Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #179

[TL4S]

Thanks @Caylee Advocate
So ... do you agree that this Farm Bureau is NOT the same address as the CPS building?

With the caveat that I'm no GPS queen ... it appears to me to - once again - be at the location described in the article (Washington and Monroe) which is on the opposite side of the creek than the CPS building.

Was this building and lot still there in 2017?

 

[Emma Peel]

Was this building and lot still there in 2017?

So, the article (if I understand it correctly) talks about replacing the old FB building on the old lot (old lot adjacent to the new-FB build yet to be built lot). The article is 2015. So the old building is still up in 2015. Don't know if it's down in 2017, with the new FB building in the next lot.

 

[layer]

I found this old post from @FrostedGlass I know there's more.

 

[TL4S]

I found this old post from @FrostedGlass I know there's more.

@FrostedGlass has been on top of this for a long time.

 

[Salah11]

When a RA ( presumably) is seen walking back to his car muddy and bloody is he heading to where he claims he parked it?

Sorry I have zero knowledge on Delphi locations and car parks and all that jazz.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Thanks @Caylee Advocate
So ... do you agree that this Farm Bureau is NOT the same address as the CPS building?

With the caveat that I'm no GPS queen ... it appears to me to - once again - be at the location described in the article (Washington and Monroe) which is on the opposite side of the creek than the CPS building.

You are correct as far as MOO... which isn't worth much. Your previous question as to why the differences concerning RA saying old farm bureau and State saying the old CPS building has a dark history IMO

 

[DeDee]

Here's the pin for the location of the old CPS bldg that no longer exists bc it was torn down.

40°35'46.1"N 86°39'16.7"W​

https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B035'46.1%22N+86%C2%B039'16.7%22W/@40.5961389,-86.6552826,165m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m8!3m7!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!2sDelphi,+IN+46923!3b1!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059!16zL20vMHNrOXA!3m3!8m2!3d40.5961389!4d-86.6546389?entry=ttu​

So, if I was off to go murder two girls in the woods, I'd definitely park way far away so I'd need to walk, with muddy jeans, along a county Hwy in order to reach my vehicle when I was done. No doubt about it because no way would I park in the back of the cemetery where my vehicle couldn't be seen from the road. Pfft.

 

[Salah11]

Here's the pin for the location of the old CPS bldg that no longer exists bc it was torn down.

40°35'46.1"N 86°39'16.7"W​

https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B035'46.1%22N+86%C2%B039'16.7%22W/@40.5961389,-86.6552826,165m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m8!3m7!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!2sDelphi,+IN+46923!3b1!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059!16zL20vMHNrOXA!3m3!8m2!3d40.5961389!4d-86.6546389?entry=ttu​

So, if I was off to go murder two girls in the woods, I'd definitely park way far away so I'd need to walk, with muddy jeans, along a county Hwy in order to reach my vehicle when I was done. No doubt about it because no way would I park in the back of the cemetery where my vehicle couldn't be seen from the road. Pfft.

You are going on the assumption it was planned and there isn’t any proof at the moment about his intent that day from the little we know.

It’s America so a vast majority love guns so I can’t even say it’s unusual he had a gun on him that day. It could be a moment presented itself to him as he watched them cross that bridge and he took it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

@FrostedGlass has been on top of this for a long time.

Thanks but I still don't know anything.

Earlier I tried to look up the location in town but Google maps street view stopped one block away from the building on Washington/Monroe location. When I searched for the building, this picture came up. It looks new with a nice big parking lot.
The way the article reads, I'm with @Emma Peel that the new building went on the new lot and they turned the old bldg into the parking lot.

 

[layer]

Here's the pin for the location of the old CPS bldg that no longer exists bc it was torn down.

40°35'46.1"N 86°39'16.7"W​

Nice!!! You're a rock star!
OK, I'm seeing the building was still there in 2018.

 

[Emma Peel]

Here's the pin for the location of the old CPS bldg that no longer exists bc it was torn down.

