4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[schooling]

Good reasoning about the cars in front. Still MOO I think he regarded himself a master of hot prowl. If no evidence from an arrest its not going to be something that can be shown in court, it's just a hunch from his behaviors and drug addiction.
Stalkers form relationships in their minds with their victims.
Celebrities that get stalked can end up with those stalkers in their livingrooms calling them by their first names.

Arguably...the more cars, the better. That's at least what I've gathered as a non professional who's read/watched/listened to a ton of content on this stuff. I remember reading that some serial killers got a kick out of traumatizing survivors all over again with phone calls and letters. Again, MOO.

Also, we know by cell phone records that BK was likely stalking the house for awhile. He's probably seen nothing other than a lot of cars outside. As according to reports Ethan frequently stayed over and Kayleigh had been there through the summer.

MOO

 

[Diddian]

This is interesting. It makes me wonder if there were other incidents that occurred at home that made his father report him on this one.

It was his sister versus an unknown person. Odd that he didn’t apply discipline at home to him and leave it at that. He was definitely making a point about it. I wonder if his father was afraid of him and uncertain of what he might do next.

I don't know, but wonder if part of the deal that got his record expunged was that he enter rehab. Maybe his father insisted on the arrest in an attempt to get BK to make the choice to enter rehab as an alternative to other consequences.

 

[Balthazar]

The only people INVOLVED who do not want the house knocked down are Kaylee's parents and her dad said Maddy's parents I think.

The prosecution is fine with it being demolished, other authorities are fine, defense is fine with it, university is fine with it, Ethan's parents and siblings are fine with it, many students and neighbors in the area are tired of looking at it and being reminded. Also, too many people are traveling to the area to get photos of the house. A nuisance and an eyesore.

It is contaminated with chemicals and is missing some flooring and missing some walls. And everything relating to this crime has been removed including the night lights and beds.

Thompson said it is NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A JURY WALK THROUGH. And it is a HEALTH HAZARD.

2 Cents

Should a notorious crime scene be demolished before trial?

At the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, sheets of plywood cover the windows. A temporary fence surrounds the yard. Security guards, posted in a blue trailer, keep watch 24 hours a day.

www.spokesman.com

The Goncalves, Mogen and Kernodle families, including Xana's mom, don't want it torn down.

University of Idaho murders house to be torn down despite calls from victims' families to postpone

The off-campus University of Idaho house where four students were stabbed to death is set to be torn down despite calls from victims' families to postpone until after the suspect's trial. The four victims -- roommates Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, as well as Kernodle's...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

University of Idaho faces more pressure to leave murder house standing

The mother of murdered student Xana Kernodle , 20, has added to growing pressure on college bosses to halt the bulldozers ahead of the planned demolition in 10 days time

www.dailymail.co.uk

JMO

 

[schooling]

For me, I have a hard time reconciling the fact that the victims weren't close to BK yet the murders seem so personal, at least KG and MM IMO.

I'm thinking one or both KG and MM were the main focus of BKs attack. What I get stuck on is why/what led BK to X and E but not DM or BF? DM said she heard someone say "It's OK I'm going to help you" so perhaps X or E saw BK? Yet BK walked right by DM

If he were intent on killing a house of popular girls, he left two out. If he were stalking any of them, I'd think he would know more about their routines (E staying overnight, KGs car etc).

I'd believe that maybe BK thought he'd have upstairs to himself except there were a number of vehicles parked out front. BK drove past them about 4 or 5 times. He had to have noticed. Therefore, despite everything BK went inside and killed. I think it was for the thrill of it JMO.

I think BK had already been by the house a half dozen times (that we know of, according to the cell phone records) and was used to seeing the house full of cars. I think once enough sets of lights went off he identified some pattern of living that told him it was a good time to go in.

Also, Ethan and Xana were just wrong place, wrong time. Most people believe that BK encountered them on his way out of the house.

 

[Boxer]

I was thinking the other day of the upkeep necessary to maintain an empty property long term through summer and winter weather and keep it at a level, that if not inhabitable, is at least safe for people to come in for a restricted amount of time. I've had to do that after family members died in the Midwest. Without heat or a/c running (with water shut off to avoid burst pipes), even with frequent checking we had mold, insects, and other problems.

