7.0 Earthquake Hits Haiti Hospital Collapses

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Songline....I personally don't think "God" has a thing to do with any of this...I am more of the philosophy that "shizit happens"..

I am Catholic (or semi Catholic LOL)...but my OWN thoughts are much in line with the rabbi who wrote "When Bad Things Happen to Good People".....I have long subscribed to his ideas, and sent his books to those who are suffering or grieving

My ONLY way to "understand" is that God doesn't "make" bad stuff happen...I don't think "He" did this...if he did I would want NO part of such a "cruel" God..

I don't think God made Casey kill Caylee or caused the earthquake

I don't think praying to God to "stop" these things does any good...I think God is as powerless in some things as we are

but I think that Praying to God for strength does help

will God move the concrete off Rich at the Hotel Montana?? No...
nor will he make my numbers hit in the lottery

but maybe God can give those workers strength to keep digging....give Rich comfort...
give his daughters strength and healing and peace...

~~~~~~

as a sidenote...I spoke with a friend of mine yesterday who cruises all the time...her remarks were that "I have been to Haiti several times and it seemed fine, just like any other island, the beach was nice, the locals seemed ok, they had lots of crafts and a steel band"....LOL LOL

I tried to explain she had been to the sanitized private RCI resort of Labadee...but no she assures me she was "in Haiti"....and has the fridge magnet to prove it. HER theory is an interesting one....some conspiracy by the illegal immigrants here in S Florida to get welfare and food stamps

I guess some blame God...she seems to think these poor people here had enough power to "orchestrate" a quake LOL>> go figure

I guess many believe in different things. LOL I do not believe we can pray for natural cataclysms.
But I do believe that much is ordained by God.
I did not read that book but have seen it many times, looks interesting.
I also believe that group consciousness can create things too. Just as I believe in the power
of the mind for myself, I believe in the power of group consciousness.
Having said that - It does not translate to them creating this.
But that is another topic that would hijack this thread.
 
Just rec'd a Twitter update...another 4.9 "aftershock"...and the another. :(
12:29 p.m. -- The USGS confirms a magnitude 4.8 aftershock occurred nine minutes after the magnitude 4.9 at 11:45 a.m. and 15 miles closer to the capital.

12:14 p.m. -- Twitter users in the Port-au-Prince area report multiple small aftershocks.

11:45 a.m. -- An aftershock shook the capital. The U.S. Geological Survey estimated its magnitude at 4.9 and located its epicenter 30 miles west of Port-au-Prince.


God, help the people of Haiti in this time of unimaginable suffering and horror...

REALLY SCARRY...And "aftershocks"...can go on for up to one year :(
 
There are some Countries where there is no news at all. ;)
here we get to choose, Some don't open their TV all day long, some do, some don't buy the paper, some do.
When there is not much to report they don't want us to focus on the economy so they do some overkill with select cases. :D
Human Catastrophe is NOT such a case. You are right this thread is about caring.

bbm - caring and truth. I am beginning to wonder what the hold up is getting antibiodics and pain medicine in particular to the wounded along with fresh gloves, saline and generators, etc. There are many singular helps situations. many of which we don't hear about I'm sure. But why can't those much needed medical supplies get to the places AC and SG have pointed out? I'm very interested to know the answer - it's perplexing indeed. The people manning the airport/supplies are not sitting around watching CNN though and I'm certain they're not trying to sabotage the effort to help the people. What gives? Those overworked, frustrated Doctors and Nurses too - my heart goes out to them.

songline, thanks for the hug earlier - I appreciate it. Backatcha.
 
bbm - caring and truth. I am beginning to wonder what the hold up is getting antibiodics and pain medicine in particular to the wounded along with fresh gloves, saline and generators, etc. There are many singular helps situations. many of which we don't hear about I'm sure. But why can't those much needed medical supplies get to the places AC and SG have pointed out? I'm very interested to know the answer - it's perplexing indeed. The people manning the airport/supplies are not sitting around watching CNN though and I'm certain they're not trying to sabatoge the effort to help the people. What gives? Those overworked, frustrated Doctors and Nurses too - my heart goes out to them.

