sunshineray
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I cannot wait to hear about the testimony in court yesterday...in details.
I’m sorry, but I don’t think that it can be emphasized enough that these conditions are nearly unheard of for a pre-trial detainee. The prison itself has a rule that an inmate cannot be held in segregation for more than 30 days.
I think the most important thing that isn’t being said enough - the posted “trustee” felons perched at his door with a pad and paper get TIME OFF THEIR SENTENCES IF THEY GET A CONFESSION OUT OF HIM. I want to scream that from the mountains. These inmates are benefiting from these confessions. IMO the one inmate (L) was released in exchange and the prosecutor and judge were like “whoa what??? No way!! Bring him back here!!”
The psychologist who oversaw his mental health treatment for the time period of these statements testified in detail today regarding her expert opinion of his psychological condition over that time period. She also testified in detail about the conditions that RA was subjected to and her concerns. I don’t understand how any human could hear these conditions and not be shocked, disgusted and horrified by them.
This information directly from the psychologist is incredibly important for anyone who wants to make an informed decision. We finally have expert testimony, so we don’t have to guess what his mental health state was during that time period.
I think one of my most notable moments from the psychologist testimony is that she gave RA a book to read because she thought it would help him. The book was written about a man who had survived a POW camp. That’s certainly interesting.
All MOO IMO just my opinion for the sake of discussion.![]()
I don’t think that there are any die-hard innocence protestors here. I’m an “innocent before proven guilty” person and I expect to see actual real evidence of a person being guilty of a crime. (I admit I’m cynical with this case at this point. I don’t think blue jackets are compelling evidence)If the case gets to trial to hear from experts and see all the evidence, I do agree. I am a "innocent til proven guilty' supporter of the US criminal justice system. When it works lol
But I have to say that what I've seen so far, I'm not willing to die on the hill of RA's innocence. I'm truly baffled by those who are. We're not to trial yet and haven't seen most of the evidence IMO but so far... Yikes.
I'm certainly willing to keep an open mind but my arms don't stretch so far as some others' do.
I don’t think that there are any die-hard innocence protestors here. I’m an “innocent before proven guilty” person and I expect to see actual real evidence of a person being guilty of a crime. (I admit I’m cynical with this case at this point. I don’t think blue jackets are compelling evidence)
I also find the vast destruction of evidence and the dishonest demeanours of key players to be very concerning. On the other hand , we have FBI/law enforcement testifying in court yesterday and tomorrow that have their original field notes, their interview videos and none of that was destroyed once RA was arrested. So naturally I find those LE to be far credible than those involved in all the missing evidence.
The testimony today by the Dr gave way more information surrounding the “confessions” so we are able to make a far more informed decision regarding them.
I understand how someone could think “wow how does someone confess to a crime they didn’t do” but good lord, we have talked about that til we’re blue in the face. Some people don’t believe in false confessions or that solitary confinement is inhumane.
I don’t want my response to deter you from posting your opinion at all. I’m always open to any thoughtful discussions and opinions about what’s said in the court filings, the evidence, testimony , court stuff, asking questions etc.
All MOOi
It crossed my mind that maybe RA was involved with catfishing Libby and it was her he expected to be there, as he walked with a purpose past that group of girls towards the Monon High Bride. Abby being there may have been a complete surprise to him? Just some thoughtsSo he was coherent enough to realize he didn’t want his family hearing all the gruesome details at trail so he willingly confessed to protect them.
I find it more damning that he mentioned Abby and apologized for killing specificlly. Is it because Libby took the video and without that he likely gets away with the crime and there is some anger or is it more sinister and comes back to Libby looking like his daughter?!
It crossed my mind that maybe RA was involved with catfishing Libby and it was her he expected to be there, as he walked with a purpose past that group of girls towards the Monon High Bride. Abby being there may have been a complete surprise to him? Just some thoughts
It is very hard for me to take her testimony seriously after learning about her background----working exclusively with pro-defence social media platforms, in order to help bolster her patient's abilities to be found Not Guilty eventually.I’m sorry, but I don’t think that it can be emphasized enough that these conditions are nearly unheard of for a pre-trial detainee. The prison itself has a rule that an inmate cannot be held in segregation for more than 30 days.