And that was with intact walls and floors. And without the presence of the chemicals needed to clean up biohazardous waste.

So, you keep the house up through trial. Now what? Is it okay now, or do you need to wait for appeals to be done?

Death penalty will immediately go to appeal. And the appeal process for death sentences is incredibly lengthy. For example, in Ohio, you are looking at an average of 15 years to work through all levels of appeals.

Ohio Prosecuting Attorneys Association

IMHO, that is not tenable.

MOO an appeal will only be of the legal process, since the jury tries the facts and evidence.

 

[gremlin444]

MOO an appeal will only be of the legal process, since the jury tries the facts and evidence.

I know. And yet I have literally seen dozens of people on various platforms and social media insist the house has to stay up all the way through appeals, which blows my mind.

 

[Red Clover]

My hope is that the UI follows through with the demolition asap. The house has no further evidentiary value and is a source of distress in the neighborhood and in the wider Moscow community.
May it be gone by the time students return from the holiday break.

MOO of course

 

[10ofRods]

I know. And yet I have literally seen dozens of people on various platforms and social media insist the house has to stay up all the way through appeals, which blows my mind.

Because they don't know the law, IMO. Or how evidence works. I can't believe people think that entire crime scenes should be entered into evidence and then preserved, apparently for years and years, decades even. Not gonna happen. Rarely happens that anyone visits with a jury anyway. Last time in CA that I know of was O.J.'s murder trial and we know how that went.

Makes the jury themselves into experts, which is a very very bad idea. System is designed for that not to happen. Experts bring in the evidence (videos are enough).

OTOH, if BK wants to take the stand on his own behalf and ask that the jury accompany him to the house, so that he can demonstrate that he cannot quickly go up stairs - let's see what happens. He needs to make THAT decision right away - because the house is almost gone.

Social media platforms tend to stir the pot, IMO. Fortunately, Justice takes place in the courts.

IMO.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

My hope is that the UI follows through with the demolition asap. The house has no further evidentiary value and is a source of distress in the neighborhood and in the wider Moscow community.
May it be gone by the time students return from the holiday break.

MOO of course

I see people mentioning the UI a lot but I thought it was a private rental not a UI student residence and that the youngsters in residence were all sharing off campus ? Am I mistaken?

 

[Charlot123]

I've thought that many times. I've wondered if he was targeting MM, but didn't know KG was there, or at least, didn't expect to find her in the same bed. That threw him off and things went sideways from there. JMO

Only strange that Murphy didn't bark. He could have seen that there was light in two rooms, and hard to imagine a dog not barking at all.

 

[Boxer]

I see people mentioning the UI a lot but I thought it was a private rental not a UI student residence and that the youngsters in residence were all sharing off campus ? Am I mistaken?

The owner donated 1122 to UI after the murders.
Security is probably 500 a day.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The owner donated 1122 to UI after the murders.
Security is probably 500 a day.

Ah OK thanks for this info, yes I understand the owner would be extremely compromised and the costs of guarding from crime scene explorers and the curious from now until forever more will be huge.

I can understand why interested parties wouldn't want it taking down until a conviction is secured.

 

[schooling]

Only strange that Murphy didn't bark. He could have seen that there was light in two rooms, and hard to imagine a dog not barking at all.

I remember hearing/reading a lot that Murphy didn’t bark. But I don’t think it’s ever been mentioned for certain that he didn’t. Not on any publicly available court document anyway.

Is this just something that we’ve assumed all along because early assumptions were that everyone’s sleeping?

 

[10ofRods]

Ah OK thanks for this info, yes I understand the owner would be extremely compromised and the costs of guarding from crime scene explorers and the curious from now until forever more will be huge.

I can understand why interested parties wouldn't want it taking down until a conviction is secured.

Odd, then, that the State has not objected. They are an interested party.

And one would think that the Defense would object, if there were an issue.

So far, both have been silent and I think it's past the point where they could object. For good reasons. Legal reasons, IMO.

 

[schooling]

Only strange that Murphy didn't bark. He could have seen that there was light in two rooms, and hard to imagine a dog not barking at all.