songline, thanks for the hug earlier - I appreciate it. Backatcha. :)

TRUTH is hard to come by unfortunately. :( and there are so many groups there that are not getting credit for all they do. I say this because media is only in a few places, not all places.

We do see the efforts made by the world. We cant really know of all the hardships of this huge catastrophe, because we are blessed to be here.
I would love to believe that whatever they can do is being done, so much medicine did go there, so many helping hands went too. What good is all that if the meds are there and hidden :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
the airport is watched and is mandated by the US; so I am sure the corruption of the Haitian Government is not happening.

Whenever there is pain and suffering nothing can happen fast enough :( that is the sad truth.
But I sure hope that they get pain killers, and antibiotics in a hurry to the needy, and that is something we can pray for. We cant change the aftershock dilemma, but we hopefully can save the living and move them and heal them.

PS: oh! :) I love to hug good people :)
 
After this earthquake, songline, I would not want to go anywhere that has earthquakes! Why people in Ca on fault line arent making plans to move after this is beyond me. It is a wake up call.
To lose everything you own in a matter of minutes at anytime? And Scientists, Geo Scientists are predicting a BIG one along that San Andreas Fault.
Even the poor girls from FL were only there a day and look what happend? 4 still missing:(
I would not go to Haiti if they rebuilt.
Earthquakes are too unpredictible. Scientists can study the area but even they cant predict WHEN. eeeks! Id rather face a Hurricane.

You have a point here. The only thing is we don't know from one minute to the next what might happen anywhere. I've had many fears builtup in my head at different times in my life. One of them was earthquakes for no particular reason. When my husband told me we were going to CA for 14 months in 1998/99, I panicked. The first thing I thought of was what if there's an earthquake when we're there! Oh boy did I enjoy CA. I made sure we travelled up and down the coast (Christmas two week vaca), took short trips to San Francisco, Half Moon Bay, etc. Enjoyed Carmel and Monterey and took in the joys of seeing snow brought into Pacific Grove with all the little kids playing and sledding down the hill. San Diego has near perfect weather and Coronado is interesting and beautiful. Mind you I hate driving on winding roads, hold my breath and can't look toward the edge. But when you stop, it's beautiful. The ocean is breathtaking and it's an image I use when I'm about to get a shot or undergo a test or something. It immediately calms me and lowers my blood pressure when I imagine sitting on a rock looking out over the ocean. If I had given in to my fears, I would not have had those experiences in my life.

One time, I had a last minute opportunity to go to San Antonio. Because it was so last minute and I was currently engaged in my fear of flying, I didn't go. I've not made it to San Antonio yet and I've been kicking myself ever since. What a doofus!
 
I am with you totally. I lived in LA in the late 1970's and experienced one that was mild in comparison...
I moved right back to NY...
But I think and I am not a Student of these Natural phenomenon, that after the earth settles which can
take up to a year it will be safe for many years to come. (not very sure about this).
Anyone jump in who knows better.
I think the one before this one was in the early 1800's

I too would never live in an area known for earth quakes. Me Chicken, not big chance taker...:no:

Yes, and people pay big bucks to live there too. :crazy:
Even if I wanted to live in CA, I couldn't afford to.
 
Yes, and people pay big bucks to live there too. :crazy:
Even if I wanted to live in CA, I couldn't afford to.
They do.. LOL but they have the big bucks to hire a privet Jet and get out of dodge too.
Me scaredy cat....