I think the most important thing that isn’t being said enough - the posted “trustee” felons perched at his door with a pad and paper get TIME OFF THEIR SENTENCES IF THEY GET A CONFESSION OUT OF HIM. I want to scream that from the mountains. These inmates are benefiting from these confessions. IMO the one inmate (L) was released in exchange and the prosecutor and judge were like “whoa what??? No way!! Bring him back here!!”
The psychologist who oversaw his mental health treatment for the time period of these statements testified in detail today regarding her expert opinion of his psychological condition over that time period. She also testified in detail about the conditions that RA was subjected to and her concerns. I don’t understand how any human could hear these conditions and not be shocked, disgusted and horrified by them.
This information directly from the psychologist is incredibly important for anyone who wants to make an informed decision. We finally have expert testimony, so we don’t have to guess what his mental health state was during that time period.
I think one of my most notable moments from the psychologist testimony is that she gave RA a book to read because she thought it would help him. The book was written about a man who had survived a POW camp. That’s certainly interesting.
All MOO IMO just my opinion for the sake of discussion.![]()
I'm not sure that there would be a quick recognition between a knife blade and a similar blade on a box cutter noted from the wounds. A pathologist can tell differences between straight edges and serrated edges, and can tell the size of blades, and estimate sharpness. But I am not sure they could tell if it was a boxcutter or a knife if both blades were same size and straight edged. IMOI would assume if a box cutter was used, the pathologist would recognize this type of injury, and a box cutter would be included in the search warrant request for RL and RA. IMO
I have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re saying she worked with podcasters? Not even murder sheet is alleging that? MS stated there was a list of her favourite podcasts admitted into evidence and that somehow they knew the Murder Sheet was not on there. I did not hear any testimony regarding of her opinion on the case or her list any podcast she listened to. You’ll have to give me more info.It is very hard for me to take her testimony seriously after learning about her background----working exclusively with pro-defence social media platforms, in order to help bolster her patient's abilities to be found Not Guilty eventually.
I'd prefer a non-biased mental health worker who was not there with preconceived notions about Justice Reform, etc, So it is hard for me to accept her description of his situation.
I will have to look more into the issue with trustees and their inmate duties. I don't know enough about it yet.
Oh man, this is why I hate that we can’t watch the hearings ourselves and we’re forced to listen to these podcasters trying to create drama to sell their shows. No one else who was present has reported that story or claim. MOOCourtTV - Day 2 of the Hearings.
It was brought up today that RA confessed at one point that he shot the girls in the back - it seems he confessed all kinds of things at times.
What I want to know more than anything right now though is why did he turn around and glare at Libby's family without apparently losing that hold or stare whatsoever.
This was brought up by one guest on CourtTV who witnessed it firsthand as she was sitting near them so saw him doing it - she found it creepy.
I want to know if there is some kind of history there between the Germans and RA that we don't know about.
Agree, everyone will bring their own perspective to their report, it’s only human. And in fact I find myself cherry picking who I want to listen to. I would love to get the transcript - wonder if/when it will be available.Oh man, this is why I hate that we can’t watch the hearings ourselves and we’re forced to listen to these podcasters trying to create drama to sell their shows. No one else who was present has reported that story or claim. MOO
CourtTV - Day 2 of the Hearings.
It was brought up today that RA confessed at one point that he shot the girls in the back - it seems he confessed all kinds of things at times.
What I want to know more than anything right now though is why did he turn around and glare at Libby's family without apparently losing that hold or stare whatsoever.
This was brought up by one guest on CourtTV who witnessed it firsthand as she was sitting near them so saw him doing it - she found it creepy.
I want to know if there is some kind of history there between the Germans and RA that we don't know about.
Murder Sheet has also said they've witnessed RA doing what they would describe as "glaring" at various people in the courtroom. I haven't had a chance to listen to their Day 2 episode yet so not sure about this specific incident but they mentioned it in the Day 1 episode.Oh man, this is why I hate that we can’t watch the hearings ourselves and we’re forced to listen to these podcasters trying to create drama to sell their shows. No one else who was present has reported that story or claim. MOO