8/20 Ron takes plea, will testify in Haleighs trial

[OneLostGrl]

Unable to get on WS all day has effectively cooled me off...... a little. So, the next hand to play is Misty's then.... correct?

Silly girl shoulda played it a looooong time ago if she wanted outta trouble. imo

 

[kant]

what punishment is Ron enduring? being locked up on drug charges? which he shouldn't have doing ? while he should've been trying to find his daughter? Do you think he was suffering, while living & running with Misty? while road raging with Misty? I'm sorry, but I think Ron had put Haleigh behind him, had moved on, & was having fun. Having fun trafficking drugs, & snitching & eating pills. Those are the facts of what he was doing. But no, I don't guess he technically extended an invitation to someone to do those things to his daughter. but that is, IMO, small consolation.

Wow ... THIS. Testifying in favor of justice for a child would be a glaringly obvious given for other parents. Yikes,not only had he seemed to have indeed moved on, but he seemed quite put out with the whole subject of his daughter - as in... annoyed - annoyed at reporters' questions and their efforts to keep Haleigh's face in the media.

Other parents of missing kids vie, scrape, and beg for airtime and attention to their child's plight. Ron seemed genuinely irritated. (Someone please roll the tape of Ron outside the tatt parlor. If you havent seen it, it will bring up your lunch.) I know parents and other family members have to, and do, move on after tragedies as months and years go by, but we are talking about his attitude very shortly after Haleigh's disappearance.

Imo, it's been all about Ron and whatever is deemed to serve Ron's purposes (read that as "CHA"/ aka Cover His A_ _) since "day one" [TM Cindy Anthony] by his own actions in addition to the actions of his official "CHA" pit crew team leaders, namely TN and Sykes. This testifying business is no different, imo.

moo

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[Helplessly Hoping]

Unable to get on WS all day has effectively cooled me off...... a little. So, the next hand to play is Misty's then.... correct?

If you check the court date thread, Misty is NOW LAST. I am unsure as to how that happened.

 

[epiphany]

JW on JVM:

No, ToC did not help JO dispose; rode there w/him

 

[epiphany]

Levi: why didnt (ToC) tell them in Feb, Werter?
JW: It's actually Mr. Werter or Jim...

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by gibby207
Unable to get on WS all day has effectively cooled me off...... a little. So, the next hand to play is Misty's then.... correct?

DONNA BROCK sentencing date of Sept. 1

HANK T SR CROSLIN sentencing date of Sept. 9

RONALD CUMMINGS sentencing date of Sept. 24

MISTY CROSLIN sentencing date RESET TO OCT.04 @ 1:30 PM

 

[atherella]

But what is the plea deal for?? There is NO upcoming trial! There may NEVER be a trial! Who agreed to this garbage?? I really want to know! The DA?

Perhaps a grand jury will be convening soon? Perhaps we will be seeing charges brought soon? And a trial.

When KP was on JVM she said we would be seeing things heat up and start moving (paraphrasing). Not that I necessarily always agree with her, but I do think she is right in this instance.

 

[dodie20]

Ron and his lawyer aren't dumb. If Ron is willing to testify in a trial and it might help find his daughter, then he has something of value. If he has something of value, he would be stupid not to use it to help his own drug case. Ron is a pragmatist.

Why would this be hiding anything??

Let's put it this way, if you have money to purchase something at the grocery and you have a coupon for the product, would you not use the coupon? You want the product and would buy it in any case, but why not benefit from the added savings?

Obviously, not the exact same thing, but the same concept.

my way of thinking is that a dad should do right by his dead daughter, because he loved her, & he should man-up to his crimes & accept his punishment.I don't blame his lawyer or LE for doing their jobs, but Ron is a different story. It should have never gotten to the point of him playing games with coupons.

 

[cyberborg]

Perhaps a grand jury will be convening soon? Perhaps we will be seeing charges brought soon? And a trial.

When KP was on JVM she said we would be seeing things heat up and start moving (paraphrasing). Not that I necessarily always agree with her, but I do think she is right in this instance.

I agree. I am hoping that the revelation of Ron's plea deal for 'timeline' testimony is a ruse and cover for the fact that Ron has spilled the beans on Misty.

LE must have something tangible from Ron to offer the plea deal and lock it in IF there is a trial so, based on that I am thinking it enables charges and the chance of a trial. IMO.