 
I am personally "ok" with people who state the truth...they don't want to help, they don't care about Haiti, they don't care about the quake....some people in South FL feel that way too....some feel that maybe "thinning the herd" there was a good and natural thing...etc

at least it is honest

I am more disturbed by people who seem to want to influence others to NOT help Haiti by 1) making it seem as if nothing is being done, or that it is a waste, inefficient, so why bother or 2) making it seem as if Haiti was just like any other tourist happy sunny island "No problem Mon"....and as if they somehow squandered the tourist bucks and should be able to take care of themselves

hey if you don't care..fine

I have to admit...when they have a quake or some other disaster in Iran or whatever I don't really spend much energy worrying about it or donating

to each their own

I just hate to see MISinformation spread , it feels like a backhand attempt to discourage others to donate. I see that happening around here a lot

I haven't had/gotten that feeling at all. I feel we are discussing the realities of the culture of Haiti, not whether or not to give. Honestly, I didn't understand the true meaning of your posts until you posted something similar to your post above a few pages back. Actually I kind of had the impression that you were pointing out the exact thing that you are saying upsets you - the why bother attitude.:waitasec:

It's been said many times that the people of Haiti have been victims of a corrupt government and yes, there's been much waste and misuse of funds, lack of education, unprotected sex (irresponsibility) and I guess malaise (is that fair?). I have not felt that many views here have protested helping the Haitian people though. :waitasec:
 
Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- Relief supplies were heading into Port-au-Prince, Haiti, from ships docked at a reopened pier Thursday, brought into the city on trucks traveling on a repaired gravel road leading from the port.
A Dutch Navy ship, the Pelikaan, was docked at the city's south pier Thursday, unloading 90 tons of humanitarian aid. Two other ships previously unloaded containers.
The reopened pier is older and smaller than the north pier, which was rendered unusable by the 7.0-magnitude earthquake that struck the Haitian capital January 12.
The south pier was damaged, but Haiti port authorities and the U.S. military were able to put it back in shape, although repairs continue. Workers also repaired the road leading into the city and laid gravel on it.
Unloading of aid, however, was a slow process. The road allows only for one-way traffic, meaning a truck drives to the end of the pier, is loaded with supplies, and then drives out. Also, because of concerns about overloading the pier, only one truck is allowed on it at a time.
Repairs on the pier continue, said U.S. Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Mark Gibbs. "We're working on it. We've got a long ways to go. ... If we lose this pier, that's it. We can't bring in anything."
However, the reopening of the pier and the repairing of the road represented a major development in efforts to get aid to earthquake victims, in that ships can carry much more cargo than air airplanes.
Authorities hope to get two-way traffic going on the pier by Friday, which would speed up the process.


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U.S. officials have been stung by criticism of aid efforts in recent days.

Some of that criticism has been leveled by aid groups such as Doctors Without Borders, who blamed five victims' deaths on delays, saying several flights carrying medical supplies had been diverted from the Port-au-Prince airport into the neighboring Dominican Republic.
Working under adverse conditions with limited supplies, medical teams have been forced to improvise.


Fraser said Thursday that 120 to 140 flights a day are coming into the single-runway Port-au-Prince airport, compared with 25 per day just after the quake struck last week. More than 840 have landed since the airport was reopened, but there is a waiting list of 1,400 to come in, he said.

Lt. Gen. P.K. Keen, the head of the U.S. military task force in Haiti, said any aircraft identified as carrying medical supplies would have priority for landing. They are turned away only "if there's no parking space on the ramp, and they don't have sufficient fuel to hold in their holding pattern," he said.
Another senior U.S. military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday that the priorities for aid flights are set "by the government of Haiti first and then by the U.N. second." But the number of flights that can land at Port-au-Prince is "a sheer issue of physics and geometry; you just can't get them all in there."
 
I haven't had/gotten that feeling at all. I feel we are discussing the realities of the culture of Haiti, not whether or not to give. Honestly, I didn't understand the true meaning of your posts until you posted something similar to your post above a few pages back. Actually I kind of had the impression that you were pointing out the exact thing that you are saying upsets you - the why bother attitude.:waitasec:

It's been said many times that the people of Haiti have been victims of a corrupt government and yes, there's been much waste and misuse of funds, lack of education, unprotected sex (irresponsibility) and I guess malaise (is that fair?). I have not felt that many views here have protested helping the Haitian people though. :waitasec:
You are correct not too many here have protested at all.

