4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[jepop]

According to SR testimony: He retired from LE (20 years service) in May 2014 and started the company ZetX.
He has testified as an expert since retiring from LE.

54:20

US v Reynolds

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From testimony since then, we know the federal grand jury in 2023 was looking (warrants) at other suspects per the D in the Motion to Compel hearing. One ATT warrant with real time tracking was for "someone else" in Spring 2023 per AJ in the same hearing.

When M Baker was querried about this, he said it was not a mistake and that he had receipts (in the comment section of the article he posted).

JMO

Could you link with time stamp to where Defense mentioned this federal grand jury stuff and any other official docs ( you write warrants?). It's not ringing any bells for me but have not watched the entire latest MTC hearing if that is your only ref to support your opinion that there are existing suspects in addition to the arrested one ie BK. It's the first I'm hearing about it and I have my doubts it will come to anything if it is even accurate. You say Spring 2023? Moo

 

[dkaras]

The post you're replying to wasn't about different years of similar looking cars of the same make. It was about an entirely different car - Sentra vs Elantra, along with the years. And that isn't really how it happened. Had they said "some white car that maybe looks like this," then it might not be as big a deal. But instead, they definitively came out and said "we're looking for THIS car, please let us know if you see it." They were pretty confident only until they found out BK didn't drive that particular car.

RSBBM

The two cars look pretty similar to each other, coming from a person (me ) who doesn't know much about cars. I found some images on Kelley Blue Book.

Also, the NYT article also says (BBM) "But further scrutiny of the video footage produced more clarity, and on Nov. 25 the police in Moscow asked law enforcement agencies to look for a different type of car with a similar shape: white Hyundai Elantras from the model years 2011 to 2013." ... "Just across the state border, at Washington State University, campus police officers began looking through their records for Elantras registered there. Among those they found was one registered to Mr. Kohberger...". And they go on to say the year of BK's car was 2015, not 2011-2013. To me, the article implies that the further scrutiny led them to look at the Hyundai Elantras instead of the Nissan Sentras (which are similar-looking vehicles especially in a grainy video, IMO), which led them to BK. Not the other way around. Although it seems parallel investigations were occurring as well. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something, what could have led them to BK prior to Nov. 25? When did the geneology results come back (the article says "by December 19", but of course that could mean anytime before!)? IMO It was pretty clear that LE was on to BK during his trip to PA.

My main point I guess is that I don't understand why it matters NOW, what would it change wrt the charges or other evidence against BK? If they started "looking at" BK for whatever reason and he drove a Little Red Corvette, and they changed the BOLO to "look for a Little Red Corvette now, not a white Nissan Sentra"...THAT could show bias.

Article for reference: Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer (Published 2023)

Pictures of 2015 Sentra and Elantra from Kelley Blue Book:

 

[Nila Aella]

Could you link with time stamp to where Defense mentioned this federal grand jury stuff and any other official docs ( you write warrants?). It's not ringing any bells for me but have not watched the entire latest MTC hearing if that is your only ref to support your opinion that there are existing suspects in addition to the arrested one ie BK. It's the first I'm hearing about it and I have my doubts it will come to anything if it is even accurate. You say Spring 2023? Moo

You are right! TY
Federal Grand Jury Subpoenas, not warrants.
Spring 2023 ATT warrant: advanced timing records not for BK

2:11:39
Federal Grand Jury Subpoenas

I did not transcribe below, just notes: She says more.

Well into late 2023 subpoenas related to the victims.
The D does not know why these were subpoenas and not warrants.
Is that because they are pursuing the alternate suspects that exist in this case. There are several sets of cell phone records produced.
Different phone numbers from different providers.
Phone numbers the D has to figure out who they belong to.

3:15:30
ATT advanced timing records

AJ: ATT advanced timing records. These are not related to BK. Related to other records done later for other phones.

