Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #177

[twall]

My question answered here. Jury will be sequestered. (In Lafayette?)

 

[sunshineray]

Not all of us are just concerned about the D's behavior; if the judge stands on her orders, Nick may have a problem, too. Note that she states motions.

A lot of us are concerned about the entire trial and all the families and friends who are affected.

Delphi murder suspect files motion to use public funds to hire a private investigator

Attorneys for Richard Allen, the Delphi murders suspect, either has hired a private investigator or will hire one soon.

www.jconline.com

Well if it was ex parte how did Journal and Courier know this? Who squealed? BBM
Below is from your link

"Allen's attorneys filed an ex parte motion Wednesday for authorization to receive public funds to hire a private investigator to look into the allegations that Allen killed Libby German and Abby Williams on Feb. 13, 2017."

 

[sunshineray]

OH,I don’t think they are bringing them in JUST in defence of the D. It might just tell us who’s been feeding them (the podcasters) long before the Westerman leak. JMHO

The defense lawyers fed SM the whole shebang. They acknowledged it already. They emailed youtuber BW discovery and strategies...oh, by mistake...of course. The also let a not-offical-anymore employee into their offices who swiped images of the murder scene photos...oh, not intentionally...of course.

 

[twall]

Well if it was ex parte how did Journal and Courier know this? Who squealed? BBM
Below is from your link

"Allen's attorneys filed an ex parte motion Wednesday for authorization to receive public funds to hire a private investigator to look into the allegations that Allen killed Libby German and Abby Williams on Feb. 13, 2017."

It is in the public case summary.

12/21/2022

Motion Filed Ex Parte Motion Authorizing Funding for Fact Investigator Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 12/21/2022

 

[susiQ]

The defense lawyers fed SM the whole shebang. They acknowledged it already. They emailed youtuber BW discovery and strategies...oh, by mistake...of course. The also let a not-offical-anymore employee into their offices who swiped images of the murder scene photos...oh, not intentionally...of course.

I’m sorry, I’m just not buying your view that the defence are the only baddies in this three ring circus. Could they have done better. Yes. But I doubt AB texted MW, “hey Mitch, I’m in my office on the phone but the war room is open and I’ve left all the good stuff out there for you. Take some pics, will ya, make sure you send them to RF so he can forward them to MRC. Need to get that stuff out asap to the podcasters.”
JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Strictly in regards to NMcL's ex parte motion, here is what JG wrote in her 12/12/22 order (BBM):

All such motions shall bear the following legend, preceding and separated from the style of the motion: EX PARTE PLEADING T0 BE PLACED UNDER SEAL and the Clerk shall ensure that these filings are not accessible by the Prosecutor.

The Clerk, the Sheriff and any deputies from his office, the Court Reporter, and the Carroll
County Public Defender Agency and any agents are hereby restrained under penalty of contempt from disclosing to anyone the nature of any motion or order relating thereto, any testimony or colloquy adduced at any hearing on such motions, the text of any transcript, or any other information disclosed in such proceedings.

12/12/22: OrderGrantingExParteMotionforFundsIssued 10.pdf

IMOO, the Clerk (not the D) was supposed to assure these were filed as sealed and not accessible to NMcL. And, by disclosing the name of the D's requested expert in a public motion, NMcL opened himself up for contempt. JMO, but this issue should be treated as a separate entity from anything the D has done, and it's clear in JG's own order what has to happen for both the Clerk and NMcL. JMO.

I wonder if this part was done correctly by the attorneys. They'd be the ones creating a legend, and labeling it with the bolded below, wouldn't they?

"All such motions shall bear the following legend, preceding and separated from the style of the motion: EX PARTE PLEADING T0 BE PLACED UNDER SEAL.."

 

[sunshineray]

It is in the public case summary.

12/21/2022

Motion Filed Ex Parte Motion Authorizing Funding for Fact Investigator Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 12/21/2022

So it's not the fact that they asked to use funds to hire a PI that's ex parte, it's what that a PI will be investigating the murders? Or did they name the PI and that's the big secret they needed to keep from the prosecutor?

 

[Falling Down]

My question answered here. Jury will be sequestered. (In Lafayette?)

Allen County

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I wouldn’t count on it. Things seem to get recorded over, especially anything that would work in RA’s favour, but hey, honest mistake, right? Would you implicitly trust this place if it were your relative in there, accused of a murder he/she may not have committed? I sure wouldn’t. RA has not been convicted and his treatment has been less than fair, IMO.

This is outrageous!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yes, it is a slap in the face to our Justice system that Internet Trolls, Podcasters and SM wannabes are going to be called in defense of the Defense. But kind of fitting when you think about it.

moo

Aren't the same categories of individuals defending the behavior of the state?

