Well Blum has a lot wrong so not only is it not fact but he's making everybody react with these comments. This is either intentional to get attention or careless. JMOO
4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #94
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Well Blum has a lot wrong so not only is it not fact but he's making everybody react with these comments. This is either intentional to get attention or careless. JMOO
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Yes, didn't he or someone else say that DM and BF were texting during the time the murders were happening?
Or it might be yet another incorrect fact from Exhibit A of the PCA.
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Or Not
Or not. I agree. But, for now I don't know which is correct. I don't trust the PCA Exhibit A nor Howard Blum to be 100% accurate after the last 3 public hearings.
JMO.
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Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger found through matching DNA, phone records, video footage
A surviving roommate home at the time of the murders said she saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask covering his mouth, a document released Thursday states.
www.ktvb.com
"OFC Smith and I entered the King Road Residence through the bottom floor door on the north side of the building. OFC Smith and I then walked upstairs to the second floor. OFC Smith directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned (through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in the room) was Xana Kernodle's, hereafter "Kernodle" room. Just before this room there was a bathroom door on the south wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon.
Also in the room was a male, later identified as Ethan Chapin, hereafter, "Chapin".
Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined..."
So, Ethan is described as being in a room. He's not in a hallway (the one outside Xana's), nor is he in the space outside DM's room. If we ignore the word "also" and he's not in Xana's room, the only rooms we have left are the kitchen and the living room. I've seen nothing anywhere that would hint at him being in the kitchen. If he fell in the living room, DM would have walked past/seen him while on the way to the stairs to go down to the 1st floor where BF was.
And if he was attacked outside DM's door but crawled back to Xana's somehow--where is the blood trail? Did the murderer stop, grab a towel, and wipe up the trail behind Ethan after he collapsed? That doesn't fit with the timeline. We also don't have DM reporting hearing 185 lb Ethan crashing to the floor near her door. And clearly--if she looked out the door and saw the killer, wouldn't she have seen Ethan on the floor there?
Officer Payne talks about seeing Xana's body first as he walks down the hall to her room, then he mentions seeing Ethan in the room second. Pretty sure if Ethan was anywhere in that hall up to Xana's room, he would have mentioned Ethan as the body he sees first.
Incorrect facts in the PCA are along the lines of typos of road names/misattributing them to ID vs WA. Not putting a body in a completely wrong room. There are no word games here that can be worked around later, unlike the D "originally went to sleep in her bedroom"....that if matched with police statements from the time could also be inferred to have another meaning of "and then she later went and slept in BF's room." Ethan is described as being in the same room as Xana.
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I trust the PCA exhibit A over Mr. Blum---- I would take whatever is in his book with a grain of salt- but I do not plan to read his book
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I guess it would be a combination of factors.
Say, there is only touch DNA, but relatives were unafraid to do genetic testing (obviously, no requests from BK not to do them) + a cellphone indicating that he was at home that night, reading + some sounds in his room or better, witnesses seeing him at home, this would probably indicates that DNA was random.
On the other hand, the situation when the phone suddenly goes dark in a certain time frame that very night + no one to vouch that they heard him moving in own room, then the situation with DNA could be different.
Of course, there might be an in-between situation as well.
That information allegedly original came from SG. "He allegedly learned this information from an individual who served in the grand jury that voted to indict suspect Bryan Kohberger on four counts of murder in the deaths of Madison Mogen, 21; Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Ethan Chapin,20."
BUT it was reported by Blum. I don't believe SG talked to Blum. So it is possible Blum got it wrong.
Bryan Kohberger Murder Trial: Survivors Texted During Massacre: Report
A father of one victim learned "that the two survivors allegedly had not only been awake while the killings had taken place but that they had heard everything,” reports Air Mail.
www.insideedition.com
Then SG responded that Blum was wrong:
Investigative reporter accused of spreading falsehoods in University of Idaho murder series
MOSCOW, Idaho - The father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students murdered last November, accused an investigative journalist of spreading falsehoods in a series of
"In a statement from the Goncalves family lawyer, Steve Goncalves denounced much of what Blum states in his publications, saying Blum is profiting from his dead daughter and his family's grief.
"I just want to make it very clear to the public that we have not spoken to Mr. Blum about the death of our daughter. . . This is nothing more than grandstanding and a very, very poor attempt at getting attention. This piece is obviously fictional but written in poor taste. The Goncalves Family would ask that everyone please respect the victims of this tragedy and continue to support trustworthy journalism," Goncalves said in a statement to NonStop Local.
Blum has contacted the Goncalves family for an interview, which they say they have declined multiple times."
JMO.
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Blum is a writer and as such I'd expect a certain amount of literary or poetic license. He's telling a story.
D looked out and would have been startled by BK's presence right there in front of her, doubtful she looked beyond him, before she closed and locked her door. She would have had no way to think anyone had been harmed, let alone four brutal slayings. If E was backing into X's room, if that injury is accurate, I'm not sure there's even a stumbling step before gravity would drop him.
One thing we haven't heard is whether the friend(s) who discovered E and X's bodies touched them, tried to roll them over, check for pulses, thereby repositioning them.
Whatever happened in the house that night, Blum's book is not evidence. The real evidence will come out at the trial. Where there will be exhibits showing where each victim was found. In a hallway, in a room, in a doorway, behind a door, on a bed, in a corner. There will be testimony to the order of the killings and IMO expert testimony gauging how quickly it all could happen. Mere minutes.
The book might be a compelling read but it won't be evidence in the case.
We are a long way from trial...
JMO
D looked out and would have been startled by BK's presence right there in front of her, doubtful she looked beyond him, before she closed and locked her door. She would have had no way to think anyone had been harmed, let alone four brutal slayings. If E was backing into X's room, if that injury is accurate, I'm not sure there's even a stumbling step before gravity would drop him.
