions him.

Agreed.

He showed his arrogance often in most of what he did prior to the murders.

Maddy, Kaylee, Xana & Ethan didn’t have a chance against alleged killer and narcissist BK. He’s a terrifying individual that did a horrific crime - can’t even go there in my mind - those last few minutes of their young lives feeling horrified. A coward with a knife in the dark - yes, he didn’t think he would get caught, he’s got the credentials, he thought he’s smarter than everyone else, and no one would be onto him. He was wrong, they got the right one, imo. Great LE work! I can’t wait until the totality of the circumstances is delivered during trial… the science will nail this guy!

Speculation and moo
 
There are a lot of reports of him being socially awkward, interacting poorly with his peers and students below him when he was a TA, and engaging in misogynistic behavior, but some of it is from secondary sources … and the gag orders shut down a lot of information, so people tend to debate the veracity of any speculation about his … let’s say psyche.

I don’t think we ever heard about any romantic relationships.

He does seem to have a lot of fans now though.
I found the article below - I did not watch the source tape. If that woman did a first meeting with BrianK off a dating app', it makes sense to me that BrianK would 'have a thing' about not crossing the threshold into her house at that time, and that he did some goofy tickling and then said 'I didn't touch you!' - the latter is classic domestic abuse, 'gaslighting', denying he did what he did. Woman Shares Viral Recollection Of Creepy Tinder Date With University Of Idaho Murderer, Bryan Kohberger
 
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