40°35'46.1"N 86°39'16.7"W​

https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B035'46.1%22N+86%C2%B039'16.7%22W/@40.5961389,-86.6552826,165m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m8!3m7!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!2sDelphi,+IN+46923!3b1!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059!16zL20vMHNrOXA!3m3!8m2!3d40.5961389!4d-86.6546389?entry=ttu​

So, if I was off to go murder two girls in the woods, I'd definitely park way far away so I'd need to walk, with muddy jeans, along a county Hwy in order to reach my vehicle when I was done. No doubt about it because no way would I park in the back of the cemetery where my vehicle couldn't be seen from the road. Pfft.

Thank u @DeDee for bringing something new to me.

the "old CPS building" ... enters the chat.

Rather than (or in addition to) the old Farm Bureau Building, the new Farm Bureau Building, and the CPS building ... there is also an old CPS building ?

Thank you and ... pass the excedrin pls.

I recognize your sarcasm; unfortunately it goes over my head.
Damned rabbit hole - go down it, then stuff goes over yer head.

 

[Ravenmoon]

It did in 2015.
and it wasn't located at the new CPS building site ... per articles in my posts above.
I'm happy to be proven wrong by someone who's local or has seen this worked out by previous research. ETA: LOL. "Show me the money." and JMHO

There is no "old Farm Bureau building" anywhere close to the trails or bridges. Detective Liggett believes he is referring to the old Child Protective Services building.


This is in the Affidavit for the Search warrant.

 

[layer]

Thanks but I still don't know anything.

Earlier I tried to look up the location in town but Google maps street view stopped one block away from the building on Washington/Monroe location. When I searched for the building, this picture came up. It looks new with a nice big parking lot.
The way the article reads, I'm with @Emma Peel that the new building went on the new lot and they turned the old bldg into the parking lot.
View attachment 495351

OK, did we all understand that the "Indiana Farm Bureau" is not a governmental agency assisting farmers (Mr Kimble), it's a private insurance agency? How late to this party am I?

 

[DeDee]

Nice!!! You're a rock star!
OK, I'm seeing the building was still there in 2018.

To be clear, the old CPS building was abandoned in 2017. It was torn down by AUG 2018. There was wrangling over the building with some local citizens who wanted to purchase it and orgs who supported the purchase as a sort of rest stop but, in the end, INDOT tore it down.

JMOO

 

[Emma Peel]

There is no "old Farm Bureau building" anywhere close to the trails or bridges. Detective Liggett believes he is referring to the old Child Protective Services building.


This is in the Affidavit for the Search warrant.View attachment 495352

Thank you, thank you, Ravenmoon.
And for highlighting - Yes, the word old in front of Child. Works for me.

 

[Boxer]

Dbm

 

[FrostedGlass]

OK, did we all understand that the "Indiana Farm Bureau" is not a governmental agency assisting farmers (Mr Kimble), it's a private insurance agency? How late to this party am I?

I think it started when he said the old Farm Bureau building and the one in town was the only old one that we knew of. I didn't even realize the one that @Caylee Advocate posted was in existence.

 

[Justoneoftheguests]

I’m really stuck on the information that says there is no DNA linking RA to the crime scene.

There are witnesses saying BG was muddy and bloody so how did the murder truly leave NO dna. Or is this not a confirmed fact?

 

[layer]

Thank you, thank you, Ravenmoon.
And for highlighting - Yes, the word old in front of Child. Works for me.

I'm wondering why Detective Liggett was limited to believing RA was referring to the old CPS building... couldn't he have simply pointed at a map and asked RA where he was parked?
That seems... off

 

[Ravenmoon]

I'm wondering why Detective Liggett was limited to believing RA was referring to the old CPS building... couldn't he have simply pointed at a map and asked RA where he was parked?
That seems... off

He said that he assumed this because the old farm bureau building was nowhere near the trail or bridge.

In addition a car that looks like RA'S was spotted at the old CPS building at the time that RA himself said he was arriving.

JMO