4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[girlhasnoname]

I have an alternate (and unpopular) theory that he wiped the sheath down very well before the murders handling it only with his gloves afterward on that early morning. I believe he intentionally left it there as a "signature' as well as to try to suggest to the police that it was a military person who did it.

However, he missed the inside of the female snap area and his DNA was on there.

I could be 100% wrong. He could have dropped it in the dark room and felt around to find it and having just killed 2 girls instead of 1, but gave up and cut his losses and decided to go downstairs and leave it there since he thought there was no DNA on it anyway.

On the other hand, the sheath was on the bed and if he dropped it from his left hand it would be on the bed. If it was in his pocket it could have gone on the bed or in the floor.

I go back and forth on this... but I lean towards him wanting to be like a Zodiac killer that left clues and signatures but never gets caught.. to make it a legend over time.

My 1 cent's worth....

I go back and forth with this idea often myself. He's so arrogant I believe BK quite capable of leaving it on purpose.

The smartest guy in any room in his mind, except now we can say jail cell. Hah

 

[maskedwoman]

I have an alternate (and unpopular) theory that he wiped the sheath down very well before the murders handling it only with his gloves afterward on that early morning. I believe he intentionally left it there as a "signature' as well as to try to suggest to the police that it was a military person who did it.

However, he missed the inside of the female snap area and his DNA was on there.

I could be 100% wrong. He could have dropped it in the dark room and felt around to find it and having just killed 2 girls instead of 1, but gave up and cut his losses and decided to go downstairs and leave it there since he thought there was no DNA on it anyway.

On the other hand, the sheath was on the bed and if he dropped it from his left hand it would be on the bed. If it was in his pocket it could have gone on the bed or in the floor.

I go back and forth on this subject... because the forgotten sheath is really the reason he got caught in the first place. Major blunder.

But I lean towards him wanting to be like a the Zodiac Killer that left clues and signatures on purpose but never got caught.. to make it a legend over time. He was absolutely fascinated with serial killers and probably wanted to be one. What better way to make a murder mystery than to leave knife sheaths at every crime scene. He becomes a serial killer to be known as the Knife Sheath Murderer.

Just my 1 cent's worth....

I've finally decided that, so much is yet to be revealed, none of can be sure what theory is right or wrong. The only thing I'm confident of at this point is that we're probably due for some pretty decent "holy cow" moments during the trial.

 

[Kemug]

But I lean towards him wanting to be like a the Zodiac Killer that left clues and signatures on purpose but never got caught.. to make it a legend over time. He was absolutely fascinated with serial killers and probably wanted to be one. What better way to make a murder mystery than to leave knife sheaths at every crime scene. He becomes a serial killer to be known as the Knife Sheath Murderer.

Just my 1 cent's worth....

I agree with you. I don't feel that being an absolutely anonymous killer was his plan. His plan was to become a famous serial killer, and spend his life gloating over the stupidity of everyone else.

 

[Curiousobserver]

He definitely came prepared that night and had put considerable thought into this crime- he was able to remove what must have been blood soaked clothing and shoes, clean off his hands, and dispose of all of that without leaving a single trace in his car.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

He definitely came prepared that night and had put considerable thought into this crime- he was able to remove what must have been blood soaked clothing and shoes, clean off his hands, and dispose of all of that without leaving a single trace in his car.

Think this is spot on. Maybe BK now spends hours and hours asking…… ‘how did I miss that part of the snap’?

And since it seems the sheath was heavily cleaned, that tends to IMO support a theory that it was intended to be left? MOO

 

[Betty P]

I've finally decided that, so much is yet to be revealed, none of can be sure what theory is right or wrong. The only thing I'm confident of at this point is that we're probably due for some pretty decent "holy cow" moments during the trial.

I agree. The prosecution is handling this the best way possible by keeping details out of the news media for now. It's such a horrible, sensational case with so much media coverage. If details were made public, the defense would have distorted all the evidence as they played out their side of the story.

Agree, there may be some "holy cow" moments during trial that defense will have to explain.

 

[Boxer]

I just have to get this off my chest..

What an amateur move, to leave the sheath of the knife with DNA on it at the crime scene. I think he thought he was going to be some kind of serial killer mastermind because of his education, and he couldn't even remember to take all his evidence with him.

It's probably impossible for him to feel any guilt or empathy for his victims, but I hope his failure to pull of the murders eats at him every day.

