a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #6

[MeeBee]

This from The State vs Jodi Arias FB page:

That is disappointing about Chris and Sky Hughes. But I guess I kind of understand why. Cancun PPL, huh? Wonder what that is about?

 

[camcneishg]

That is disappointing about Chris and Sky Hughes. But I guess I kind of understand why. Cancun PPL, huh? Wonder what that is about?

Hopefully it will show JA on the trip listed, then taken off.....LOL...just guessing

 

[kayice]

... And then gave Sam her business card???

:thud:

J/K.... But... Jeez!

And then gave Sam her business card??? :what: What was she going to do? Counsel these grown kids on their childhood? Rather hypocritical.
In seeing how Arias took extreme personal pieces of Travis' life experiences and used that in such a horrific manner to terrorize and murder him, yet Alyce doesn't see that? That stabbing of the back...childhood--the gun to the head...the robbery attempt. I wouldn't be surprised if Arias had thrown cockroaches at him. She's that evil.
Jodi Arias is learning from Alyce alright, you can tell she pays attention and it is not good; she learning how to lie, manipulate, scheme and control more. All these defense experts and lawyers played right into Jodi's sociopath hands.

 

[Kattrca]

I think the Judge would and did admonish/instruct the witness to not behave in such deplorable ways in the courtroom.

I adore AZ Lawyer and respect her knowledge completely and I'm just speaking as a lay person who has been on the receiving end of something like this. But she knows what she's talking about. I just know I was instructed that I had the legal right to not be contacted and when that (horrible, lying) investigator for the Legal Defender's office ambushed me in my home I said to her "isn't it illegal for you to be approaching me like this?" (once I came to and realized what was going on...how disorienting, I assumed of course she was representing OUR side when she showed up unannounced on my doorstep 2 weeks before the anniversary of Cindy's death). She immediately responded with some law, some loophole she knew and had calculated that she was slipping through.

She lied to my face saying if I helped with this "retardation" argument (um why WOULD I?) that he would get Life without Parole. That was never, not once on the table as it wasn't an option when he was convicted so not an option now. She had been working on the case for years so of course knew this important FACT. We were talking life WITH parole which would have had him go from Death Row to eligibility for parole in 5 years...FIVE YEARS.

I knew she was lying or at best uninformed. Then I interrupted her and said "really what has happened to you in your life that youv'e become a person who would walk in to my house, right before Christmas which is the anniversary of my sister's murder and stir all this up for me thinking I'd cooperate with you? What is wrong with you?" (obviously I was pissed)

She started crying and said "I'm sorry I'm tearing up, I don't know why I'm reacting this way" and I said "you are reacting this way because you are having a normal human emotion to a true victim, ME, not the man you are championing. ME who was going to decorate my house for Christmas today, can you imagine what this is doing to me? In fact you need to get out of my house". Then I walked out of the room and in to my kitchen, shaking, and said "you can let yourself out the door you came in". Then she left her card saying "well here's my card, you can contact me anytime" to which I said "oh I will use that card to contact someone about you, you can be sure of that" and kicked her out of my house.

I immediately called Cathy Hughes our prosecutor who put me in touch with Keli Luther who was then with the AZ Crime Victims Legal Assistance Project and represented me in this and got that loop hole at the legislative level changed. She wrote me back that very day and said she'd been waiting for a case to take to argue this and she used this incident.

My friend then came over to go to brunch with me and said I was shaking hours later. And I"m a very strong person. 18 years later this got me shaking for hours. That's what these people do to victims.

You can see why i feel so strongly about this.

OH MY WORD!! So sorry to hear that. that had to be horrible I can't even imagine Katie. It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely ignorant and self serving people can be.. well I am sure it was none to comfortable for Samantha either. I secretly do hope something comes of it.. it is the evil inside me that wants to see ALV punished for disgusting character assassination of Travis.

 

[SunnyinMO]

Exactly. To ask for an urgent break 5 min. before the scheduled break anyway suggests, well, an urgency. Which is belied by the fact that she took a pitstop en route to the bathroom to speak to Samantha.

This Judge needs to keep a tighter rein on this witness now. She's held up the trial for half a day, then this. She appears, to me, to be game playing and trying to alpha her way around the courtroom at this point.