This crowed has been very simpatico. :)
 
Read left to right in order of estimated human casualties

1556 China - 1976 China - 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami - 1920 China - 1923 Japan - 1948 Turkmenistan - 2008 China - 2005 Pakistan - 1908 Italy - 1970 Peru


Top Five Areas at risk for earthquakes

Los Angeles, CA (had quakes in 1857 and 1994) San Andreas Fault

Tokyo, Japan (had quake in 1923). Has done a lot to improve infrastructure; buildings are built with the hope to withstand future quake. Dense population within small land area.

Tehran, Iran (had quake in 2003 in Bam) Poor infrastructure - quake would likely cause much damage to existing weakly built structures.

Cascadia also known as the Pacific Northwest (Oregon to South British Columbia) (had quake in 1700)

Indonesia "Ring of Fire" along the Pacific Ocean


They showed a map on TV last night of the regions within the US that could possibly be affected by an earthquake. The red areas were fewest in the areas we all know about. Then the yellow area covered most of the US and indicates areas of moderate risk. WI, the Dakotas and a few others weren't yellow but, it seems, much of the US could be affected by an earthquake some day. I'm familiar with tornados but haven't thought too much about earthquakes where I live. A few years ago there was a tremor though iirc. Yikes!
 
The airport is small....it had to be cleared off...
for the first days there were NO air traffic controllers (killed in quake? or could not get back to their post??)...

planes can't fly in without air traffic controllers...far too dangerous

planes need a clear runway...they are now landing 100 +a day...precise and one right after the other...no time to dilly dally from what I see

Melly just posted some important facts..thanks so much for that post Melly

Haiti basically had NO electricitiy (as we know it)...their small rinky dinky airport had NO night flights as the runways are not lit....so only day flights

getting gas in there....and vehicles moving (ones not damaged by quake)...clearing roads.....

it is a logistical nightmare
 
GREAT POST :clap::clap:

I too believe it is Gods way to thin out the worlds overpopulation.
But I also believe that those who survived need to be helped.
That is just me.

It is OK for people to be honest. But in My heart I can only rever caring people.
Having said that....If an earth quake was to happen in regions where the terrorists are abound,
I would turn a blind eye.

Are you saying the earthquake was God's way of thinning out the world's overpopulation? Or am I misunderstanding you?
 
The airport is small....it had to be cleared off...
for the first days there were NO air traffic controllers (killed in quake? or could not get back to their post??)...

planes can't fly in without air traffic controllers...far too dangerous

planes need a clear runway...they are now landing 100 +a day...precise and one right after the other...no time to dilly dally from what I see

Melly just posted some important facts..thanks so much for that post Melly

Haiti basically had NO electricitiy (as we know it)...their small rinky dinky airport had NO night flights as the runways are not lit....so only day flights

getting gas in there....and vehicles moving (ones not damaged by quake)...clearing roads.....

it is a logistical nightmare

Hmm.. CNN was able to get into the airport and get supplies. Makes you wonder.
 
Read left to right in order of estimated human casualties

1556 China - 1976 China - 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami - 1920 China - 1923 Japan - 1948 Turkmenistan - 2008 China - 2005 Pakistan - 1908 Italy - 1970 Peru


Top Five Areas at risk for earthquakes

Los Angeles, CA (had quakes in 1857 and 1994) San Andreas Fault

Tokyo, Japan (had quake in 1923). Has done a lot to improve infrastructure; buildings are built with the hope to withstand future quake. Dense population within small land area.

Tehran, Iran (had quake in 2003 in Bam) Poor infrastructure - quake would likely cause much damage to existing weakly built structures.