 

[DeDee]

I’m sorry, I’m just not buying your view that the defence are the only baddies in this three ring circus. Could they have done better. Yes. But I doubt AB texted MW, “hey Mitch, I’m in my office on the phone but the war room is open and I’ve left all the good stuff out there for you. Take some pics, will ya, make sure you send them to RF so he can forward them to MRC. Need to get that stuff out asap to the podcasters.”
JMO

As with most crimes, I usually ask: Cui bono? Who benefits?

The September 2023 CS leak hurt the D immensely. What happened because of the leak? JG fired RA's attorneys on OCT 19, 2023 and replaced them by the end of the month. That forced RA to take his wishes for representation to the Indiana Supreme Court. They reinstated RA's lawyers and set a trial date for OCT 2024 that's now been bumped forward to May 13, 2024.

All of that time from Sept to present has been Wasted Time. Who does it behoove from having more time? The P Team. It stalled the case from the D's 70 day threat.

That's how I've seen this shaking out, thus far, to the benefit of the Prosecution. Eager for the hearing on the 18th. Trial is May 13th.
.......

A sequestered jury with a traumatizing case may not be best. The jurors will need moral support and courage to make it through to the end.

JAN 29, 2023 Order
The parties having filed their Stipulation Regarding Defendant's Verified Motion for Change of Venue from the County onJanuary20, 2023, and the Court having examined same, the Court hereby Orders that the jury venire shall be drawn from Allen County and trial shall be conducted in Carroll _County.

 

[Emma Peel]

Yes, it is a slap in the face to our Justice system that Internet Trolls, Podcasters and SM wannabes are going to be called in defense of the Defense. But kind of fitting when you think about it.

moo

Perhaps we'll learn Hennessey's actual strategy at the hearing. My perspective?
These trolls are more Hennessey's offense, than his defense.

And it's working already, IMO

With hindsight, and with the SCOIN's written opinion, we understand that McL and Gull miscalculated both the source of the leak and the actual damage. Judge Gull's over-reaction and removal of the D denied RA his chosen counsel destroyed RA's speedy trial momentum and resulted in the SCOIN restoring RA's due process rights.

How did that happen? Well, they got trolled. All that damage ... because of one Westerman and two selfish, misguided self-involved suffering trolls high on reddit/discord/facebook induced serotonin.

If nothing else, Judge Gull has learned what a social media troll is. She won't let them get under her skin and blind her judgement the next time. And that's good - because here they are again.

Today Judge Gull received personal letters from two more trolls, explaining how, in support of her and the Prosecution and the Judge, they set a plan to entrap the defense, so McLeland can catch them, and Gull can know how evil the defense are and get rid of the D team once and for all.

And C'mon. After all this Court has been through? To have trolls on her desk and on her docket because they're fans of McLeland? And because they actually believe that Gull is on McLeland's SIDE? That it's Gull and McL against the Defense? And these are content creators with audiences?

Quick digression: The Defense just argued the public perception of bias and asked her to recuse. But Gull denied this was the case. Now there's proof of the public perception of bias on her record - thanks to Fig and Frank - right on her docket, in the record of this trial. There's a Hennessey win for the defense already.

I trust that given Hennessey's listed these clowns and their adventures on his exhibit list - the Court and all its officers will confront this info - that has found it's way into the court record - all the wiser. For the better of this trial, and future trials.

When one thinks about the Defense in any high profile trial getting a theory out to the public - they're getting their story out to the legitimate press. Why would they look to publish via the Fig and Frank crank show from the basement, when the press is happy to report their filings? It's kinda a hoot that these trolls believed they'd scoop the legit press on these (non-existent) Defense leaks.

The long-discredited fantasy that Baldwin sought out reddit trolls as a conduit for publicity was dissolved on the steps of the SCOIN. I bet even Gull is tired of hearing about it.

After all, Baldwin didn't say "Trolls - do your job!" He said "Journalists - do your job!"

JMHO

 

[sunshineray]

I’m sorry, I’m just not buying your view that the defence are the only baddies in this three ring circus. Could they have done better. Yes. But I doubt AB texted MW, “hey Mitch, I’m in my office on the phone but the war room is open and I’ve left all the good stuff out there for you. Take some pics, will ya, make sure you send them to RF so he can forward them to MRC. Need to get that stuff out asap to the podcasters.”
JMO

After hearing from just these few SM people (and there may be more) and don't forget BW, who was real angry (ha) at AB for sending him that loaded email, I don't believe a word that comes from this defense team, as far as all these leaks being unintentional. It seems more than the wrong "Brad" was in the defense's contacts. I'm just sorry all this didn't play out before the SC stuff. Where's all the 3rd party high-powered defense advocates now, running to AB & BR's defense of these contempt charges?