By the way, Janine Driver has had contact with me now on this issue and is very disturbed by it. And she is asking me questions about it so...we'll see.

thanks Katie!! I am sure had I been Sam I would have hit her right in the face if she had spoken to me. I have great admiration for Travis' family being able to sit through this. I fear I would have been made to leave the court and view from the Victim's Room (I am not a fighter but, I had 7 brothers...LOL). It makes my blood boil to think she had the audacity to approach any of Travis' family. Professional? I think NOT!

 

[katiecoolady]

thanks Katie!! I am sure had I been Sam I would have hit her right in the face if she had spoken to me. I have great admiration for Travis' family being able to sit through this. I fear I would have been made to leave the court and view from the Victim's Room (I am not a fighter but, I had 7 brothers...LOL). It makes my blood boil to think she had the audacity to approach any of Travis' family. Professional? I think NOT!

I have a feeling it was very disorienting to her in the moment as LaViolette was just so comfortable getting down in her face like that. I can see where, unprepared for that, it would take a minute to even digest what was happening and then poof she was off to her "urgent bathroom break".

I know I'm projecting all over the place on this issue but it was so, to me, hypocritical and beyond insensitive to a VICTIM's family. Has she so convinced herself, as what happened in our case, that Jodi is the true victim here, that she can't even empathize anymore to what Travis' family could be feeling listening to her testimony?

On another note I'm glad I just turned on SNL from last night on my TV because Melissa McCarthy is really making me LOL which I sorely needed.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Exactly. To ask for an urgent break 5 min. before the scheduled break anyway suggests, well, an urgency. Which is belied by the fact that she took a pitstop en route to the bathroom to speak to Samantha.

This Judge needs to keep a tighter rein on this witness now. She's held up the trial for half a day, then this. She appears, to me, to be game playing and trying to alpha her way around the courtroom at this point.

By the way, Janine Driver has had contact with me now on this issue and is very disturbed by it. And she is asking me questions about it so...we'll see.

Needless to say, this disturbed me as much as anyone. Heavens what she said, even if to say she was just "doing her job and it was nothing personal," it's such an invasion of privacy and grief.

I'm sure Judge Stevens got a full report of what happened and what was said. I do hope that she also knows that the main riotous laughers were connected to this witness.

We may never know the outcome of that little chat in the hallway, but we should get a good idea if we don't see her two cohorts in the courtroom tomorrow! It's not a good idea to bring your own cheerleaders to court.

Thank you, Pasa, and all the others who are our eyes and ears in the courtroom. It adds such depth of understanding to what we see.

Thinking good thoughts for Alphonse!

 

[SunnyinMO]

I think the Judge would and did admonish/instruct the witness to not behave in such deplorable ways in the courtroom.

I adore AZ Lawyer and respect her knowledge completely and I'm just speaking as a lay person who has been on the receiving end of something like this. But she knows what she's talking about. I just know I was instructed that I had the legal right to not be contacted and when that (horrible, lying) investigator for the Legal Defender's office ambushed me in my home I said to her "isn't it illegal for you to be approaching me like this?" (once I came to and realized what was going on...how disorienting, I assumed of course she was representing OUR side when she showed up unannounced on my doorstep 2 weeks before the anniversary of Cindy's death). She immediately responded with some law, some loophole she knew and had calculated that she was slipping through.

She lied to my face saying if I helped with this "retardation" argument (um why WOULD I?) that he would get Life without Parole. That was never, not once on the table as it wasn't an option when he was convicted so not an option now. She had been working on the case for years so of course knew this important FACT. We were talking life WITH parole which would have had him go from Death Row to eligibility for parole in 5 years...FIVE YEARS.

I knew she was lying or at best uninformed. Then I interrupted her and said "really what has happened to you in your life that youv'e become a person who would walk in to my house, right before Christmas which is the anniversary of my sister's murder and stir all this up for me thinking I'd cooperate with you? What is wrong with you?" (obviously I was pissed)

She started crying and said "I'm sorry I'm tearing up, I don't know why I'm reacting this way" and I said "you are reacting this way because you are having a normal human emotion to a true victim, ME, not the man you are championing. ME who was going to decorate my house for Christmas today, can you imagine what this is doing to me? In fact you need to get out of my house". Then I walked out of the room and in to my kitchen, shaking, and said "you can let yourself out the door you came in". Then she left her card saying "well here's my card, you can contact me anytime" to which I said "oh I will use that card to contact someone about you, you can be sure of that" and kicked her out of my house.