ATT 4/13/2023
For the time period of: June 23, 2022, to August 1, 2022
AT&T Wirelus Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
AT&TWireless Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
To include both Historical Records and Real Time/Provisional Records

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/053123+Order+to+Seal++Redact+-+ATT.pdf

It isn't my opinion. It is what was said in the hearing by the attorneys.
They mentioned subpoenas late into 2023 related to the victims, Phone records from numbers with different providers. The D mentions the alternate suspects that exist in this case. AT asked BP about advanced timing records from ATT during questioning (sorry no time stamp). AJ mentioned them not being for BK. That LE does not have advanced timing records related to BK (3:14:54).

JMO

edited a sentence for clarity
edit: changed folks to phones

 

[Boxer]

The post you're replying to wasn't about different years of similar looking cars of the same make. It was about an entirely different car - Sentra vs Elantra, along with the years. And that isn't really how it happened. Had they said "some white car that maybe looks like this," then it might not be as big a deal. But instead, they definitively came out and said "we're looking for THIS car, please let us know if you see it." They were pretty confident only until they found out BK didn't drive that particular car.

A competent defense attorney is going to bring up anything that sheds light on how law enforcement came to arrest her client and whether there was any bias involved. Knowing the name of the suspect and make and model of his car PRIOR to changing what kind of car you're looking for does leave the door open for an argument of bias. Why would a defense attorney NOT use it? I think it would be malpractice for AT not to bring this up. It's a crucial part of the case law enforcement built against BK and the timing of when they changed their opinion of the car is important.

MOO

More videos come in. More analysis done.

 

[jepop]

You are right! TY
Federal Grand Jury Subpoenas, not warrants.
Spring 2023 ATT warrant: advanced timing records not for BK

2:11:39
Federal Grand Jury Subpoenas

I did not transcribe below, just notes: She says more.

Well into late 2023 subpoenas related to the victims.
The D does not know why these were subpoenas and not warrants.
Is that because they are pursuing the alternate suspects that exist in this case. There are several sets of cell phone records produced.
Different phone numbers from different providers.
Phone numbers the D has to figure out who they belong to.

3:15:30
ATT advanced timing records

AJ: ATT advanced timing records. These are not related to BK. Related to other records done later for other phones.

ATT 4/13/2023
For the time period of: June 23, 2022, to August 1, 2022
AT&T Wirelus Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
AT&TWireless Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
To include both Historical Records and Real Time/Provisional Records

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/053123+Order+to+Seal++Redact+-+ATT.pdf

It isn't my opinion. It is what was said in the hearing by the attorneys.
They mentioned subpoenas late into 2023 related to the victims, Phone records from numbers with different providers. The D mentions the alternate suspects that exist in this case. AT asked BP about advanced timing records from ATT during questioning (sorry no time stamp). AJ mentioned them not being for BK. That LE does not have advanced timing records related to BK (3:14:54).

JMO

edited a sentence for clarity
edit: changed folks to phones

Thanks. Am familiar with the warrants you mention but will watch at where you have time stamped when have time. Fed grand jury supeonas am unfamiliar with.

In any event you seem to be saying At asked a question re "is it because they are pursuing other suspects in case?" Which is not confirmation that "they" are imo. I will listen for.myself though. AJ is Ashley Jennings right? Who is BP?
Séems asking that is just her being a defense attorney
Redavted warrants are open to interpretation and so is what is said at hearings where the actual facts of the case are being kept from the public until trial. Moo. I would say is far from factual that the warrants and mentions of Fed grand jury supeonas point to LE and/or the prosecutor's pursuing "alternate suspects" last year. That's just a conjecture moo.

 

[Nila Aella]

How many white sedans are driving all over at 4:00 am and on top of that with no front license plate? BK admits he was driving around at 4:00 am in a car that looks like the car on video and his car has no front license plate.


2 Cents

RSFF
I count 5 (not including the LEO car) other white sedans driving that morning.
4 in the neighborhood and one on Highway 8.
JMO

Thanks. Am familiar with the warrants you mention but will watch at where you have time stamped when have time. Fed grand jury supeonas am unfamiliar with.