Cascadia also known as the Pacific Northwest (Oregon to South British Columbia) (had quake in 1700)

Indonesia "Ring of Fire" along the Pacific Ocean


They showed a map on TV last night of the regions within the US that could possibly be affected by an earthquake. The red areas were fewest in the areas we all know about. Then the yellow area covered most of the US and indicates areas of moderate risk. WI, the Dakotas and a few others weren't yellow but, it seems, much of the US could be affected by an earthquake some day. I'm familiar with tornados but haven't thought too much about earthquakes where I live. A few years ago there was a tremor though iirc. Yikes!

A lot of times people only think of earthquakes happening out west, that is here in the States. Sorry, geology fascinates me, but what most people don't realize is that the US has a very large fault line in the middle of the country called the New Madrid fault. The last time it ruptured was in 1812 and it was so big that it rang church bells in Boston and if I recall it also made the Mississippi River flow north for awhile. We have major cities that would be greatly affected if it were to become active again. Cities like St. Louis and Memphis did not think of this when they were growing so most of the buildings are not up to code and would collapse during the quake.

We also have the Yellowstone area that is very active with quakes due to the magma that is running underneath the land. Then of course we have the active areas where the tectonic plates meet.

Like I said before geology fascinates me and I love to study it.
 
Our hospitals in South Florida are starting to fill with injured people

they are bringing kids in too....

and help is going out

in the first aftermath there is no communication, the runway was not accessible...now things are starting to take shape...

God Bless these poor people

it does not look good for my friend Rich or the others from Lynn University

I read where one of the girls was so moved by her FIRST and only day in Haiti, just seeing the poverty...that she had told her classmates she was changing her major to social work....Britany Gengel..she is among the missing

that is a testimony to them....and I hope that others will follow their kind hearts and care about this poor country ...this is a disaster of epic proportions...and they need any help they can get, even if it is just prayers, well wishes and positive thoughts JMO

Tampa General is prepared to take some Haiti patients also:angel:
 
You have a point here. The only thing is we don't know from one minute to the next what might happen anywhere. I've had many fears builtup in my head at different times in my life. One of them was earthquakes for no particular reason. When my husband told me we were going to CA for 14 months in 1998/99, I panicked. The first thing I thought of was what if there's an earthquake when we're there! Oh boy did I enjoy CA. I made sure we travelled up and down the coast (Christmas two week vaca), took short trips to San Francisco, Half Moon Bay, etc. Enjoyed Carmel and Monterey and took in the joys of seeing snow brought into Pacific Grove with all the little kids playing and sledding down the hill. San Diego has near perfect weather and Coronado is interesting and beautiful. Mind you I hate driving on winding roads, hold my breath and can't look toward the edge. But when you stop, it's beautiful. The ocean is breathtaking and it's an image I use when I'm about to get a shot or undergo a test or something. It immediately calms me and lowers my blood pressure when I imagine sitting on a rock looking out over the ocean. If I had given in to my fears, I would not have had those experiences in my life.

One time, I had a last minute opportunity to go to San Antonio. Because it was so last minute and I was currently engaged in my fear of flying, I didn't go. I've not made it to San Antonio yet and I've been kicking myself ever since. What a doofus!

You are right. Ive seen pics of some of CA. sure is beautiful:)
I have a fear of flying, too I missed going to NYC because of it:(
My son went on a road trip to Austin, TX. He loved it, he said the people were so FRIENDLY. He couldnt get over it. But some of those over passes really gave him hee bee jee bees lol
 
Are you saying the earthquake was God's way of thinning out the world's overpopulation? Or am I misunderstanding you?
You did not misunderstand me. I did say that. I believe that Gods hand is in everything.
I don't always understand why, but I always trust that God has a reason.
I have a very sick brother and daughter I trust that God had a hand in that too.
I do not think it is a punishing God :no:. I think we just don't always understand the reason.:waitasec:
 

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