Also, I’ve reverted back to my earlier belief that Xana and Ethan were attacked and one killed right away. Upon BKs entrance into the house. And I think it’s pretty plausible if you look at the PCA and take DM for her word and interpret what she heard above her slightly differently.

All of the below is my opinion and only based on inference from the PCA. MOO. I don’t claim to have any inside information

IMO The sounds of BK murdering Ethan and attacking Xana is what actually woke DM up.

IMO What she heard above her shortly thereafter was Murphy frantically trying to get out of the room after hearing what was going on below. Likely not barking at this point.

IMO Kaylee says “there is someone here” after also being awoken, hearing Murphy, and putting things together.

DM has likely heard Kaylee’s voice a million times before through those walls and ceilings. LEs suggestion in the PCA that it was in fact Xana is just a suggestion.

IMO BK murders Kaylee and Maddie he knows that he lost his sheath. But his search is interrupted by Xanas cries down below.

IMO BK heads back downstairs Murphy starts to bark. He’s just heard Kaylee in grave distress feet away from him.

IMO BK finds an alive Xana and picks her up and this is the thump we hear along with barking picked up on the neighbors camera.

IMO either the dog barking and being afraid that someone left Maddie’s room alive or the sheath or both led BK back up the stairs briefly. I think on his way back down and out is when DM saw him.

This was an early theory of mine that I abandoned after the PCA was released. But after Steve G (Kaylees dad) recent statement about his daughter being up … I’ve gone back to revisit the PCA and assumed that was in fact Kaylees voice and that Murphy was frantically moving around n the room (during Xana and Ethan’s murder) and then stepped it up to uncharacteristic barking after Kaylees murder which was heard on the camera. .

All MOO.

 

[iamshadow21]

Also, I’ve reverted back to my earlier belief that Xana and Ethan were attacked and one killed right away. Upon BKs entrance into the house. And I think it’s pretty plausible if you look at the PCA and take DM for her word and interpret what she heard above her slightly differently.

All of the below is my opinion and only based on inference from the PCA. MOO. I don’t claim to have any inside information

IMO The sounds of BK murdering Ethan and attacking Xana is what actually woke DM up.

IMO What she heard above her shortly thereafter was Murphy frantically trying to get out of the room after hearing what was going on below. Likely not barking at this point.

IMO Kaylee says “there is someone here” after also being awoken, hearing Murphy, and putting things together.

DM has likely heard Kaylee’s voice a million times before through those walls and ceilings. LEs suggestion in the PCA that it was in fact Xana is just a suggestion.

IMO BK murders Kaylee and Maddie he knows that he lost his sheath. But his search is interrupted by Xanas cries down below.

IMO BK heads back downstairs Murphy starts to bark. He’s just heard Kaylee in grave distress feet away from him.

IMO BK finds an alive Xana and picks her up and this is the thump we hear along with barking picked up on the neighbors camera.

IMO either the dog barking and being afraid that someone left Maddie’s room alive or the sheath or both led BK back up the stairs briefly. I think on his way back down and out is when DM saw him.

This was an early theory of mine that I abandoned after the PCA was released. But after Steve G (Kaylees dad) recent statement about his daughter being up … I’ve gone back to revisit the PCA and assumed that was in fact Kaylees voice and that Murphy was frantically moving around n the room (during Xana and Ethan’s murder) and then stepped it up to uncharacteristic barking after Kaylees murder which was heard on the camera. .

All MOO.

The problem I feel with this sequence is the orientation of DM's doorway. If he was coming from Xana's room, she only would have had to open the door the barest crack to see him pass, to see his face. If he was coming down the stairs from the top floor, she would have had to have the door wide and her head and upper body sticking out into the hallway to see his face. Otherwise, she'd just see his back as he turned into the kitchen to leave.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Also, I’ve reverted back to my earlier belief that Xana and Ethan were attacked and one killed right away. Upon BKs entrance into the house. And I think it’s pretty plausible if you look at the PCA and take DM for her word and interpret what she heard above her slightly differently.

All of the below is my opinion and only based on inference from the PCA. MOO. I don’t claim to have any inside information

IMO The sounds of BK murdering Ethan and attacking Xana is what actually woke DM up.