This is all so sickening. AJMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Aren't the same categories of individuals defending the behavior of the state?

No, it's two that made contact to the Prosecution telling of having received highly confidential information and gruesome CS photos, which they chose not to share and discuss for clicks and likes. Good on them, I find it all appalling.

They aren't defending the State because the info didn't come from the NMcL's office, they are stating the facts that it was leaked to them starting with the Defense and MW and trickled down, which we know is true because B&R have admitted it.

moo

 

[sunshineray]

Perhaps we'll learn Hennessey's actual strategy at the hearing. My perspective?
These trolls are more Hennessey's offense, than his defense.

And it's working already, IMO

With hindsight, and with the SCOIN's written opinion, we understand that McL and Gull miscalculated both the source of the leak and the actual damage. Judge Gull's over-reaction and removal of the D denied RA his chosen counsel destroyed RA's speedy trial momentum and resulted in the SCOIN restoring RA's due process rights.

How did that happen? Well, they got trolled. All that damage ... because of one Westerman and two selfish, misguided self-involved suffering trolls high on reddit/discord/facebook induced serotonin.

If nothing else, Judge Gull has learned what a social media troll is. She won't let them get under her skin and blind her judgement the next time. And that's good - because here they are again.

Today Judge Gull received personal letters from two more trolls, explaining how, in support of her and the Prosecution and the Judge, they set a plan to entrap the defense, so McLeland can catch them, and Gull can know how evil the defense are and get rid of the D team once and for all.

And C'mon. After all this Court has been through? To have trolls on her desk and on her docket because they're fans of McLeland? And because they actually believe that Gull is on McLeland's SIDE? That it's Gull and McL against the Defense? And these are content creators with audiences?

Quick digression: The Defense just argued the public perception of bias and asked her to recuse. But Gull denied this was the case. Now there's proof of the public perception of bias on her record - thanks to Fig and Frank - right on her docket, in the record of this trial. There's a Hennessey win for the defense already.

I trust that given Hennessey's listed these clowns and their adventures on his exhibit list - the Court and all its officers will confront this info - that has found it's way into the court record - all the wiser. For the better of this trial, and future trials.

When one thinks about the Defense in any high profile trial getting a theory out to the public - they're getting their story out to the legitimate press. Why would they look to publish via the Fig and Frank crank show from the basement, when the press is happy to report their filings? It's kinda a hoot that these trolls believed they'd scoop the legit press on these (non-existent) Defense leaks.

The long-discredited fantasy that Baldwin sought out reddit trolls as a conduit for publicity was dissolved on the steps of the SCOIN. I bet even Gull is tired of hearing about it.

After all, Baldwin didn't say "Trolls - do your job!" He said "Journalists - do your job!"

JMHO

By no stretch of the imagination would I label these youtubers journalists. Why would the D look to use these SM people? Well to do exactly what they've done, leak sealed information and influence the public/jury pool. This is the most atrocious defense attorney behavior I've ever seen. I wonder with all these new testimonials/evidence coming out about the deplorable actions of RA's defense attorneys, if the SC won't have to revisit their disqualification.

 

[FrostedGlass]

"She's" making a record? Last I looked it's two male lead defense lawyers and one male lead defense lawyer's defense lawyer making quite the record...and there's really no counting on it. AJMO

Yes, she's making a record. Every motion, every order, etc is (supposed to be) entered into the CCS.
They are all making a record. Which is a very, very good thing.

 

[Justice101]

This case is crazy

 

[StarryStarryNight]

<modsnip>
The one fact is that the defense admitted they were the source of the leak of the crime scene photos. Why they are fighting this so hard is a mystery. I expected them to try to explain things in a way to lessen any penalties but this is way over the top.
I’ll jump on the spinning wheel and say this mirrors their usual strategy.
—attach 100+ page Odinist fairy tale to the Franks Motion in order to sneak sealed information out to the public with only their slanted narrative, in order to taint the jury.
—widen the scope of contempt hearing on an issue that they’ve already admitted to, in order to reveal slanted misinformation and unfounded accusations to the public in hopes of tainting the jury.
The second fact is the trial is now only 62 days away. Thank goodness.

 

[Emma Peel]

Youtuber Anthony Greeno - a youtuber named in the Contempt Hearing exhibit list submitted by the Defense.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Youtuber Anthony Greeno - a youtuber named in the Contempt Hearing exhibit list submitted by the Defense.

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Thank you Emma Peel for your tireless efforts to keep us informed.
So is anyone keeping count of how many people received protected crime scene photos that originated from defense?
8?
10?
20?
Even if the photos were deleted they could remain in clouds, hard drives even in the communication database.
My heart is absolutely broken for the families of Abigail and Libby.