I immediately called Cathy Hughes our prosecutor who put me in touch with Keli Luther who was then with the AZ Crime Victims Legal Assistance Project and represented me in this and got that loop hole at the legislative level changed. She wrote me back that very day and said she'd been waiting for a case to take to argue this and she used this incident.

My friend then came over to go to brunch with me and said I was shaking hours later. And I"m a very strong person. 18 years later this got me shaking for hours. That's what these people do to victims.

You can see why i feel so strongly about this.

Katie, I am a crusty old gal..not a lot shocks me...Not a lot makes me cry..but reading this brought tears to me eyes and a pain in my heart. I just want to take you on my lap, rock you and stroke your hair and tell you it's gonna be alright. You are an amazing young woman.

 

[strawberry]

It's 4:30 and Juan's got ALV in knots. He is on fire, getting justice for Travis after having to hear him be trashed for days and days.

ALV is toast.

Recess until Monday

*respectfully snipped*

Out of every single post on this ever-lasting website which details an infinite amount of trials...

What you wrote above was absolutely poetic.

I got goose bumps when I read that.

Thank you.

I'm sorry, this is completely O/T but with that being said, see 3:05

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/outside-the-lines/n35031/

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think the Judge would and did admonish/instruct the witness to not behave in such deplorable ways in the courtroom.

I adore AZ Lawyer and respect her knowledge completely and I'm just speaking as a lay person who has been on the receiving end of something like this. But she knows what she's talking about. I just know I was instructed that I had the legal right to not be contacted and when that (horrible, lying) investigator for the Legal Defender's office ambushed me in my home I said to her "isn't it illegal for you to be approaching me like this?" (once I came to and realized what was going on...how disorienting, I assumed of course she was representing OUR side when she showed up unannounced on my doorstep 2 weeks before the anniversary of Cindy's death). She immediately responded with some law, some loophole she knew and had calculated that she was slipping through.

She lied to my face saying if I helped with this "retardation" argument (um why WOULD I?) that he would get Life without Parole. That was never, not once on the table as it wasn't an option when he was convicted so not an option now. She had been working on the case for years so of course knew this important FACT. We were talking life WITH parole which would have had him go from Death Row to eligibility for parole in 5 years...FIVE YEARS.

I knew she was lying or at best uninformed. Then I interrupted her and said "really what has happened to you in your life that youv'e become a person who would walk in to my house, right before Christmas which is the anniversary of my sister's murder and stir all this up for me thinking I'd cooperate with you? What is wrong with you?" (obviously I was pissed)

She started crying and said "I'm sorry I'm tearing up, I don't know why I'm reacting this way" and I said "you are reacting this way because you are having a normal human emotion to a true victim, ME, not the man you are championing. ME who was going to decorate my house for Christmas today, can you imagine what this is doing to me? In fact you need to get out of my house". Then I walked out of the room and in to my kitchen, shaking, and said "you can let yourself out the door you came in". Then she left her card saying "well here's my card, you can contact me anytime" to which I said "oh I will use that card to contact someone about you, you can be sure of that" and kicked her out of my house.

I immediately called Cathy Hughes our prosecutor who put me in touch with Keli Luther who was then with the AZ Crime Victims Legal Assistance Project and represented me in this and got that loop hole at the legislative level changed. She wrote me back that very day and said she'd been waiting for a case to take to argue this and she used this incident.

My friend then came over to go to brunch with me and said I was shaking hours later. And I"m a very strong person. 18 years later this got me shaking for hours. That's what these people do to victims.

You can see why i feel so strongly about this.

That is shocking. If that was a private investigator their license should be pulled for that stunt. If it was an Atty the State bar should act against them.
Worse than ambulance chasers...

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie, I am a crusty old gal..not a lot shocks me...Not a lot makes me cry..but reading this brought tears to me eyes and a pain in my heart. I just want to take you on my lap, rock you and stroke your hair and tell you it's gonna be alright. You are an amazing young woman.

