Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #189

[sunshineray]

I cannot wait to hear about the testimony in court yesterday...in details.

 

[MiniMoo]

I’m sorry, but I don’t think that it can be emphasized enough that these conditions are nearly unheard of for a pre-trial detainee. The prison itself has a rule that an inmate cannot be held in segregation for more than 30 days.

I think the most important thing that isn’t being said enough - the posted “trustee” felons perched at his door with a pad and paper get TIME OFF THEIR SENTENCES IF THEY GET A CONFESSION OUT OF HIM. I want to scream that from the mountains. These inmates are benefiting from these confessions. IMO the one inmate (L) was released in exchange and the prosecutor and judge were like “whoa what??? No way!! Bring him back here!!”

The psychologist who oversaw his mental health treatment for the time period of these statements testified in detail today regarding her expert opinion of his psychological condition over that time period. She also testified in detail about the conditions that RA was subjected to and her concerns. I don’t understand how any human could hear these conditions and not be shocked, disgusted and horrified by them.

This information directly from the psychologist is incredibly important for anyone who wants to make an informed decision. We finally have expert testimony, so we don’t have to guess what his mental health state was during that time period.

I think one of my most notable moments from the psychologist testimony is that she gave RA a book to read because she thought it would help him. The book was written about a man who had survived a POW camp. That’s certainly interesting.

All MOO IMO just my opinion for the sake of discussion.

6 months, if true, is a long time to be incarcerated in isolation even if for someone's own protection - that really is a prison within a prison.

Not making excuses for anyone, but under such conditions I believe it would be possible for anyone to be crawling up the walls, pulling hair out and doing unspeakable acts as well as confessing left, right and centre.

Could it not have been done a different way if a confession was what they were after.

JMO

 

[grannygates]

If the case gets to trial to hear from experts and see all the evidence, I do agree. I am a "innocent til proven guilty' supporter of the US criminal justice system. When it works lol

But I have to say that what I've seen so far, I'm not willing to die on the hill of RA's innocence. I'm truly baffled by those who are. We're not to trial yet and haven't seen most of the evidence IMO but so far... Yikes.

I'm certainly willing to keep an open mind but my arms don't stretch so far as some others' do.

I don’t think that there are any die-hard innocence protestors here. I’m an “innocent before proven guilty” person and I expect to see actual real evidence of a person being guilty of a crime. (I admit I’m cynical with this case at this point. I don’t think blue jackets are compelling evidence)

I also find the vast destruction of evidence and the dishonest demeanours of key players to be very concerning. On the other hand , we have FBI/law enforcement testifying in court yesterday and tomorrow that have their original field notes, their interview videos and none of that was destroyed once RA was arrested. So naturally I find those LE to be far credible than those involved in all the missing evidence.

The testimony today by the Dr gave way more information surrounding the “confessions” so we are able to make a far more informed decision regarding them.

I understand how someone could think “wow how does someone confess to a crime they didn’t do” but good lord, we have talked about that til we’re blue in the face. Some people don’t believe in false confessions or that solitary confinement is inhumane.

I don’t want my response to deter you from posting your opinion at all. I’m always open to any thoughtful discussions and opinions about what’s said in the court filings, the evidence, testimony , court stuff, asking questions etc.

All MOO

 

[MiniMoo]

I don’t think that there are any die-hard innocence protestors here. I’m an “innocent before proven guilty” person and I expect to see actual real evidence of a person being guilty of a crime. (I admit I’m cynical with this case at this point. I don’t think blue jackets are compelling evidence)

I also find the vast destruction of evidence and the dishonest demeanours of key players to be very concerning. On the other hand , we have FBI/law enforcement testifying in court yesterday and tomorrow that have their original field notes, their interview videos and none of that was destroyed once RA was arrested. So naturally I find those LE to be far credible than those involved in all the missing evidence.

The testimony today by the Dr gave way more information surrounding the “confessions” so we are able to make a far more informed decision regarding them.

I would like to see what comes out in court as well.

I understand how someone could think “wow how does someone confess to a crime they didn’t do” but good lord, we have talked about that til we’re blue in the face. Some people don’t believe in false confessions or that solitary confinement is inhumane.

I don’t want my response to deter you from posting your opinion at all. I’m always open to any thoughtful discussions and opinions about what’s said in the court filings, the evidence, testimony , court stuff, asking questions etc.