One thing we haven't heard is whether the friend(s) who discovered E and X's bodies touched them, tried to roll them over, check for pulses, thereby repositioning them.
Whatever happened in the house that night, Blum's book is not evidence. The real evidence will come out at the trial. Where there will be exhibits showing where each victim was found. In a hallway, in a room, in a doorway, behind a door, on a bed, in a corner. There will be testimony to the order of the killings and IMO expert testimony gauging how quickly it all could happen. Mere minutes.
The book might be a compelling read but it won't be evidence in the case.
We are a long way from trial...
JMO
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Any ideas why he didn’t kill the witness ? Didn’t see Her? Exhausted? Only wanted to kill one girl snd the others were collateral damage in his way?
Such a disgusting horrifying thing. (I’m glad at least two survived.I wonder why one had a chance to call 911….too fast?
Such a disgusting horrifying thing. (I’m glad at least two survived.I wonder why one had a chance to call 911….too fast?
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I think he did not see her. He was IMO bent on leaving and his eyes were adjusting from hi/lo or lo/hi light.
She didn't call 911 IMO because she was spooked by someone leaving her college apartment bldg. She didn't know anyone had been stabbed! What would she have said? My roommates are being noisy and I saw a guy leave?
She was probably more irritated than anything, then startled when there was someone right there, gasp. Bet she was imagining talking to her roommates in the morning about unescorted guests....
No way could she have imagined what happened.
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IMO based on my personal interpretation of the PCA’s careful wording. I think DM initially went to sleep in her own room but after being awoken by BK, she ultimately slept in BF’s room that night and woke up together the next morning.
MOO. A theory of mine. Nothing more.
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I used to think this. But im leaning more towards she was in denial and/or shock over what she was hearing. JMO
And I think her and BF started comparing notes and contextualizing what they heard.
and not hearing from the roommates all day they started to panic and made the call they reportedly did. MOO.
My theory only. Not suggesting or implying anything beyond my theory.
Yep. This is what I mean by Blum spreading misinformation or even disinformation when some choose to believe his spurious writings as fact. JMOBBM
Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger found through matching DNA, phone records, video footage
A surviving roommate home at the time of the murders said she saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask covering his mouth, a document released Thursday states.
"OFC Smith and I entered the King Road Residence through the bottom floor door on the north side of the building. OFC Smith and I then walked upstairs to the second floor. OFC Smith directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned (through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in the room) was Xana Kernodle's, hereafter "Kernodle" room. Just before this room there was a bathroom door on the south wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon.
Also in the room was a male, later identified as Ethan Chapin, hereafter, "Chapin".
Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined..."
So, Ethan is described as being in a room. He's not in a hallway (the one outside Xana's), nor is he in the space outside DM's room. If we ignore the word "also" and he's not in Xana's room, the only rooms we have left are the kitchen and the living room. I've seen nothing anywhere that would hint at him being in the kitchen. If he fell in the living room, DM would have walked past/seen him while on the way to the stairs to go down to the 1st floor where BF was.
And if he was attacked outside DM's door but crawled back to Xana's somehow--where is the blood trail? Did the murderer stop, grab a towel, and wipe up the trail behind Ethan after he collapsed? That doesn't fit with the timeline. We also don't have DM reporting hearing 185 lb Ethan crashing to the floor near her door. And clearly--if she looked out the door and saw the killer, wouldn't she have seen Ethan on the floor there?
Officer Payne talks about seeing Xana's body first as he walks down the hall to her room, then he mentions seeing Ethan in the room second. Pretty sure if Ethan was anywhere in that hall up to Xana's room, he would have mentioned Ethan as the body he sees first.
Incorrect facts in the PCA are along the lines of typos of road names/misattributing them to ID vs WA. Not putting a body in a completely wrong room. There are no word games here that can be worked around later, unlike the Dylan "originally went to sleep in her bedroom"....that if matched with police statements from the time could also be inferred to have another meaning of "and then she later went and slept in BF's room." Ethan is described as being in the same room as Xana.
It's a no brainer to me. You have Blum, then you have an official arrest document, the result of an investigation where there is no evidence to suppose it was anything but thorough and competent.moo
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yeh, one is sworn to law, the other can tell lies and have opinions and not be held accountable.
I'm wondering if LE chose to mislead about where EC was found for investigative purposes? So, IMO this information could go either way. I do think that if it was XK who said "There's someone here!" to EC, then it would make sense that he would leave their bedroom to investigate as opposed to shutting and locking the bedroom door. Just another thing that we're going to have to wait until the trial to find out which scenario is correct unfortunately.
JMO.
@Balthazar Good catch. TYVM for noting it.
Wondering if ME actually spoke w Blum, and if so, if ME used the "arcing bow" phrase, or whether Blum may have used a bit of literary license.
Specifically.
Per Blum, med examiner said:
"... a single arcing blow sliced through Chapin's neck, catching the jugular..."
Is ^ in Autopsy Report? we don't know yet, but assuming it is---
How did ME make "arcing bow" finding?
Solely from the body? Or by also reviewing blood pattern in crime scene photos? Or?
I think about "arcing bow" as being a vertical mivement, but movie & tv (yes, I know) show a horizontal movement to slice the jugular vein.
I'm trying to visualize this "arcing blow."
Attacker & victim both standing? Or only attacker?
Attacker w knife in hand,
Entire arm fully extended? Overhead? shoulder high?
Knife in hand, held how?
Okay, we'll learn more at trial, including answer to @Balthazar 's question about where Chapin was found.
And we'll see about basis for Blum's stmt about convo w ME.
I don’t understand why the room mates that heard things did not call 911 sooner.
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