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TTF14 said:
I can see that too, if it was someone who was very unfamiliar with cars. But, unless they are color blind, I can't see mistaking black for purple.

IMO MOO
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If black was Shadow Black, the manufacturer describes the color as pearlescent... so the sun glinting off it could theoretically spin the color.

JMO
 
I've always had the idea that search warrants were carried out in an orderly fashion. In my mind, there was one person who bagged the item, another who tagged and sealed it and a third who received it. I just assumed this was done inside the home, then taken out to the evidence van and then to the evidence room.

In the BM interview, neighbors saw LE carrying what looked like several bundles of dark cloth, a Macy's shopping bag, a shoe box and a stack of small books.

So now I'm wondering what exactly is the protocol for searches?
How did they handle all the crime scene evidence?

 
FrostedGlass said:
That's for a used one.

I see where it says painted alloy wheels are standard but it doesn't say black is standard.
Down toward the bottom of the page, it lists this as an option:
17" Black Gloss Aluminum Wheels+$495
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The list I attached for the used 2016 was the standard items for that year and model. It shows optional upgrades towards the end.
 
FrostedGlass said:
I've always had the idea that search warrants were carried out in an orderly fashion. In my mind, there was one person who bagged the item, another who tagged and sealed it and a third who received it. I just assumed this was done inside the home, then taken out to the evidence van and then to the evidence room.

In the BM interview, neighbors saw LE carrying what looked like several bundles of dark cloth, a Macy's shopping bag, a shoe box and a stack of small books.

So now I'm wondering what exactly is the protocol for searches?
How did they handle all the crime scene evidence?

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How do we know that these search items weren't carried out in an orderly fashion? I saw LE take many items out piece meal, ie The ID 4, Jayme Closs case, Kelsey Berreth case over the years. Is there a standard protocol that LE must follow on SW's? IDK

MOO
 
TTF14 said:
I can see that too, if it was someone who was very unfamiliar with cars. But, unless they are color blind, I can't see mistaking black for purple.

IMO MOO
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I can! I’m not colour blind but certain shades of black / blue and purple would be tricky to name for sure! I know a guy who once drove an 80’s car that most people would confidently swear was silver but was listed as green on the ownership.
 
girlhasnoname said:
Just some fun reading of the infamous Franks see Footnote #16 (the Defense likes to minimize their claims in the footnotes IMO0 on page 23.

Even though they were aware of the alleged horrible mistreatment and RA's mental health decline, they opted NOT to bring forth those issues during a hearing set for the very reason, Motion to Transfer (Cass Co) and Motion to let Bail.

JMO
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It would indeed be interesting to know why they didn't pursue the psychosis angle then. Is my memory correct that they referred to a psychosis like condition rather than an actual medical evaluation?

Maybe they didn't want to open all that up to discovery then changed their minds in '24

MOO
 
pseudo_hum said:
IMO, that's a difficult thing for me, remembering details on a day and time which you have no way of knowing that you may be asked to recall that detail at some future date.
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About three or four years ago, I set out intentionally to test myself and my own recall on a day / time / event and two people I saw there. I picked out an odd looking couple as they walked through a parking lot near my home. I studied them for about a 45 seconds as they strolled past. I noted in my mind, what they wore. Which way they were walking, what made them stand out, which direction they went… and set out to try to retain as much as I could without writing it down.

I remembered some of it for days. But by about day five, I remembered less and less.

Today, years later, I don’t recall the date or time or even season - though I can guess it was warmer months based on clothing. I recall direction of travel and a backpack one of them carried that was distinct but can’t recall who had it. I can’t remember what colour her hair was light blue? Green? Long! Short? No idea.

You may have some fun with this if you try it out yourself! I was surprised how fast I forgot things I was trying hard to remember! Now imagine seeing someone or something in passing and not knowing it would be critically important years later!! Even days later you may not remember so much.
 
susiQ said:
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I’m not sure I would mistake a PT cruiser with a Ford Focus hatchback. PT Cruisers have a very distinct profile IMO. ;)
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I never would either, but there are some people who are ignorant (that's not an insult) when it comes to cars. However, the front ends especially look nothing at all alike. And if it was backed in....

It's just weird. But RA also never said he was even parked at the old CPS building. LE just took the liberty of assuming that's what he meant, IIRC.

JMO MOO

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TTF14 said:
I never would either, but there are some people who are ignorant (that's not an insult) when it comes to cars. However, the front ends especially look nothing at all alike. And if it was backed in....

It's just weird. But RA also never said he was even parked at the old CPS building. LE just took the liberty of assuming that's what he meant, IIRC.

JMO MOO

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And grey Hughes had a video wherein a man called in to say there was a car on the side of the road that was there when he went to work (he was pest control) and still there when he left that day. I’m not watching to get the times but he was clear on the times!

 
I would beleive an eyewitness account if they were identifying someone/something they actually knew/are familiar with in real life. Like the woman who identified the same car that her dad had. That makes sense why she would remember that detail. Or identifying a relative, friend, etc. Here you have strangers that weren’t trying to remember a random insignificant person when they encountered him. And then when the stories conflict one another, who do you decide to believe ?

Nationally, 69% of DNA exonerations — 252 out of 367 cases — have involved eyewitness misidentification, making it the leading contributing cause of these wrongful convictions.

innocenceproject.org

How Eyewitness Misidentification Can Send Innocent People to Prison - Innocence Project

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TTF14 said:
Whichever one fits your narrative. You decide the ending, then work backwards...choosing which bits support that ending.

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And then I guess just destroy or bury the conflicting evidence and hope the accused is given a public defender who has such a high workload they’re unable to sift through all the noise to find the original investigation and pray the original investigator doesn’t see the arrest on the news and contact a lawyer to draft a letter to the state to remind them of the original investigation that points to complete different people?

(ETA: Hypothetically speaking of course)
 
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Early eyewitness accounts can shift. As the witness gains clarity. For example, being absolutely certain one saw a specific make and model at an exact time. Later may realize that was all true, just off by a day. Or right car, right day, wrong parking lot.

No one expects to become an eyewitness, in particular to a non-event by which I mean something not directly involved in.

I suspect witness testimony will be important at trial only insofar as it sharpens the timeline.

JMO
 
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