 

[suspicious1]

Okkkkkkkk

So Ron is agreeing to testify in the Haleigh's case? And with this plea deal, they decided to knock off 2 of his charges? IMO, Ron is holding the cards right now. If Ron was directly involved in what happened to Haleigh, would the SAO give such a deal to him? I don't know how that works. But I'm thinking that they believe that Ron didn't have a hand in what happened to his daughter but he does know what happened to her...therefore, his timeline would be crucial. I am one who always believed that Ron had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. But now I'm not so sure. I absolutely believe that he knows what happened though. And if Ron has known all along what happened to Haleigh, IMO, he went into cover up mode for someone else. So who would Ron cover for? I don't think he would cover for any of the Croslins....IMO, Ron would only protect and cover for one of his own....another Cummings family member. Teresa Neves came out the gate a little too strong for me.

I know some may disagree with this and that's ok. But in my heart, if Ron didn't have a hand in the actual crime, then he knows who did and felt that he couldn't tell the truth either. Why?

It was said that Ron would testify about the timeline? What if Ron thinks his timeline will hurt Misty but in all reality, it's going to hurt someone else? Could this be a reason the SAO even agreed to this deal? Again, I don't know how that works. Remember Teresa's "you think she's gonna talk?" LE said one of the persons of interests would be a surprise to everyone. Whoever this "surprise" POI is, IMO, not someone that has been named in the media as to having something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. So IMO, it would be someone that didn't know they were being looked at.

The fact that I believe Ron knows the truth about what happened to his daughter, and now I believe that the SA feel the same but they may have evidence that supports Ron not being directly involved, Ron protected the truth from coming out too. Why? It makes me think about one of the questions that they asked Misty on one of those tests. It was something about whether or not Ron was involved and Misty answered with an absolute "NO". That answer showed that she was not too sure. So if Misty was 100% sure that Ron didn't have anything to do with it, Misty would've passed that question and vice versa. Now with this latest story from Misty and Tommy about Jo taking Haleigh.......Is Misty NOT sure of Ron's involvement in that????:waitasec: I think that story is BS and both Misty and Tommy knows this. IMO, Something is going on within the Cummings family and that's why Misty was NOT sure of Ron's involvement. But if Ron had no direct involvement, the only way that I can explain his behavior is if he was protecting someone real close to him. and not the Croslins.

JMO of course (for right now anyway)

What is Ron going to say? That's the million dollar question.

 

[dodie20]

Okkkkkkkk

So Ron is agreeing to testify in the Haleigh's case? And with this plea deal, they decided to knock off 2 of his charges? IMO, Ron is holding the cards right now. If Ron was directly involved in what happened to Haleigh, would the SAO give such a deal to him? I don't know how that works. But I'm thinking that they believe that Ron didn't have a hand in what happened to his daughter but he does know what happened to her...therefore, his timeline would be crucial. I am one who always believed that Ron had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. But now I'm not so sure. I absolutely believe that he knows what happened though. And if Ron has known all along what happened to Haleigh, IMO, he went into cover up mode for someone else. So who would Ron cover for? I don't think he would cover for any of the Croslins....IMO, Ron would only protect and cover for one of his own....another Cummings family member. Teresa Neves came out the gate a little too strong for me.

I know some may disagree with this and that's ok. But in my heart, if Ron didn't have a hand in the actual crime, then he knows who did and felt that he couldn't tell the truth either. Why?

It was said that Ron would testify about the timeline? What if Ron thinks his timeline will hurt Misty but in all reality, it's going to hurt someone else? Could this be a reason the SAO even agreed to this deal? Again, I don't know how that works. Remember Teresa's "you think she's gonna talk?" LE said one of the persons of interests would be a surprise to everyone. Whoever this "surprise" POI is, IMO, not someone that has been named in the media as to having something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. So IMO, it would be someone that didn't know they were being looked at.

The fact that I believe Ron knows the truth about what happened to his daughter, and now I believe that the SA feel the same but they may have evidence that supports Ron not being directly involved, Ron protected the truth from coming out too. Why? It makes me think about one of the questions that they asked Misty on one of those tests. It was something about whether or not Ron was involved and Misty answered with an absolute "NO". That answer showed that she was not too sure. So if Misty was 100% sure that Ron didn't have anything to do with it, Misty would've passed that question and vice versa. Now with this latest story from Misty and Tommy about Jo taking Haleigh.......Is Misty NOT sure of Ron's involvement in that????:waitasec: I think that story is BS and both Misty and Tommy knows this. IMO, Something is going on within the Cummings family and that's why Misty was NOT sure of Ron's involvement. But if Ron had no direct involvement, the only way that I can explain his behavior is if he was protecting someone real close to him. and not the Croslins.

JMO of course (for right now anyway)

What is Ron going to say? That's the million dollar question.

I've also thought about that test & question. But, if Ron was covering up for Misty or for some other reason, that might make Misty fail that question. Because she knew that he knew?