MOO its more than just amateur, which it is. Its the move of poser.
Them coveralls look so good and tactical in the bathroom mirror, but anyone who has actually worked in coveralls knows NOTHING longer than it is wide stays in the pockets if you have to really exert yourself.

 

[PinkParis2052]

• 05/05/2024 Defendants 16th Supplemental Request for Discovery

ETA: the date is a mistake on the Cases page, this is dated 8/5/24

It's been corrected. Finally.

 

[Betty P]

MOO its more than just amateur, which it is. Its the move of poser.
Them coveralls look so good and tactical in the bathroom mirror, but anyone who has actually worked in coveralls knows NOTHING longer than it is wide stays in the pockets if you have to really exert yourself.

Thank you. Didn't know that, its very helpful information. It explains so much. I couldn't understand why he was taking the knife out of the sheath, then laying it somewhere.

 

[katydid23]

This is what I am perplexed over.

As soon as he wraps up the knife he should have noticed the sheath was gone. Wouldn't most people put their knife back in the sheath?

And it seems like BK would have planned to put the knife in the sheath and then wrapped them up together and then planned to bury them together in the woods. Got rid of them together somewhere outside.

A sheath would float if it loses the knife, so do clothes, plastic sheeting, shoes, gloves, masks, etc....

This is why I think he had a very deep pre-dug hole ready and dug it on one of his 11 night trips to Moscow. This could be why he was driving all over the place down country roads after he left King Rd.

Maybe he took his phone to use his GPS to locate the exact location of a pre-dug hole. Hard to find in the dark fog.

2 Cents

Maybe that is what he was doing in that remote park, instead of stargazing in the ice storm.

It might be pretty hard ground though to try and dig a deep hole in, during winter. The ground is frozen.

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe that is what he was doing in that remote park, instead of stargazing in the ice storm.

It might be pretty hard ground though to try and dig a deep hole in, during winter. The ground is frozen.

Could have dug it before ground froze.

I can think of 3 ways to get rid of all that evidence. One is to burn all the items that can be burned. I do not believe he did this because of the attention it would draw.

Two is to throw them in a body of water but most items would float, even weighted down the river could free some items.

Three is to bury the items and this makes the most sense to me. He even admits to driving 40 minutes west of Moscow and south of Pullman and he seems to have driven on obscure country roads that night. And he admits getting out of his car out in the country walking and running and watching animals, the sky, landscapes, whatever. Admits going to a rural state park and wasn't his car by the river? He might as well admit he was looking for a place to bury evidence.

Possible Evidence:

Knife
Shoes
Shoe covers
Socks
Gloves - regular and disposable
Mask
Pants - possibly coveralls
Shirt
Hat
Coat if he was wearing one
Plastic to cover his car
Flashlight
Rags
Towels - regular and paper
Trash bags
Shovel
Duct tape
Tools
Maps
Compass
Water jugs
His shower curtain is missing and it would be odd if he never had one and odd to take a shower curtain to Pennsylvania.

2 Cents

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Could have dug it before ground froze.

I can think of 3 ways to get rid of all that evidence. One is to burn all the items that can be burned. I do not believe he did this because of the attention it would draw.

Two is to throw them in a body of water but most items would float, even weighted down the river could free some items.

Three is to bury the items and this makes the most sense to me. He even admits to driving 40 minutes west of Moscow and south of Pullman and he seems to have driven on obscure country roads that night. And he admits getting out of his car out in the country walking and running and watching animals, the sky, landscapes, whatever. Admits going to a rural state park and wasn't his car by the river? He might as well admit he was looking for a place to bury evidence.

Possible Evidence:

Knife
Shoes
Shoe covers
Socks
Gloves - regular and disposable
Mask
Pants - possibly coveralls
Shirt
Hat
Coat if he was wearing one
Plastic to cover his car
Flashlight
Rags
Towels - regular and paper
Trash bags
Shovel
Duct tape
Tools
Maps
Compass
Water jugs
His shower curtain is missing and it would be odd if he never had one and odd to take a shower curtain to Pennsylvania.

2 Cents

This is what I've thought all along. Lots of missing time there. But I thought he'd have had a hole dug in a remote area much earlier. In fact, I've read articles where people will dig a hole and put a piece of PVC pipe (with the end cover) in the ground to bury stuff, cover the open end of pipe with the end piece of PVC, and cover with dirt. When they want the item again they can easily dig it back up. I thought he could have done this with the knife and any tokens of the crime he took. Of course, one big hole could be done, too. I wonder of LE looked for areas freshly dug with/without metal detectors. MOO.