And....now you got me crying. As a motherless daughter, that just....ok....now I'm bawling. Don't worry it's been coming, it's a good thing. This has been an incredibly rough week (my brother has not been doing well at all on top of everything else which is the most important thing in my life right now).

 

[SunnyinMO]

This from The State vs Jodi Arias FB page:

I am sad to read this.....I was so hoping MM was gonna testify...dangit!! I just have that nagging feeling he knows more...a lot more.

 

[katiecoolady]

That is shocking. If that was a private investigator their license should be pulled for that stunt. If it was an Atty the State bar should act against them.
Worse than ambulance chasers...

It was a mitigation specialist (like Maria DeLa Rosa) for the Legal defender's office. And I had to see her every day in that hearing (like another trial, went on for two weeks I think) in court. She calculated exactly what she did knowingly. My attorney suggested she even calculated the timing that at the anniversary of Cindy's death I'd be more suspeptible/vulnerable. just like Sam was sitting in that courtroom.

These people get it all upside down and backwards championing for murderers, calling evil "victimhood".

 

[Kattrca]

This from The State vs Jodi Arias FB page:

I don't know how they could possibly confirm this. Many attorneys have dispelled this and agreed that they have no Idea who will be testifying in the Rebuttal. If the names were released it might be more believable but "Cancun PPL, Walmart SL" do not sound like witness'. They do not have their hands on the witness list so I would stay open minded about this. Just sayin'

 

[SunnyinMO]

And....now you got me crying. As a motherless daughter, that just....ok....now I'm bawling. Don't worry it's been coming, it's a good thing. This has been an incredibly rough week (my brother has not been doing well at all on top of everything else which is the most important thing in my life right now).

Oh I am sorry.....I didn't mean to make you cry...I am sending you a big Mother hug right now. (I pray for your brother every night...he like you have become family.

 

[katiecoolady]

Oh I am sorry.....I didn't mean to make you cry...I am sending you a big Mother hug right now. (I pray for your brother every night...he like you have ecome family.

No I needed to release these tears, believe me, it's a good thing. :heart:

 

[kayice]

It's not personal...is like the abuser telling a kid, You know if you didn't smart me off--I would have to beat you like that. Or "it's for your own good." nothing personal, Alyce.

 

[Kattrca]

It's not personal...is like the abuser telling a kid, You know if you didn't smart me off--I would have to beat you like that. Or "it's for your own good." nothing personal, Alyce.

EXACTLY! It was totally personal and contrived.

 

[Hally]

And....now you got me crying. As a motherless daughter, that just....ok....now I'm bawling. Don't worry it's been coming, it's a good thing. This has been an incredibly rough week (my brother has not been doing well at all on top of everything else which is the most important thing in my life right now).

Damn it, no crying in baseball, errr wait before you go on the radio, or when you are wearing contacts. Can't wait for some Trisha and KCL tonight.

Weird I just read about AVL approaching Sam, what a skanky, unprofessional, terrible, rotten below the belt thing to do - during the trial. I am not surprised that the 5 minute request for a break ended up being BS! That's the DT motto. She is a perfect example of one who ***** in her own sand box, to bad I actually liked her the first day, today I cannot stand her.

I read what AZlawyer responded to and her answer makes sense the way the question was posed. As far as it being illegal - I don't think there is a law that was broken where AVL - will be fined or put in jail. However and AZlawyer was very careful to point out that it was tasteless, and MOO - it broke the code of conduct which you supplied? Aka Victims BOR's. Depending on what was said.

I love your heart and passion, but moreso I saw you protecting Sam after this.- as sson as I thought I couldn't love yu more watching you on the tv show, I just do.

AVL is f-ing rotton to the core. She could have handled this soooo, much better. But, this whole DT's witness list is like a broken record, I can predict it. Hit below the belt, lie, point fingers at JM zzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[Kattrca]

At first I was hopeful that Jaun would turn her into a prosecution witness, I don't see that happening, she is defiant, rude, outdated, man hating, and obviously has zero boundaries or self respect. I think the observers will be in for a helluva ride tomorrow! Stay strong ladies, believe it or not your presence and energy has a huge effect on soooo many things.