 

[kant]

Okkkkkkkk

So Ron is agreeing to testify in the Haleigh's case? And with this plea deal, they decided to knock off 2 of his charges? IMO, Ron is holding the cards right now. If Ron was directly involved in what happened to Haleigh, would the SAO give such a deal to him? I don't know how that works. But I'm thinking that they believe that Ron didn't have a hand in what happened to his daughter but he does know what happened to her...therefore, his timeline would be crucial. I am one who always believed that Ron had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. But now I'm not so sure. I absolutely believe that he knows what happened though. And if Ron has known all along what happened to Haleigh, IMO, he went into cover up mode for someone else. So who would Ron cover for? I don't think he would cover for any of the Croslins....IMO, Ron would only protect and cover for one of his own....another Cummings family member. Teresa Neves came out the gate a little too strong for me.

I know some may disagree with this and that's ok. But in my heart, if Ron didn't have a hand in the actual crime, then he knows who did and felt that he couldn't tell the truth either. Why?

It was said that Ron would testify about the timeline? What if Ron thinks his timeline will hurt Misty but in all reality, it's going to hurt someone else? Could this be a reason the SAO even agreed to this deal? Again, I don't know how that works. Remember Teresa's "you think she's gonna talk?" LE said one of the persons of interests would be a surprise to everyone. Whoever this "surprise" POI is, IMO, not someone that has been named in the media as to having something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. So IMO, it would be someone that didn't know they were being looked at.

The fact that I believe Ron knows the truth about what happened to his daughter, and now I believe that the SA feel the same but they may have evidence that supports Ron not being directly involved, Ron protected the truth from coming out too. Why? It makes me think about one of the questions that they asked Misty on one of those tests. It was something about whether or not Ron was involved and Misty answered with an absolute "NO". That answer showed that she was not too sure. So if Misty was 100% sure that Ron didn't have anything to do with it, Misty would've passed that question and vice versa. Now with this latest story from Misty and Tommy about Jo taking Haleigh.......Is Misty NOT sure of Ron's involvement in that????:waitasec: I think that story is BS and both Misty and Tommy knows this. IMO, Something is going on within the Cummings family and that's why Misty was NOT sure of Ron's involvement. But if Ron had no direct involvement, the only way that I can explain his behavior is if he was protecting someone real close to him. and not the Croslins.

JMO of course (for right now anyway)

What is Ron going to say? That's the million dollar question.

great post.

I wonder (does anyone know?) where obstruction of justice comes into play - if it does at all - in these situations? or is there immunity for that?

tia

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[suspicious1]

I've also thought about that test & question. But, if Ron was covering up for Misty or for some other reason, that might make Misty fail that question. Because she knew that he knew?

I don't know Dodie..I just don't see Ron covering for Misty. I don't see Ron putting any of the Croslins above his daughter. IMO, whatever went on with Haleigh is bigger than the Croslins.

I am just disgusted with the fact that Ron may have known what happened to Haleigh all this time....and said or did nothing. He didn't go after Jo, Misty or Tommy(although I still believe that the dead rat is related). Ron did not want the truth known. Why, if he was not directly involved?

I am too confused by this and Ron's plea deal.

JMO of course

 

[suspicious1]

great post.

I wonder (does anyone know?) where obstruction of justice comes into play - if it does at all - in these situations? or is there immunity for that?

tia

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Kant, that's what I want to know too. Does anyone know? I would think Ron could be charged with something for not coming forward sooner. IMO, he waited until his information about his daughter could benefit him the most.

Once Again....HE SACRIFICED HIS DAUGHTER FOR THE CAUSE. :furious:

:curses::curses::shakehead:

 

[azwriter]

I don't know Dodie..I just don't see Ron covering for Misty. I don't see Ron putting any of the Croslins above his daughter. IMO, whatever went on with Haleigh is bigger than the Croslins.

I am just disgusted with the fact that Ron may have known what happened to Haleigh all this time....and said or did nothing. He didn't go after Jo, Misty or Tommy(although I still believe that the dead rat is related). Ron did not want the truth known. Why, if he was not directly involved?

I am too confused by this and Ron's plea deal.

JMO of course

I'm so glad you've posted and asked the questions you have, suspicious1. Can I add that I believe Ron would cover for anyone who harmed his daughter, if that person had information about something illegal Ron had done.

Let's suppose Ron didn't have anything to do with his daughter's disappearance but he knew who did and what happened. But this person, could testify to the fact Ron was involved in a gun for drugs deal. Especially if it were a gun that was stolen or was illegal to own if it were not registered with the FEDs, such as a machine gun. I believe Ron would keep quiet and protect that person in order to keep that person quiet about his crimes.