IMO What she heard above her shortly thereafter was Murphy frantically trying to get out of the room after hearing what was going on below. Likely not barking at this point.

IMO Kaylee says “there is someone here” after also being awoken, hearing Murphy, and putting things together.

DM has likely heard Kaylee’s voice a million times before through those walls and ceilings. LEs suggestion in the PCA that it was in fact Xana is just a suggestion.

IMO BK murders Kaylee and Maddie he knows that he lost his sheath. But his search is interrupted by Xanas cries down below.

IMO BK heads back downstairs Murphy starts to bark. He’s just heard Kaylee in grave distress feet away from him.

IMO BK finds an alive Xana and picks her up and this is the thump we hear along with barking picked up on the neighbors camera.

IMO either the dog barking and being afraid that someone left Maddie’s room alive or the sheath or both led BK back up the stairs briefly. I think on his way back down and out is when DM saw him.

This was an early theory of mine that I abandoned after the PCA was released. But after Steve G (Kaylees dad) recent statement about his daughter being up … I’ve gone back to revisit the PCA and assumed that was in fact Kaylees voice and that Murphy was frantically moving around n the room (during Xana and Ethan’s murder) and then stepped it up to uncharacteristic barking after Kaylees murder which was heard on the camera. .

All MOO.

Very much a possibility, I said something very similar many threads ago. Xana was awake having just gotten the DD delivery that we know for sure. The DD delivery testimony and her use of TikTok prove that. What I can't sort out for sure was she sitting on the couch and ran to her room for help from Ethan after seeing BK or was she sitting in her bed, how did BK run across her so easily as Xans's room is kind of tucked away in the corner from the kitchen/living room unless she was visible somehow to BK immediately, or maybe Xana and/or Ethan were the targets?

I imagine Maddie and Kaylee were fast asleep after drinking, eating, and doing a bit of the drunk dialing. I've always thought Murphy was put up in Kaylees old room, while the girls slept in Maddies.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Very much a possibility, I said something very similar many threads ago. Xana was awake having just gotten the DD delivery that we know for sure. The DD delivery testimony and her use of TikTok prove that. What I can't sort out for sure was she sitting on the couch and ran to her room for help from Ethan after seeing BK or was she sitting in her bed, how did BK run across her so easily as Xans's room is kind of tucked away in the corner from the kitchen/living room unless she was visible somehow to BK immediately, or maybe Xana and/or Ethan were the targets?

I imagine Maddie and Kaylee were fast asleep after drinking, eating, and doing a bit of the drunk dialing. I've always thought Murphy was put up in Kaylees old room, while the girls slept in Maddies.

JMO

LE stated that Murphy was found safe shut in a room not part of the crime scene, so I think that Kaylee's room is the only space that makes sense. There's no indication, as far as I know, that he was in a bathroom or the spare bedroom, and the rest of the house was pretty open plan.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Very much a possibility, I said something very similar many threads ago. Xana was awake having just gotten the DD delivery that we know for sure. The DD delivery testimony and her use of TikTok prove that. What I can't sort out for sure was she sitting on the couch and ran to her room for help from Ethan after seeing BK or was she sitting in her bed, how did BK run across her so easily as Xans's room is kind of tucked away in the corner from the kitchen/living room unless she was visible somehow to BK immediately, or maybe Xana and/or Ethan were the targets?

I imagine Maddie and Kaylee were fast asleep after drinking, eating, and doing a bit of the drunk dialing. I've always thought Murphy was put up in Kaylees old room, while the girls slept in Maddies.

JMO

Agree.
Seems most likely Kaylee left/put Murphy in her room to go talk to Maddie.


Also, I think BK just discovered he was very good at killing and saw or heard Xana as he started to exit, and then Ethan in succession and continued his rampage.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Seems most likely Kaylee left/put Murphy in her room to go talk to Maddie.

Agreed. I'm still waiting to learn whether Kaylee's room was still sufficiently furnished so she *could* have slept there (in which case she went to Maddie's room possibly to talk and only inadvertently fell asleep there)

or whether her room wasn't sleep-ready any longer and she intentionally stayed in Maddie's room.

In any case it makes sense to put Murphy, whether on a doggy bed or in a kennel, in the room he was most familiar with.

MOO