If fully grown men that are seasoned hunters can break down emotionally and ugly cry just one day after missing their helicopter pick up - I reckon anything is possible.

All MOOi

 

[sunshineray]

Cannot wait to hear all the details of RA confessing in phone calls as documented by Detective Harshman. Just a few things. The count of confessions has risen to over 100. RA found God in 2023 and wants to be honest. RA has confessed many, many times to his wife and mother on phone calls. He confessed details to numerous people. He's STILL confessing even after the move to Wabash away from those nasty Odinist guards. He's worried about going to trial and his family will seeing what he did. WOWSA, what a day in court!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox59.com/news/detective-testifies-richard-allen-confessed-more-than-60-times-to-delphi-murders/amp/

 

[Salah11]

So he was coherent enough to realize he didn’t want his family hearing all the gruesome details at trail so he willingly confessed to protect them.

I find it more damning that he mentioned Abby and apologized for killing specificlly. Is it because Libby took the video and without that he likely gets away with the crime and there is some anger or is it more sinister and comes back to Libby looking like his daughter?!

https://fox59.com/news/detective-testifies-richard-allen-confessed-more-than-60-times-to-delphi-murders/

 

[sunshineray]

So he was coherent enough to realize he didn’t want his family hearing all the gruesome details at trail so he willingly confessed to protect them.

I find it more damning that he mentioned Abby and apologized for killing specificlly. Is it because Libby took the video and without that he likely gets away with the crime and there is some anger or is it more sinister and comes back to Libby looking like his daughter?!

https://fox59.com/news/detective-testifies-richard-allen-confessed-more-than-60-times-to-delphi-murders/

It crossed my mind that maybe RA was involved with catfishing Libby and it was her he expected to be there, as he walked with a purpose past that group of girls towards the Monon High Bride. Abby being there may have been a complete surprise to him? Just some thoughts

 

[Salah11]

It crossed my mind that maybe RA was involved with catfishing Libby and it was her he expected to be there, as he walked with a purpose past that group of girls towards the Monon High Bride. Abby being there may have been a complete surprise to him? Just some thoughts

Yes that’s also a valid point as well

 

[katydid23]

I’m sorry, but I don’t think that it can be emphasized enough that these conditions are nearly unheard of for a pre-trial detainee. The prison itself has a rule that an inmate cannot be held in segregation for more than 30 days.

I think the most important thing that isn’t being said enough - the posted “trustee” felons perched at his door with a pad and paper get TIME OFF THEIR SENTENCES IF THEY GET A CONFESSION OUT OF HIM. I want to scream that from the mountains. These inmates are benefiting from these confessions. IMO the one inmate (L) was released in exchange and the prosecutor and judge were like “whoa what??? No way!! Bring him back here!!”

The psychologist who oversaw his mental health treatment for the time period of these statements testified in detail today regarding her expert opinion of his psychological condition over that time period. She also testified in detail about the conditions that RA was subjected to and her concerns. I don’t understand how any human could hear these conditions and not be shocked, disgusted and horrified by them.

This information directly from the psychologist is incredibly important for anyone who wants to make an informed decision. We finally have expert testimony, so we don’t have to guess what his mental health state was during that time period.

I think one of my most notable moments from the psychologist testimony is that she gave RA a book to read because she thought it would help him. The book was written about a man who had survived a POW camp. That’s certainly interesting.

All MOO IMO just my opinion for the sake of discussion.

It is very hard for me to take her testimony seriously after learning about her background----working exclusively with pro-defence social media platforms, in order to help bolster her patient's abilities to be found Not Guilty eventually.

I'd prefer a non-biased mental health worker who was not there with preconceived notions about Justice Reform, etc, So it is hard for me to accept her description of his situation.

I will have to look more into the issue with trustees and their inmate duties. I don't know enough about it yet.

 

[katydid23]

I would assume if a box cutter was used, the pathologist would recognize this type of injury, and a box cutter would be included in the search warrant request for RL and RA. IMO

I'm not sure that there would be a quick recognition between a knife blade and a similar blade on a box cutter noted from the wounds. A pathologist can tell differences between straight edges and serrated edges, and can tell the size of blades, and estimate sharpness. But I am not sure they could tell if it was a boxcutter or a knife if both blades were same size and straight edged. IMO