 

[whiterhino]

This is what I've thought all along. Lots of missing time there. But I thought he'd have had a hole dug in a remote area much earlier. In fact, I've read articles where people will dig a hole and put a piece of PVC pipe (with the end cover) in the ground to bury stuff, cover the open end of pipe with the end piece of PVC, and cover with dirt. When they want the item again they can easily dig it back up. I thought he could have done this with the knife and any tokens of the crime he took. Of course, one big hole could be done, too. I wonder of LE looked for areas freshly dug with/without metal detectors. MOO.

This sounds very Israel Keyes. JMO!

 

[Megnut]

No reason to go to any effort. Drive around remote residential neighborhoods in search of curbed trash bins.

Add his to theirs, a skill we know he has), midnight offering -- ahem, 4 am habit -- and the municipal garbage collectors will make it disappear by midmorning (well, Monday's). Magic carpet ride to a landfill.

Might have taken the time to separate it into multiple parcels, as we know he can.

I wonder if his lost miles correspond with a search for and success in finding trash bins or dumpsters matched to his timing and liking.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

No reason to go to any effort. Drive around remote residential neighborhoods in search of curbed trash bins.

Add his to theirs, a skill we know he has), midnight offering -- ahem, 4 am habit -- and the municipal garbage collectors will make it disappear by midmorning (well, Monday's). Magic carpet ride to a landfill.

Might have taken the time to separate it into multiple parcels, as we know he can.

I wonder if his lost miles correspond with a search for and success in finding trash bins or dumpsters matched to his timing and liking.

JMO

Dumpsters near businesses used to be the disposal site of choice until the increased use of inexpensive security cameras. It's more risky these days (ask Samuel Haskell). If he chose dumping, it seems more likely he would use residential trash cans.

 

[Gemmie]

Dumpsters near businesses used to be the disposal site of choice until the increased use of inexpensive security cameras. It's more risky these days (ask Samuel Haskell). If he chose dumping, it seems more likely he would use residential trash cans.

... while wearing latex gloves and putting all the things he wants to dispose of into Ziplock bags.

JMO.

 

[Boxer]

Maybe that is what he was doing in that remote park, instead of stargazing in the ice storm.

It might be pretty hard ground though to try and dig a deep hole in, during winter. The ground is frozen.

The Columbia is a huge river.

AFAIK they seemed to have dropped the Wawawai Park alibi.
Probably BK told AT he often liked to go there, but then she found out Wawawai is the place where the body of a murder victim, a coed from WSU, was found and suspected to be Ted Bundy's first murder.

 

[Cool Cats]

This is what I've thought all along. Lots of missing time there. But I thought he'd have had a hole dug in a remote area much earlier. In fact, I've read articles where people will dig a hole and put a piece of PVC pipe (with the end cover) in the ground to bury stuff, cover the open end of pipe with the end piece of PVC, and cover with dirt. When they want the item again they can easily dig it back up. I thought he could have done this with the knife and any tokens of the crime he took. Of course, one big hole could be done, too. I wonder of LE looked for areas freshly dug with/without metal detectors. MOO.

LE always uses metal detectors and dive teams and dogs. They have equipment to dig up soil and debris and tools to retrieve items from water. They look for fire pits.

This is how it was on a murder case I followed with 4 murder defendants and lots of property searches.

2 Cents

 

[Cool Cats]

No reason to go to any effort. Drive around remote residential neighborhoods in search of curbed trash bins.

Add his to theirs, a skill we know he has), midnight offering -- ahem, 4 am habit -- and the municipal garbage collectors will make it disappear by midmorning (well, Monday's). Magic carpet ride to a landfill.

Might have taken the time to separate it into multiple parcels, as we know he can.

I wonder if his lost miles correspond with a search for and success in finding trash bins or dumpsters matched to his timing and liking.

JMO

Doorbell cams and trail cams and security cams and no one picks up trash on Sunday mornings usually.

Trash goes to road night before or morning of trash pick up. Too risky, unknown variables.

But this is an interesting idea used by some killers.

2 Cents

 

[ReadySet]

The Columbia is a huge river.

AFAIK they seemed to have dropped the Wawawai Park alibi.
Probably BK told AT he often liked to go there, but then she found out Wawawai is the place where the body of a murder victim, a coed from WSU, was found and suspected to be Ted Bundy's first murder.

Just for the sake of accuracy, it's the Snake River.