In any event you seem to be saying At asked a question re "is it because they are pursuing other suspects in case?" Which is not confirmation that "they" are imo. I will listen for.myself though. AJ is Ashley Jennings right? Who is BP?
Séems asking that is just her being a defense attorney
Redavted warrants are open to interpretation and so is what is said at hearings where the actual facts of the case are being kept from the public until trial. Moo. I would say is far from factual that the warrants and mentions of Fed grand jury supeonas point to LE and/or the prosecutor's pursuing "alternate suspects" last year. That's just a conjecture moo.

It was Massoth asking about the alternate suspects that exist in this case, subpoenas relating to the victims and phone records involving different providers.
FGJ subpoenas: Massouth mentioned 50, but AJ mentioned 71.
Totally agree, not confirmation.
BP is the lead investigator.
Just being a D attorney? Possible.
True that redaction/NDO make it difficult for the public to interpret.
The D has seen the discovery. IMO the D looked up those numbers on the subpoenas they did receive. The D would also know who the alternate suspects were that exist in this case. JMO
It also seemed to me that the D thought the Spring ATT warrant with advanced timing reports was for their client until AJ mentioned they were not. AJ did mention that the P would be handing that warrant over to the D.
JMO

 

[sunshineray]

RSBBM

The two cars look pretty similar to each other, coming from a person (me ) who doesn't know much about cars. I found some images on Kelley Blue Book.

Also, the NYT article also says (BBM) "But further scrutiny of the video footage produced more clarity, and on Nov. 25 the police in Moscow asked law enforcement agencies to look for a different type of car with a similar shape: white Hyundai Elantras from the model years 2011 to 2013." ... "Just across the state border, at Washington State University, campus police officers began looking through their records for Elantras registered there. Among those they found was one registered to Mr. Kohberger...". And they go on to say the year of BK's car was 2015, not 2011-2013. To me, the article implies that the further scrutiny led them to look at the Hyundai Elantras instead of the Nissan Sentras (which are similar-looking vehicles especially in a grainy video, IMO), which led them to BK. Not the other way around. Although it seems parallel investigations were occurring as well. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something, what could have led them to BK prior to Nov. 25? When did the geneology results come back (the article says "by December 19", but of course that could mean anytime before!)? IMO It was pretty clear that LE was on to BK during his trip to PA.

My main point I guess is that I don't understand why it matters NOW, what would it change wrt the charges or other evidence against BK? If they started "looking at" BK for whatever reason and he drove a Little Red Corvette, and they changed the BOLO to "look for a Little Red Corvette now, not a white Nissan Sentra"...THAT could show bias.

Article for reference: Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer (Published 2023)

Pictures of 2015 Sentra and Elantra from Kelley Blue Book:

They don't look very simular to me, the differences in the headlights and side molding is very different, very noticable. MO

 

[GRT]

From what I can find Sy Ray who is a former police detective has testified for the state hundreds of times and this is the first time he has ever testified for the defense that I can find. IMO that speaks volumes that this is literally the first and ONLY time Sy Ray has ever testified for the defense.

MOO

Sy Ray testified earlier this year in the trial of Christopher Clements, who was charged with kidnapping and killing a child in NM. It sounds as though Ray's software and testimony were one of the very few pieces of evidence the prosecution had in that case...

With no DNA evidence to prove Christopher Clements was in Isabel Celis's home, cell phone tracking has been one of the rare pieces of scientific evidence in this case. Prosecutors brought in a cell tracking expert who created and sold a program called Trax. Sy Ray testified his program showed on the night Isabel Celis disappeared cell tracking showed Clements's phone connected to a cell tower in the area of Avra Valley and Trico Roads—the place where Isabel Celis's body was found.

I know there was a Colorado judge who did not allow Sy's cell tracking software data, but that's the only time I heard that it was negatively received. It seems that the court has embraced it the rest of the time. And that's what worries me (among other things in this case). Sy is saying what he's seeing now—from the cell data—is exculpatory. That's his word.

I'd like to know why he feels that way. Denigrating the man is not going to work. He has a good track record. I've long thought BK might have hidden his phone somewhere away from the murder house and then returned to pick it up later. But now I'm wondering if the phone was moving and that's what Sy is picking up on.