I truly believe Ron Cummings would be the kind of person who would turn the other cheek in his daughter's death if it meant his serious illegal activities were covered up by the person who harmed his child. His actions following the disappearance of his daughter makes me sure he would make that deal.

Yes, Ron would make that trade off to protect himself. The thought of that, makes me ill. But, it's jmo.

 

[dodie20]

I don't know Dodie..I just don't see Ron covering for Misty. I don't see Ron putting any of the Croslins above his daughter. IMO, whatever went on with Haleigh is bigger than the Croslins.

I am just disgusted with the fact that Ron may have known what happened to Haleigh all this time....and said or did nothing. He didn't go after Jo, Misty or Tommy(although I still believe that the dead rat is related). Ron did not want the truth known. Why, if he was not directly involved?

I am too confused by this and Ron's plea deal.

JMO of course

IDK, but at 1st, I thought Misty was covering for Ron, but then I spent a long time thinking he was covering for her. I never really fully gave up on that theory. but after the bust, he seemed to push Misty aside-like his attitude was 'every man for himself'. I don't like that theory, because it's just wrong on so many levels, but I think there's the possibility that he loved Misty more than he wanted justice for Haleigh. After this case 1st broke, Misty went to her mom's, but soon went back to Ron. I always wondered why. I hope & pray that it's because he knew that she wasn't responsible, but it could've been because he saw her tears, believed she was suffering, & decided to forgive her. Ron may have had a moment of insight, & realized that his actions were partly to blame? IDK, but we may find out if he ever gets the chance to testify. Also, because of Tommy's actions, changed stories, etc...there is the possibility that Misty was somehow covering for him, & Ron realized that she wasn't responsible, & that's why he harbored her. I can only guess, but there are reasons for Ron's actions.

 

[Chablis]

I truly believe Ron Cummings would be the kind of person who would turn the other cheek in his daughter's death if it meant his serious illegal activities were covered up by the person who harmed his child. His actions following the disappearance of his daughter makes me sure he would make that deal.

Yes, Ron would make that trade off to protect himself. The thought of that, makes me ill. But, it's jmo.

I feel sick, and I never really thought about it the way you just put it, but from what he pulled today, I think you could be right, and I am nauseated.

Today when I was watching that noon broadcast, and they said that Ron was going to testify for the state in anything haleigh related, I literally started feeling sick, because even though I have always known he is responsible somehow, the little bits of confirmation, its not any kind of victory or a yay moment for me, its unbearable sadness that someone didn't love his daughter the way she deserved, it breaks my heart. jmo

 

[grammieto5]

Here is Misty's chance and Tommy's to. To no surprise Ron, the one with the longest criminal record and more charges than Hope, Donna, and Tommy got 2of his charges dropped. Maybe this will be an eye opener for the rest of them. At least I would hope so anyway. This has to come to an end, for Haleigh's sake I could care less about the ones that have been lying, dealing, stealing, and drugging it up while she is still missing. As CS said, they can all rot in Jail! :furious:

Guess Tommy, Misty, and Donna don't have a family member working in LE. I don't know what happened to Hope, guess she wasn't a favorite of TN.

 

[suspicious1]

I'm so glad you've posted and asked the questions you have, suspicious1. Can I add that I believe Ron would cover for anyone who harmed his daughter, if that person had information about something illegal Ron had done.

Let's suppose Ron didn't have anything to do with his daughter's disappearance but he knew who did and what happened. But this person, could testify to the fact Ron was involved in a gun for drugs deal. Especially if it were a gun that was stolen or was illegal to own if it were not registered with the FEDs, such as a machine gun. I believe Ron would keep quiet and protect that person in order to keep that person quiet about his crimes.

I truly believe Ron Cummings would be the kind of person who would turn the other cheek in his daughter's death if it meant his serious illegal activities were covered up by the person who harmed his child. His actions following the disappearance of his daughter makes me sure he would make that deal.

Yes, Ron would make that trade off to protect himself. The thought of that, makes me ill. But, it's jmo.

Yep you're right Az, I can see Ron protecting this person as well. Let me get my thoughts together on this one. You've made a good point.

 

[azwriter]

Yep you're right Az, I can see Ron protecting this person as well. Let me get my thoughts together on this one. You've made a good point.

suspicious1, do get your thoughts together on this. It was your post wondering what would make Ron cover for anyone that prompted my thoughts on this. Also it was a post by lonetraveler a few days ago who opened my mind to the possibly Ron would mix guns and drugs.

It seems to me that I can make a good point only when I read posts by WS members who work so hard to make sense of this case. Each post here is valuable to this case and bringing justice for Haleigh.